AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Sadi]

I meant if Nancy's church friend showed up at Nancy's house to check on her when she noticed her missing from church but Nancy's family was already at her house but hadn't contacted LE.

I am just giving a hypothetical since the thread was discussing why LE left the church friend's contact time off of the timeline and the DC complaint.

In this scenario it would be a "contact" or "notification" by the church friend not a "call".

What you reference is a possibility too because if the contact by the church friend was indeed a "call" LE might be able to tell by cell phone gps/data that the family should have already known about Nancy missing if their data was already placing them at her home prior to contacting LE.

Great question!

 

[Van Helsing]

With all respect, we are not law enforcement, judges, prosecutors, or jury members. In a discussion, it's welcome, imo, to share personal opinions and experiences. Maybe some ideas are off-mark, but maybe some are insightful.

Brainstorming and thinking together can be messy or cloudy sometimes. It's okay.

jmo

Some people are letting their own biases cloud their judgment. Not a good trait

Projecting of one's own biases onto others' comments is also not a good trait. It's probably best not to try to read other peoples minds.

 

[SRWCF]

If the deadline comes and goes, which I am assuming is 8pm EST (5pm their time), and with no disposition that includes the return or imminent return of NG, then time to roll up our sleeves and focus primarily on the murder theories.

I was hopeful the FBI director's announced visit to Tucson was not pre-planned as he insisted, but every hour that goes by without any new information is another hour towards confirming that.

JMO.

That's 7pm EST. Arizona is on MST and the East Coast is only 2 hours ahead.

 

[Fargo]

This is all just MHO- The problem is that your ISP (Spectrum, Charter, Xfinity, Starlink, hughesnet or whoever you use for the onramp) always knows when you're using the TOR and records the traffic. The ISP knows who and when, just not what or why. If the sender was in the US, the FBI will find out who sent it eventually.

The kidnappers would be wise not to communicate any further, because every time they do they are creating another fingerprint that can be used to pull their identifying information out of the billions of packets sent.

Yes, but LE has to work backwards to get to that and I suspect that's exactly what's taking them so long. If they're starting from TMZ's server and working backwards for the IP of the original sender they're going to need a lot of warrants in a lot of countries to track IPs from node to node.

If they have a suspect starting point then yes, a warrant to that suspect's ISP will show an initial request to TOR but nothing after that. The ISP has no means to track through the nodes as the query travels world-wide. It's kind of the whole point of TOR nodes.

Having said that it would definitely be a red flag if someone under investigation was using TOR browser at the time the ransom note was received.

My opinion only.

 

[BrittMontero]

Retired FBI special agent on Hidden Killers says, "Culprit someone who had access to Nancy's house in the last 6 months or year at the longest. Not a family member." He completely dispelled the notion it was AG or SIL. He thinks it was a home invasion gone wrong. And they are likely examining all the people who may have been contracted for work, and all their contacts. Then see about home invasions in that area.

I could kind of buy this - maybe it’s a massive coincidence that NG has a famous, wealthy daughter…

But how could a home invasion of an elderly woman “go wrongl”?? It’s not as though she’s likely to fight back. Tie her up, steal the valuables, leave quickly.

Even if she had a heart attack from fright, why would thieves burden themselves with a dying person? They would just leave.

 

[Ellis' Mom]

I am sorry @Ellis' Mom slow to respond. The thread is moving so fast I missed your post. I apologize my link did not post page 2 of the complaint. This the missing page 2.View attachment 642967

No worries! Thank you!

 

[Sadi]

"Guthrie family may have gotten ‘proof of life’: Mark Geragos "

But then why hasn’t the family already pay this if they have received proof of life? It doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[birdbox]

Agreed, but there needs to be some more sensible judgment. A burst water pipe, as an example, clearly has nothing whatsoever to do with the investigation.

Hmmmm. Not so sure. If they are indeed having multiple water line, pressure issues, septic, backup ,etc could it point to something discarded in the toilet causing an issue? I am a no stone unturned kinda gal. And a nothing is necessarily random in a crime scene kinda gal. Just me.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Church usually begins at 11:00 am. The friend didn't wait very long to contact NG's family.

Pretty sure they also have a 9 a.m. service. JMO

 

[KonaHonu]

Cartels being on this would be very far outside the norm, I think it's unlikely. Doesn't fit their usual targets for kidnapping. JMO.

No, not the usual targets. But their targets are anyone they can get money for.

I don't think cartels are the most likely perpetrators but I am firmly behind a kidnapping for ransom as opposed to a family member.

