AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[emigrate]

I wonder if you can even see attendees in the livestream (even just a name). Some streams hide this information for privacy reasons, meaning it's possible even the theory that someone in a live stream noticed she wasn't attending does not stack up.

Someone said you cannot see the names in the livestream and there is not chat area to say hello or fellowship

 

[MCB1151]

The Sheriff in the first Tuesday press conference when asked if he had talked to the people who reported her missing,
The Sheriff started to answer, "that's the family." But the reporter was still asking the question right when he answered that... so the reporter was asking, "have you talked to the people who reported her missing, the church people?" And then the Sheriff caught that part, so his answer was, "Oh, from the church as well. We're doing all kinds of interviews. Yes, I'm sure we have."

But... if you read it back, he's actually not specifically saying the sheriff's office DID in fact speak with anyone at the church. He said, "Yes, I'm sure we have" but in a way like well of course we would. But, it's possible there is some miscommunication here or why wouldn't he be have memory of this conversation.

THIS! THIS is what I remembered but didn't know where I had seen it. I remembered the quote "Yes, I'm sure we have" and that comment paired with that "call" being removed from the official timeline makes me think that there was no church person to identify and interview.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Weirder than weird. Not normal, IMO

Not really. “Kidnapping” was a common prank when I was a teen, (well orchestrated with parents in advance), to make a birthday teen go to breakfast in their pajamas. Silly, and all in good fun.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

 

[iluvmyelement]

But he could have just found their numbers and texted them? What is the connection with the search of AG's home? Sorry if I am being dense, this seems interesting but I am struggling to get the relevance, but it might just be because I need to sleep now...

see above a few pots - I explained it

 

[mikeshanty]

Someone said you cannot see the names in the livestream and there is not chat area to say hello or fellowship

Wow, so the church report might be nonsense too?

 

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[Vaderman]

What if the people who disappeared Nancy are different people than those seeking a ransom?

I think this is the likeliest outcomes. Crime one occurred at Nancy's house. Crime two are the opportunists manipulating the emotionally charged situation.

 

[maskedwoman]

I don’t mean this in the wrong way, but who was looking for Nancy being on a livestream church service. I understand that friends might look for each other in person, maybe to sit together or go to coffee after. Is it the same for virtual church?

And I wonder why Nancy wasn’t going to church in person. The fellowship and the feeling of togethership (especially during hymns) is something that many people especially enjoy. Did she miss it?

Was she avoiding anyone?

It doesn't necessarily have to mean she was avoiding someone or afraid of someone. A lot of older people lost critical muscle mass, etc., during Covid lockdowns. My sisters MIL actually had to go to rehab for it, and ended up in assisted living because she couldn't get back enough to live on her own again. She may have had the same thing happen to her. And after Covid, she just wasn't able to get back out for church services. Or, with her heart issues, maybe she was just concerned about getting sick.

 

[Kemug]

I can't imagine going thru this kind of week without my husband at my side. Haven't heard whether Camron is married (?) but I'm surprised SG's husband isnt there. Kids, school, work, I know, but come on - this is a traumatic life event for SG.

SG didn't seem to be around for a couple of days, she may have flown home to her own family then.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I could see this being like a Kohberger or Tepe murders situation, where LE is aware of a suspect and keeping it close to their chest to not alert them ... but this situation is different because it's a medically fragile 84 y/o woman, who may still be alive, and each day that passes makes the situation seem more grim.

"Building a case and taking their time" just seems so much more dire when the victim could still be alive. I just hope they know more than they're letting on, and I hope there's a chance she's still alive.

Agree with the similarities to the Kohberger and Tepe murders where LE had a suspect but kept it close to their chest as to not alert the suspect.

LE may know that NG is dead, and they are building their case, following procedures in gathering evidence and being careful to have rock-solid evidence so the jury will convict.

 

[iluvmyelement]

Oh right. But if it was a fake ransom hoax, why would they suspect AG and TC?

It may be unrelated - but there are enough data points that they might be connected in some way. (e.g. texting both AG and TC but not SG and the verbiage of the text was not a ransom - the exact verbiage is in the court records. This individual is also in a band in the same genre of TC) So now the detectives are trying to put the pieces together - and the "fake ransom hoax" part is just a way of detectives not trying to show their cards - but it's part of the puzzle they are putting together. Again - all speculation at this point.

 

[emigrate]

ebm

 

[MommaV]

I wonder if you can even see attendees in the livestream (even just a name). Some streams hide this information for privacy reasons, meaning it's possible even the theory that someone in a live stream noticed she wasn't attending does not stack up.

I would hope this information would not be made available publicly. Church may keep a record for whatever reason, but I doubt if you ask or request to verify someone’s attendance, unless legally obligated, they’d tell you sure, here you go!

 

[emigrate]

Not really. “Kidnapping” was a common prank when I was a teen, (well orchestrated with parents in advance), to make a birthday teen go to breakfast in their pajamas. Silly, and all in good fun.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

Sororities did it all the time, kidnapping new members

 

[GailAnne]

Churches keep track of attendance (both in-person and virtual) so NG's attendance habits could be verified by LE via the church, if they desire that information.

Sunday school ususally has a list of those who belong and attend the class but "big" church would not. There is no way for the church to know who comes into the worship service that I'm aware of.

 

[mikeshanty]

It may be unrelated - but there are enough data points that they might be connected in some way. (e.g. texting both AG and TC but not SG and the verbiage of the text was not a ransom - the exact verbiage is in the court records. This individual is also in a band in the same genre of TC) So now the detectives are trying to put the pieces together - and the "fake ransom hoax" part is just a way of detectives not trying to show their cards - but it's part of the puzzle they are putting together. Again - all speculation at this point.

Oh I see now. Yes, that's the part I didn't understand as I thought it had been ruled a hoax and not implicating AG or SIL in any way.

 

[turaj]

Same reason a homicide team showed up to a “missing person” call. IMO

IIRC they called off the search. Were there K-9 units tracking Nancy’s scent? An organized volunteer search? Did officers fan out from the last place she was seen and perform a grid search?

I think there was undeniable evidence of violence in that house and LE knew it was very unlikely that NG was going to be alive for long, if at all.MOO

I think that is correct. Right from the start the Sheriff was tallking...alot. He made it crystal clear it was a homicide.

 

[mikeshanty]

Sorry I thought you were confused by my terminology not the post I responded to, the snipping of posts is kind of weird, just the way it is. I took it to mean the person is not fake now and is in on it with the SIL, does that sound right? It is confusing. So if the person that texted SIL and AG asking when the bitcoin would be deposited I took it as it being fake but now some are saying it was a real cohort asking when they all were getting paid? Or no? Someone please help this is confusing

No no that clears it up! Thank you! So potentially multiple individuals involved. But was the "hoaxer" charged with anything beyond malicious communications?

 

[emigrate]

Wow, so the church report might be nonsense too?

I have thought that from the beginning, I called nonsense on that one and all it does mess up the real timeline

 

[txsleuth70]

Interesting conversation happening live on youtube... they said that the guy who was arrested for the "false" ransom had texted BOTH AG and TC and asked when the bitcoin was going to be deposited (or something to that effect) which implied that they were working together. This was around the 7:35-7:40pm AZ time mark. They also think this is what prompted LE to go back to AG's house to gather more evidence.

When his arrest was announced it was also said he had emailed them and there was a 9 second phone call to AG phone. This now makes sense.