AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[K9Enzo]

I think it's possible the real bad guy(s) who harmed NG did not (at all) anticipate the ransom extortion demands. On a much smaller scale this happens to families of missing people that got a little bit of news coverage. It's horrible. Perhaps at first it was somewhat of a relief, but now, it's got insane attention and naturally brought in investigators that they probably never even knew existed within the federal government looking at this. This case is first absolutely tragic, second, IMO, very interesting.

IMO

 

[Athos65]

Trying out this theory: NG arrives home and gets notification of a delivery. Yes, I know it's late but it's also around her birthday so maybe it seemed plausible to her. She opens the front door to retreive what she thinks is a gift/flowers, and is hit on the head.

Probably not likely but I'm trying to make sense of the front stoop scene.

jmo

If I am not mistaken, on the first video of the front porch, where the blood is visible, there is a small Amazon pouch tucked into the corner across from the door on the right side.

My recall might be faulty. Our cameras point at the person who comes to the door, and at their back so we can see if packages have been left where we've designated for drop off.

Opinions with a smattering of "is this fact? Please verify?"

 

[DS2021]

but apparently there was sputum in the blood

Please note that this is coming from an unofficial source so people don't keep repeating it as fact.

 

[soap mama]

NG has been described as sharp as a tack. There’s no way I see NG opening that door after 10pm unless she absolutely knew who was on the other side.

I have wondered if someone did fake AI voices of family members?

 

[ms-t]

Statistically, I just think it is a lot more likely that Nancy was either deliberately or accidentally killed by someone she knew rather than dying after being kidnapped by strangers. I also believe that the ransom plot bloomed out of her death, because they were desperate to send the investigation off looking for strangers and not at them. The ransom letter came much later than the experts think it should have, and I think that's the reason.

Who is them? Hopefully, we are going to find out sooner rather than later.

I agree completely. I believe that Nancy was killed (possibly accidentally) by someone she knew and I think the ransom note was sent to distract. It sounds like there are details in the ransom note that would only be known to someone who knew Nancy and her house.

I hope and pray there is an answer soon and peace for the family.

 

[LAborn]

I would go along with that except I find it really hard to believe NG wouldn't clean up blood from her front step, if it happened previously. She has a beautiful home and is a well-put-together woman. Most people would clean up bodily fluid outside their front door, imo. It's unsightly, at minimum.

Unless it happened as she was being picked up by Uber that night and it was just an "oops" injury that is coincidental to the crime. (I don't think so, but we don't know.)

Wish we knew what the Uber driver said about the ride and what door she emerged from.

Now that I think about it, do we know she Uber'd from her home or was she eslewhere??

jmo

She was on blood thinners so she might be accustomed to getting bumped and bleeding on the regular. She's old. I'm a lot younger and wouldn't bother to clean up something outside. Pretty sure she has help to tend the house, yard, pool. If it happened at night, she might hose it off in the daylight, but by then she was gone.

I'm assuming she Ubered from her house, but don't have proof.

 

[CSIDreamer]

This combined with no footprints in the blood. How?

Have we seen confirmation about the bar visit or is this rumor?

I'm not sure it even qualifies as rumor. In early pages someone was thinking out loud regarding IF TC was out of the house alone, he could say going to the bar. I think the intent was missed when someone read it. JMI

 

[Moonstrawbs]

I would go along with that except I find it really hard to believe NG wouldn't clean up blood from her front step, if it happened previously. She has a beautiful home and is a well-put-together woman. Most people would clean up bodily fluid outside their front door, imo. It's unsightly, at minimum.

Unless it happened as she was being picked up by Uber that night and it was just an "oops" injury that is coincidental to the crime. (I don't think so, but we don't know.)

Wish we knew what the Uber driver said about the ride and what door she emerged from.

Now that I think about it, do we know she Uber'd from her home or was she eslewhere??

jmo

This was my point, too. It just doesn't align with the standard of how the house was kept and what appears to be NG's lifestyle. I just don't believe the blood was from a previous incident. Jmo.

 

[Sadi]

There isn't one.

The thread got shut down a few times yesterday.

REALLY important to put IMO/JMO/MOO if it's an opinion and not something that can be backed up with a link. This thread has been fast moving and the amount of unneccessary posts has made it hard on mods to clean up.

Of course.. the above is JMO

I only brought it up because I read about it yesterday and don’t remember seeing it mentioned before, but wanted to know if it was true. Please disregard my previous post about it.

 

[Frig]

This is in the criminal complaint filed against fake hoaxer, filed on Thursday Feb 5th
View attachment 642933

https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/media/1426976/dl?inline

Maybe just technically incorrect sloppy writing? It should probably say "the victim's family said a friend of N.G. contacted them on the morning of Feburary 1st to say..."

