AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Jo in Calif]

Yes! It was a long time ago and I forgot the details. Hopefully someone can recall the exact case but it was a case in Florida.

Abraham Shakespeare, a Florida man who won a $30 million lottery jackpot in 2006

 

[tkcrockett]

I do not believe anyone has been able to answer your question..
Very early, we were trying to figure that out.
The only suggestion (as far as I can recall) was the child of AG and TC..


It would have been nice if they had taken pictures!!!!!

i get stuck on the luminol pictures part...if investigators used luminol to search for blood then took pictures ....wouldn't that mean they found blood? If nothing found, no need for pictures. Right??

 

[Ontario Mom]

Have we ever had actual perps sign up and come in and converse, of course not letting us know they are the perp. Do they ever sign up and come in asking questions like trying to use this place to help them hide things or escape, like with questions that gave them away?

Yes. How amateur web sleuths helped solve the case of missing lottery winner Abraham Shakespeare

 

[UK Girl]

But isn’t Bitcoin accessible anywhere?

Yes, Savannah covering the Olympics as usual would keep her busy, but obviously she’d have immediately gone to Tucson once this happened.

I just don’t believe she’d have had to be in America to send crypto. She just has to be here to search for her mother.

I respect all opinions. IMO though this tragedy has zero to do with co-workers wanting to oust Savannah from anchoring NBC’s Olympic coverage.

Craig Melvin and the rest are respected journalists who’ve made it to the top of a major American news show. I cannot fathom them extorting Savannah by kidnapping her mother. Besides that they are colleagues and friends, they have too much to lose.

And they also earn their own giant salaries, are also famous, and all have families with young children. IMO the cons definitely outweigh the pros.

But isn’t Bitcoin accessible anywhere?

Yes, Savannah covering the Olympics as usual would keep her busy, but obviously she’d have immediately gone to Tucson once this happened.

I just don’t believe she’d have had to be in America to send crypto. She just has to be here to search for her mother.

I respect all opinions. IMO though this tragedy has zero to do with co-workers wanting to oust Savannah from anchoring NBC’s Olympic coverage.

Craig Melvin and the rest are respected journalists who’ve made it to the top of a major American news show. I cannot fathom them extorting Savannah by kidnapping her mother. Besides that they are colleagues and friends, they have too much to lose.

And they also earn their own giant salaries, are also famous, and all have families with young children. IMO the cons definitely outweigh the pros.

JMO

My point was if they wanted to kidnap Savannah they would have done it from her own home. They would not have gone to her mothers in the middle of the night where she did not live to do it.

 

[Cebavl]

I seriously think that Pima County is keeping the podcasters/reporters/media busy with these searches so they can do their real work behind the scenes.

It seems like divide and conquer imo. Sheriff is checked out. FBI is in control, but leading in the background. Focusing on strategy, evidence testing/analysis, extracting data from technology, ransom investigation, etc.

FBI is then sending sheriff deputies out on location and as needed to collect more data/investigate. FBI is the mastermind, with Sheriff’s department as their minions.

I also think they’re still investigating multiple possible leads at this point, which is why if feels like we keep going back and forth between SIL and ransom kidnapper. Assuming they know more than we think, but not enough to rule anything or anyone out. Hoping, for everyone’s sake, they’re getting close.

JMO

 

[UK Girl]

I meant the entire Nancy Guthrie thread ...all 600+ pages. People are hung up on garage door vs front door. An 84 y. o. woman being out until 945 pm. Back in the day, the family of the missing person was off limits for discussion here as they were considered victims. To speculate about SG's net worth is cruel. Who is making the payment is cruel. To say it's not even a real kidnapping is cruel. Why not discuss clues? Timelines? People in her circle with police records? Where are the volunteers looking and handing out flyers? Something is very off with this case. Please consider the "who pays the ransom", and the worth of SG vs that of her sister and brother as gossipy. When a case starts to go cold, and this HAS, the conversation deteriorates. If the perp does read these comments, Please drop this lady off in a safe area. The family says they are willing to pay. Please let this family have their mom back. MOO

To be fair accusing people Savannah works with is also cruel just so they can cover the Olympics.

 

[Bodhi]

Both churches are Episcopal churches in the same diocese. It's not partith cularly unusual to choose another Episcopal church for a service. It is the church the daughter attends.

The vigil was at AG's church. Do you know for certain that Nancy attended an Episcopal church? There are 2 St Andrew's churches. A Presbyterian one closer to Nancy's house and an Episcopal one in the city. I've read here that Nancy attended the Presbyterian St Andrew's, but I don't recall the MSM source linked or how well-sourced it was. In any case, it doesn't seem odd to me that the vigil was held at her daughter's church. MOO.

 

[DanceCard]

Gannon Stauch step mom did

Abraham Shakespeare, a Florida man who won a $30 million lottery jackpot in 2006

Thank you!

 

[emigrate]

I'm also confused by DJT's statement earlier this week which implied there would be a major breakthrough pretty soon

So is he

 

[Napoli]

Honestly, this is frankly insane that there is no real update a week after an 84 year old woman goes missing. Either a very complex case and they are taking time, or they are completely incompetent.

