AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[tkcrockett]

Did they say no forced entry or all the doors were locked when the family arrived? Who said the doors were locked? Why would any abductor lock doors? Totally nutty. JMO

you are correct. they may well have been unlocked.

 

[Frig]

Her pacemaker didn’t disconnect until 2

That only means pacemaker and phone were separated, correct? If so maybe phone was dropped off at house around 2am?

 

[DS2021]

but apparently there was sputum in the blood.

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Yesterday on her podcast, The Nerve, Maureen Callahan was discussing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance with Ashleigh Banfield.

Maureen said she read that the blood drops on the porch had been tested and the blood came from Nancy. Also that there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose (as opposed to a cut on her arm, say).

I personally would not take that as fact, but people can put as much weight into it as they'd like. As far as I know that's not something confirmed by law enforcement

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Somebody upthread posted a link to a ex-FBI or LE person with expertise with blood and sputum, and that person spoke confidently about some of the blood being sputum. There was a discussion last night on this forum with the link, too.

Another poster posted recently that there is somewhere on this website where we can put a word or words such as "Sputum" and look at posts mentioning that word.

There's a magnifying glass that is the usual search icon we see on other websites and it's on the top far right. I typed in "sputum" and that I would like to search for it on this website and all of the times that "sputum" is mentioned in NG's thread is then shown for us to read. Very helpful feature.

If we all used it when we have specific questions of whether something has been discussed such as posters' explanations of how pacemakers work, we could cut down on the multiple post that many of us make in trying to better understand what was previously said. While most of you probably knew how to do this, I was glad to use it and it was quite helpful for me and may be helpful for many of us.

 

[NoseyRecluse]

Either AG is lying about somebody calling from church, which could be verified in a matter of minutes, or there's something fishy about the church caller.

Purportedly, they called at 11 which would mean NG was expected at the earlier service. The second morning service started at 11 I think. Why would somebody from church lie?

How do you call a family member and say, "Your mom wasn't on the Zoom call for the service this morning"? That just seems odd to me. It's not as if it were a board meeting and she was the CEO of the company.

ETA: clarity

 

[tlcya]

I personally would not take that as fact, but people can put as much weight into it as they'd like. As far as I know that's not something confirmed by law enforcement

agree, should be taken with loads of salt JMO

 

[tkcrockett]

Trying out this theory: NG arrives home and gets notification of a delivery. Yes, I know it's late but it's also around her birthday so maybe it seemed plausible to her. She opens the front door to retreive what she thinks is a gift/flowers, and is hit on the head.

Probably not likely but I'm trying to make sense of the front stoop scene.

jmo

sputum in the blood

 

[shadowsc]

I think it's telling that there were no statements directly toward their mother in the newest video. I know it's all carefully scripted, but the lack of messages of love and support really stood out to me, as if they already know she's no longer able to hear anything.

This is a really good point. The previous family video spoke directly to Nancy. This one spoke only to the supposed abductor, about Nancy, not to her, which does seem significant.

 

[LAborn]

No, I don't think anyone knocked. I get package notifications without the delivery person ever knocking. At least where I live, deliveries are left at the door and I get a photo of the package. Then I open the door.

It's just an idea to make sense of the blood in that spot.

jmo

So you think it was a delivery driver? Or the kidnapper was hanging around outside waiting for a package to arrive and hope NG opened the door?

 

[RayVon]

I think there is a strong possibility that you are right. She was in fragile health to begin with.

Amateur opinion and speculation only

I think she was carried out of home because there were droplets, not trail of blood or footprints.

 

[osu]

JMO
They are stretching out when the ransom payment will be paid( maybe never). LE believe NG is no longer alive, no rush to pay, and ransom may be a scam.
Looking for NG body in septic tank. Other nearby hiding spots( grid search)

Have they changed the deadline? The last I read it was still at 5pm today.

JMO

 

[Trish51]

Yes the apple watch, keys and wallet were shown on a nightstand. If i remember correctly the front door was left unlocked and the back door was left wide open

Shown or found? I don’t remember seeing any pictures of the crime scene. Can you share the link for that?