 

[jillybean51]

zoom in on the picture you posted. some spray over to one side (I am no expert. Just looks different from other drops)

Actually when zoomed in I think I see 2 more drops on the brick, one towards the corner above the base , the other higher up above the first drop?

 

[Starkville]

do we have a source for that? Not saying there isn't one, but I don't recall it.

I’m the one who posted about that. It’s not a verified fact.

Maureen Callahan mentioned it in her podcast *The Nerve*, talking to AB. She said that she had read that tests confirmed that the blood on the porch was NG’s, and that it contained sputum, as if it had come from a mouth or nose, as opposed from a cut on an arm, for example. This is not confirmed by any MSM source. I just mentioned it because no one else was talking about the blood on the porch, at that point.

 

[tkcrockett]

Somebody upthread posted a link to a ex-FBI or LE person with expertise with blood and sputum, and that person spoke confidently about some of the blood being sputum. There was a discussion last night on this forum with the link, too.

Another poster posted recently that there is somewhere on this website where we can put a word or words such as "Sputum" and look at posts mentioning that word.

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I agree they appear to be passive blood drops as she stood at the front door area bleeding. There is what appears to me to be a projected/impact spatter to the right of the mat - meaning a force coming in to contact with an already actively bleeding source. Although, it is possible that it could be aspirated blood from a couch or sneeze while actively bleeding. Hopefully LE tested that area to determine if there was air/mucus mixed in with the blood. Poor Nancy.

Yesterday on her podcast, The Nerve, Maureen Callahan was discussing Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance with Ashleigh Banfield.

Maureen said she read that the blood drops on the porch had been tested and the blood came from Nancy. Also that there was sputum mixed with it, that suggested it had come from her mouth or nose (as opposed to a cut on her arm, say).

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Were Nancy’s clothes found at home where they should be? Were her nightclothes also found or was she apparently wearing the nightclothes?

 

[Inthedetails]

tossing this out there:

What if she didn't uber from home but from another location? Does that change anything we're thinking?

Might explain why family didn't pick her up at home?

jmo

 

[jillybean51]

NG has been described as sharp as a tack. There’s no way I see NG opening that door after 10pm unless she absolutely knew who was on the other side.

Unless someone was banging on the door saying “ Nancy it’s ……,open the door !!!”

 

[SaraSmile]

I still am not sure the blood is connected. As I mentioned earlier, there was no indication that it was processed as evidence-so maybe it’s not related? I mean they had to test it to find out it was NGs but it seemed pretty accessible to people taking the pictures. Also—I didn’t see blood smear/footprints that might have been expected if it was a forced removal of ng. I still wonder if she went to investigate the ring camera (eg if she received notice someone was at her door) though.

JMO
The porch blood was ok as a clue, but it did not look life threatening so could have been from abduction, or a completely different time.
Did LE ever say there was a lot of blood found inside? Enough blood for loss of life( even if cleaned they could find it).

 

[wibbleflea]

How do you call a family member and say, "Your mom wasn't on the Zoom call for the service this morning"? That just seems odd to me. It's not as if it were a board meeting and she was the CEO of the company.

ETA: clarity

The person who called the family could have called or texted NG, having first noted her absence, and had no reply. That might have been unusual for NG – both the absence and the silence.

The family could also have called NG. The person from church could have been a friend who didn’t want to become public in this investigation.

It’s all speculation but since the FBI complaint against the hoaxer mentions the phone call, we can be reasonably sure that details of the call were verified.

 

[Athos65]

Another random thought that occurred to me as I was washing dishes, and should absolutely be taken as an opinion:

It is possible to drive up to a house, open the garage, wait long enough to make it a reasonable task, and then close. We have, in the past, left the house, remembered something as we drove up to the corner, turned around, opened the garage, quickly grabbed whatever it is we forgot (usually the baskets for sorting groceries in the back of the car), and then closed and off we go again.

It's a theory: you can say "I dropped her off" and just driven by, stopped, opened the garage, waited a moment, and then driven off...

Opinion 100%

 

[danablue1]

Shown or found? I don’t remember seeing any pictures of the crime scene. Can you share the link for that?

Regarding the blood, if I remember correctly, it has never been stated that the blood drops/splatter happened that night. She easily could have gotten a bloody nose earlier in the day, like when checking for the mail or waiting for the Uber (which that could be verified). Also, keep in mind, a bloody nose could look like a massacre just happened or it can just happened.

I will try and find it. I saw it early in the investigation the day of