AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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And that was the goal.
Yes the goal when staging a murder to look like a kidnapping, is to scatter the police every where looking for the kidnappers and the person being held for ransom.
 
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That is true but it was dark and had plenty of time, hours, maybe this certain set of fellows knows someone handy with ductwork, those guys can do it very fast. You wouldn't have to do whole thing just a portion. But I don't see any blood on roof so, hope not, hope she is still with us
They sometimes check ductwork for dna
 
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That’s what I’m thinking. Maybe LE put camera there after the abduction in case perp went back?? Fam would have known if there was a camera on roof and if they didn’t, they wouldn’t have missed that. They are retrieving one they placed there or the object is not a camera

Which explains removing the crime scene tape and turning the home back over to the family so soon.
 
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I would like to know how the family celebrated NG's birthday on 27th Jan. Was it a regular thing for her to Uber over to AG/TC's place for a family games night? Some idea of the dynamics would help, but I guess we won't know these yet.

I may be too naive, but it seems unfathomable to me that family would go to such lengths to conceal something? It would involve more than one person if anything occurred at AG/TC's house, and I cannot begin to imagine AG being on these video appeals whilst knowing what has gone on. It is truly an unbearable thought.

Why would the family be offering to pay, if the ransom notes are fake and the police are actually suspecting TC?
 
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Do you know if a camera can detect the passengers in a car via nighttime video? Would NG be actually seen in the car, or just the exterior of the car?
Video of the car moving from point A to point B would bolster the SIL's account, but not prove it unless NG can be seen in the car?
The type of cameras a car driving along a street would capture aren't sophisticated nighttime cameras. They're typically various surveillance cameras but their footage, when stitched together would create a narrative of the same car moving along a geographic area - and the police would want footage from other cars/houses in the area.

So if NG's son in law told police he'd taken her home - they definitely would know the route he said he'd taken and then triangulate that with other evidence supporting that his car drove where he said it had driven and the time he said it had driven.

But it's extremely unlikely that any digital proof they'd picked would include 'nighttime vision' into the car.
 
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It was immediately apparent this was a typo... peeps need to pay more attention!
You know, I haven't been as active last since Harmony Montgomery and Augustus's stories were hot. But where are the sharp, quick regulars? I get this case has moved fast, but some of the rando questions and lack of attention to this are honestly baffling. Haven't y'all been watching TV?? Put me in the secret chat room, please!😂🤣
 
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.If AG had any involvement and out of guilt has come clean about the person or persons also involved, this may explain the video plea earlier today as well as her noted reactions? Maybe that also explains “ the we understand” part of the plea?

Speculation here too, but I just cannot conceive that if Savannah and Camron knew for a FACT, that AG and /or her husband were responsible for this, that they would all sit together making a public response video to somebody “out there.”

Why would they not instead be dealing with AG/TC in private and with the FBI and sheriff’s office?

Why go through with what at that point would be a useless gimmick?

If the sister had confessed as speculated, then to whom is Savannah talking? And to what end? It would be a waste of time, when the operative agenda would be to find Nancy, whether alive or deceased.

I don’t know who did this heinous crime, but I don’t believe Savannah and Camron would waste time like this if they had already heard a confession from someone near and dear.

IMO
 
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I mean, I can’t say that sil is not involved-your guess is as good as mine as they say :-)
But blood spatter, pacemakers, phones, cars, watches, security cameras anywhere along the route. That it was known and logged that she was at their house that night (why not simply do it on a random night so there wouldn’t be an uber record directly to them).
I mean even in a movie I would be skeptical that an individual like sil could manage all this.
So IF he was involved (I am not convinced yet) it had to be at her house at the very least I would think.
Though I admit the back and forth to these houses and actually taking pictures now-I honestly am more clueless lol.
I don't want to think that the SIL (and maybe the bandmate and even AG) were involved. But let's imagine for a moment that some of them were. I don't think that would mean that NG never made it home.

She could've been dropped off, gone to bed, and then the SIL (or some associate) could have come to the house, abducted her (possibly drugging her in the process), and taken her out of the house. From there, he could've gone back to his own house and garage and killed her. Or he could've gone directly to a storage unit or other location and held her alive. Or he could've taken her to a remote location and killed her.

All of this is speculative. He is innocent until proven guilty.

JMO
 
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Do any blood spatter experts know if you’d be able to stage the blood? How? Syringe?
This scenario sounds very far-fetched. It’s an odd case, yes, but this would require the perps to jump through hoops in a very short period of time. It would be easier to just have her go missing than to stage something bloody. A bloody scene would send law enforcement into a tizzy. A disappearance would invite detectives but not insane media coverage.
 
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I would expect to see more there.
Yes, I agree- it seems relatively small scale for this stage. And leads to my next question about this current LE activity - why wait an entire 24 hours from the last time investigators were at the house? I’m sure there are a million reasonable answers. But seems strange they’ve returned again to this house (which, as far as I know, has NOT been a secured crime scene at any point, meaning any appropriate party - owner, family, etc - could enter/exit, clean, remove items, etc) but not until 24 hours after they were there last night for “5 minutes”.
 
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dbm
 
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Lifetime

Do you think they were all asked to go to hotels and not be there because they had a feeling SIL was the perp but didn't want public to catch on? Like make it look like the family left due to privacy but really they were told they believe the house was a 2nd crime scene.

I do. Something is off with the ransom and the SG video from today. It all feels very decoy to me.
 
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Normally we don't allow random TikTok accounts we will allow this TikTok video. Not all of their videos but this one is fine.
Oops-meant to say this is the blood spatter post by Tricia :-)
 
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Speculation here too, but I just cannot conceive that if Savannah and Camron knew for a fact that AG and /or her husband were responsible for this, that they would all sit together making a public response video to somebody “out there.”

Why would they not instead be dealing with AG/TC in private and with the FBI and sheriff’s office?

Why go through with what at that point would be a useless gimmick?

IMO
We know very little about the family dynamics.
 
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The tone and wording of Savannah Guthrie's plea today makes me think she's responding to a letter stating Nancy is no longer with us. I hope I'm wrong. It was notable she didn't choose to speak directly to her mother this time or mention her need for medication :/
 
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Yes and my question about this current LE activity - why wait an entire 24 hours from the last time investigators were at the house? I’m sure there are a million reasonable answers. But seems strange they’ve returned again to this house (which, as far as I know, has NOT been a secured crime scene at any point, meaning any appropriate party - owner, family, etc - could enter/exit, clean, remove items, etc) but not until 24 hours after they were there last night for “5 minutes”.
Warrant
 
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What if:

- there was a request for a loan by a host a small family gathering, and it was declined
-someone became enraged and another person was injured and died, and the hosts of the gathering try to think what to do
-one of the hosts takes the deceased’s Apple Watch and collects some blood and walks over to the deceased’s house and enters through the garage just before 10pm, backing victims car out of the garage
-that host stages the crime scene, watch and blood.
-that host drives back to his house in victim’s car and puts victim in that car then drives around to find a place to hide the body
-then that host drives back to his house
-the next morning when the hosts go to victims house they take their car and victims car. Enter home by the garage, parking the victims car back in garage before LE comes.

*LE tows victim’s car days later after a license plate reader indicated the car was being driven around that night.

And after that bedtime story/fairy tale, it’s off to dreamland for me! Goodnight, friends!
I think this theory is looking more and more like reality. Only small thing I’d change is that they drove their own car to NG’s house at 9 something pm, as walking between the two would take 1.5 hours.

I sincerely hope we’re wrong!
 

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