Regarding the blood, if I remember correctly, it has never been stated that the blood drops/splatter happened that night. She easily could have gotten a bloody nose earlier in the day, like when checking for the mail or waiting for the Uber (which that could be verified). Also, keep in mind, a bloody nose could look like a massacre just happened or it can just happened.

 

[tkcrockett]

Was there sputum in it?I don’t think it was a spray,just droplets as if falling straight down.A bloody ,dripping nose would do this.I don’t think she stood there for long.Hit and carried or pulled inside as she was starting to re-enter.

zoom in on the picture you posted. some spray over to one side (I am no expert. Just looks different from other drops)

 

[Wsimm]

Just thinking if she was up (bathroom), heard a noise a the door - no knock - she may have opened it.

NG has been described as sharp as a tack. There’s no way I see NG opening that door after 10pm unless she absolutely knew who was on the other side.

 

[missy1974]

Just now, I took a photo of a televised CNN story on the Guthrie disappearance: This is my photo.

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Please note that there is no mention of the “11:00 am phone call from church member”

This is in the criminal complaint filed against fake hoaxer, filed on Thursday Feb 5th

https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/media/1426976/dl?inline

 

[Inthedetails]

My theory is the blood drops aren't from that night, and the perps entered via the garage or other door entrance through keypad. I've thought all along it was someone who was linked to NG via contract work such as housecleaner, handyman, etc.

I would go along with that except I find it really hard to believe NG wouldn't clean up blood from her front step, if it happened previously. She has a beautiful home and is a well-put-together woman. Most people would clean up bodily fluid outside their front door, imo. It's unsightly, at minimum.

Unless it happened as she was being picked up by Uber that night and it was just an "oops" injury that is coincidental to the crime. (I don't think so, but we don't know.)

Wish we knew what the Uber driver said about the ride and what door she emerged from.

Now that I think about it, do we know she Uber'd from her home or was she elsewhere??

jmo

 

[tkcrockett]

Where did you hear this? Do you have a link?

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I agree they appear to be passive blood drops as she stood at the front door area bleeding. There is what appears to me to be a projected/impact spatter to the right of the mat - meaning a force coming in to contact with an already actively bleeding source. Although, it is possible that it could be aspirated blood from a couch or sneeze while actively bleeding. Hopefully LE tested that area to determine if there was air/mucus mixed in with the blood. Poor Nancy.

Yesterday on her podcast, The Nerve, Maureen Callahan was discussing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance with Ashleigh Banfield.

Maureen said she read that the blood drops on the porch had been tested and the blood came from Nancy. Also that there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose (as opposed to a cut on her arm, say).

 

[tkcrockett]

Also, it might be the bleeding is more profuse due to medication she takes. I am just offering my opinion here based on past experience with elderly relatives and, more recently, with my husband: he nicked his finger while doing dishes and it looked like a crime scene. When we washed his hand, it was the slightest of cuts...I sent him to the doctor to follow-up; he needed a supplement to help with that.

It happens, but I am sure the CSI would have identified the age of the blood stains (and who wouldn't clean it up ASAP?) and possibly if it was due to a puncture or a slower bleed.

Opinions, all opinions.

but apparently there was sputum in the blood

 

[SaraSmile]

Just throwing this out there, maybe someone else was tipped off to go to N’s house when she was at AG’s to remove the cameras/damage floodlights etc. Then they meet there later to remove her from her house? I know a camera detected movement outside around 1:40am approximately, so that would mean another camera still was activated (not removed). What would be the reason to search the sewer tanks yesterday? When they searched the septic tank a day or so before that? Why wait and not check it out at the same time? I don’t know if this means anything or not? They brought the K9 back over the weekend, they must have a reason why they wanted to check out. Did they take the K9 to the backyard and inside the garage/house?

JMO
I think a deputy said they were checking sewer water flow to see what direction water was flowing. Maybe to find a body as it floats down the channel, corners, where to look next?

 

[soap mama]

Have they changed the deadline? The last I read it was still at 5pm today.

JMO

I have not seen any info that has changed in hat deadline. I am a nervous wreck. I wonder if the family has already paid since they have the bitcoin address.