BRAVO! THE VOICE OF REASON.

 

[txsleuth70]

Well, quite honestly, "I am in constant pain too** .... I do have to work around it...but that is what I/ we do....
There is nothing frail about me!! And I don't think there is with Nancy either.

**complex back surgery that went wrong....

Respectfully, an 84 year old woman who has been said cannot ambulate further than ETA: 50yds with a cane, and who has been said to need daily medication for survival would indeed be considered frail, in the plain sense of the word. She is on blood thinners and has bandages, bruises and wounds in several photos. Have you listened to her speaking in the cactus margarita scene with SG? There is an element of frailty there. And I don't mean that disrespectfully. Many 84 year olds would not be considered frail. I would consider my 93 year old grandmother frail and very comparable in the physical condition of NG.

 

[Elle*Bee]

Yes. Life isn’t always perfect little minutes and seconds.

I always think that if i was murdered or went missing, people would be totally stumped by timelines. I’m ADD and nothing i do makes sense
You should see me try to clean my house

For example, IF her phone was indeed in her car—

if it was me, there’d be a simple explanation—
i went to my car with my phone after being dropped off to get a seltzer water from a 12 pack that i still hadn’t taken out of my car from a Costco trip a week ago. When i was breaking the case open, i put my phone down and forgot to pick it back up. Once i was all comfy in bed, i realized i forgot my phone in my car and was too tired to go back out and get it.

Now, in reality, i would go and get my phone because i fall asleep playing zen word. But someone else all comfy might think meh I’ll get it on my way to church in the morning. I don’t need it.

Again this is if her phone really was in her car. No one has confirmed or denied this. They are being sketchy with the wording.

I can relate. I once lost my cell phone. The battery had died so I could call it. This was before they got fancy with Find My Phone and whatnot. It was found 6+ months later in the box of instant oatmeal packets. I apparently got excited by the cookies on a higher shelf and just tossed it down. Years later, it's still a running joke in my family. If I lose something, they ask if I checked the oatmeal box. ADHD, here.

 

[aafromaa]

Would depend on the charge he was detained on and whether it was a federal crime (the bitcoin/ransom/computer stuff is federal)

True but in many places a federal detainee would still be housed in a county jail - it would where I live - but I did also check bop.com (federal bureau of prisons) and found nothing there either.

 

[October]

But I don’t think its been established that she didn’t use a keypad to get into garage in which case she would only be standing there waiting for garage door to open them close it again after walking into garage. Am I misunderstanding somethg?

There's also the possibility that she had an app that could open it. With our garage door the kids all have the app and it will tell me times and who opened the door and how they opened it (app, keypad, wall button.) Often when they're dropped off they will open the garage door right before they pull in so they can walk right in.

 

[cady]

This is the one explanation that makes the most sense re: the time between opening and closing. We have a keypad on both of our garage doors and we use it all the time.

We tend to major in minors because we are so frustrated with having no real solid facts about just about everything in this case

 

[rosesfromangels]

Have we ever had actual perps sign up and come in and converse, of course not letting us know they are the perp. Do they ever sign up and come in asking questions like trying to use this place to help them hide things or escape, like with questions that gave them

Perps are known to show up for searches, attend memorials, and generally insert themselves in a case. It nourishes their memories of their crimes.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[SMK777]

First, to me, the goings on at AG’s house last night legitimizes the thoughts that SIL is a suspect. We don’t really know why but something early on caused LE to look at him and they still are.
Second, unless this is the biggest ruse ever by LE, there is someone actually communicating with the family about a ransom.
1 + 1 should equal 1 in this case, yet it seems like 1 + 1 equals 2 separate things right now.
I am so confused.

1. I absolutely have to agree with your first point.

2. As to your second point:

The 2 may be connected: SIL having some kind of friend or partner continue the ransom ruse which began at the start of an accidental killing ( perhaps during a threat from NG regarding some kind of fraud she was reporting to authorities?) as a coverup story and misdirection.

 

[Vegasgrl]

The search of AG's house really intrigues me. I can imagine a search at the start of the investigation, that makes total sense. But to return late at night a week later, and possibly be using Luminol (given reports about the dim lighting/photography) seems very strange. Could this be done as a matter of routine, just to rule out the local family members?

Was anyone else at the dinner besides TC and AG?

(Hi everyone. I have been a member of WS's various iterations since the very, very early days when the main focus was JonBenet, but haven't been around much in recent years. So grateful for all of your info and observations regarding this case. It's so tragic and yet fascinating.)

Maybe found blood in/on their car and went back to where car is usually parked. Or found unusual cleaning chemical, like bleach (not usually used to clean a car).

 

[BrittMontero]

i get stuck on the luminol pictures part...if investigators used luminol to search for blood then took pictures ....wouldn't that mean they found blood? If nothing found, no need for pictures. Right??

Does Luminol react to other things, like perhaps pet urine?

 

[Ellis' Mom]

Residential septage is not hazardous waste.

Untreated human waste is considered a biohazard.