AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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But wasn’t her watch at home? My brain is mush.


Could've been placed back there later. Am not saying this is what I think happened, just answering the query.
 
  • #10,742
But wasn’t her watch at home? My brain is mush.
I wonder if the car went back to NG's house and the watch was dropped off there. Hence the ransom issuer knew where the watch was and included that detail in the ransom note.
 
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idk how to square the latest video from the siblings with LE now taking photos at AG's. it's as if two different realities are happening at once
Feeling like I'm watching a Hallmark movie. What for the next twist and turn in about 1/2 hour. WOW just WOW
 
  • #10,745
Doesn’t it look like a flashlight and the breaks are just because of the window panes? Unless its multiple flashes but they move from right to left
Yes, like waving a super, super bright large flashlight type thing across a wall maybe, but it is a large light moving across to me. IMO
 
  • #10,746
If she never left AG home, her watch did, and it was part of the staging at her home. So, it would disconnect from her pacemaker connection.
they took the watch off her and took it to her house.
 
  • #10,747
This is depressing. I had hoped it wasn't the SIL or someone connected with him. And maybe it isn't, but this isn't looking good.

I did wonder about one thing, though. If the ransom demand contains info about the location of the Apple watch -- and if that location is unusual and not right next to the bed, then those behind the ransom note must had have inside knowledge. If they didn't abduct NG themselves, they need info from someone who knows were the item was. Who would have that info? Law enforcement and...possibly... family members. (Anyone else?)

JMO
hackers inside the system of the PCSD or FBI... the same people with the skillset to send ransom demands routed through a million VPNs
 
  • #10,749
Or, the blood came from SIL himself, traces on himself, shoes, that he tracked back to the house from Nancy's house.
 
  • #10,750
Well Well Well…

Seems like something is finally happening.

I wondered if Nancy ever came home. That camera they removed may have finally put some pieces together.

Oh boy.

MOO
 
  • #10,751
This crime feels very third world-ish or mobster-ish. But, not very American-ish.
 
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I don't know much about the damage to AG's car, is there a photo of it? Is it the sort of damage that looks like a vehicular accident or lower damage that might come from say off-terrain driving?
 
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If there was any funny business with Nancy's phone or watch, law enforcement would know that almost right away. And if that happened, it would implicate the people whose house Is being searched right now.

Which means no ransom response videos.
 
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Could she have been harmed at AG’s house, and then never made it home? Meaning the scene at NG’s home was staged? This is all so sad. I hope AG had no involvement.
This is 100% what I have thought from the jump.

moo.
 
  • #10,755
I think it's very possible one person did the deed while another handled the distraction for that person.

She was bleeding before she was taken away. I would think the perp would have her blood in a vehicle.
 
  • #10,756
Is it possible the Apple Watch was removed elsewhere and taken to the house?
And then you’d need to find another explanation for the blood the front door. If she never returned home
 
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That blood could have been transferred there by someone. Not difficult at all to do, she wouldn't have needed to be present for her blood to be there

In the very recent trial of Brendan Banfield for murdering his wife Christine, blood expert was questioned at length regarding how blood can be moved and deposited to edit crime scene.

Just saying, again, am not stating it's my opinion this occurred.
 
  • #10,758
You know what, I feel like the answer to all this will be inside Annie Guthrie's house.
 
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Wasn't it the phone that disconnected from the pacemaker app rather than the watch? The watch was mentioned because a) it was one of the items found at the house by LE and b) the location of it was relevant to the ransom notes in some way?

Can apps like this be connected to the same account on more than one device at a time, I wonder? As in, can you have the app on say two iphones, both apps registered and connected to the same pacemaker?
Maybe both. But the point is, if she never made it home, the home was staged and she didn't move away from the phone and/or watch. They moved away from her and broke the connection with her pacemaker.
 
  • #10,760
I hope Savannah, her brother and Nancy's loved ones have some wonderful caring people wrapping their arms around them right now
 

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