 

[shonyakay]

The Sheriff originally said that, yes.
But I don't believe that call was ever received.
STRICTLY MY OWN SPECULATION!

What do you make of the FBI basically confirming the contact in DC's complaint?

 

[esp123]

I feel like the only way this could work with the given timeline is if Nancy was supposed to attend the 9:00 service, which would have concluded around 10:00 or so. The notification could have occurred between 10 and 11ish, perhaps even after the parishioner got home. I can't imagine that someone would contact NG's family in the middle of the service. If so, that seems weird to me. I know she's elderly, but you'd think the friend would just figure she slept in or changed her mind. He/she might call NG after the service was over to check on her. If she didn't answer or it went to straight to voicemail, that might be cause to notify the family. This scenario doesn't work with the 10:45 am service because the family was already at her house a little before noon (unless the parishioner actually notified her family during the service, which is bizarre imo. She could have just been a little late and don't people generally put their phones away during a service?).

This makes sense to me. I know that at the churches I’ve gone to, the early service skews older and is sometimes more traditional in terms of hymns etc, and usually has a smaller attendance where someone missing would stand out because it’s kind of a core group of participants whether in person or online. Church ends at 10-ish, people chat after service, friend calls when they get home, tries calling or texting NG a couple of times without an answer, now it is 11:15 or so, they call family to check in (which is where that initial “around 11 am” timeframe for family to check from the first press conference could come in - it was conflating two events), and then family tries calling or texting around 11:15 and then goes over when they don’t get a response either. If they left around 11:40-11:45 that would put them at her house a little before noon.

 

[desert-blue]

Am I missing something? That document says "contacted," not "called."

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"had not attended church that morning" would imply that notification was AFTER the services, not during. Otherwise the notification would be more like, NG hasn't shown up for church yet, is she okay?

 

[Bodhi]

Link showing call.

https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/tv/197970/fox-news-savannah-guthrie-mother

I'm not sure if you are aware that Fox News is not a credible source, so I want to let you know. The Express is not independently reporting. It's simply reporting what aired on Fox News with no value added. That may violate TOS and be removed. I'm sure we all appreciate the work WS moderators do to keep discussions on track and don't want to see this very hot thread closed for cleanup.

 

[arielilane]

@CStewartNews


An interesting part of this is that the account set up to receive the alleged ransom payment of Bitcoin is visible.

1:34 PM · Feb 9, 2026

https://twitter.com/x/status/2020913363794936130

 

[submarine7]

Pretty sure they also have a 9 a.m. service. JMO

They do

 

[CSIDreamer]

I believe this is what people are talking about. The family was contacted by a friend when Ms Guthrie was missed at church that morning. https://www.justice.gov/usao-az/media/1426976/dl?inline

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And we've went from "friend" to "church lady". JMO

 

[SlimPickens]

That's 7pm EST. Arizona is on MST and the East Coast is only 2 hours ahead.

Thank you for clarifying that! Very important!

JMO.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

The cartel angle has never made any sense to me. Why would a cartel that brings in $100s of millions to billions selling drugs travel to the USA to kidnap/disappear a random grandmother for a $million or even $6 million? It makes no sense. Plus, let's say it was the cartel. Those guys are criminal pro's. They would be in and out of that house in 5 minutes. They wouldn't stick around for 40 minutes or whatever it was. On top of that, let's say the cartel did it and got caught. Trump has already declared the cartels a terrorist organization and he is going to eliminate them. Why give POTUS one more reason to go after them? They aren't idiots.

What does make sense is the SIL. He was with her that night. Dropped her off. I think there is a strong possibility he discussed $$$ with her. She said no to his request. He dropped her off. Stewed about it for a few hours. Maybe had some drinks. Went back to her place to try and change her mind and things got out of control. Or he could even have went back to her place later on to end her so that he and his wife would get their share of the inheritance. To me that makes the most sense to me, and the simplest explanation.

The ransom is either him trying to buy time and give a fake narrative of what happened, or just some idiots who are trying to take advantage of the situation.

Agree about the cartels.

How do you think the SIL, especially after some drinks as you say, be able to cover his tracks well enough that LE hasn't already nailed him? How would he explain his whereabouts to his wife? Or if she participated, how has she not cratered under LE scrutiny? (She doesn't seem capable IMO just by her demeanor in the 2 vids we've seen.)

Agree the ransom possibly just opportunists.

 

[birdbox]

Church usually begins at 11:00 am. The friend didn't wait very long to contact NG's family.

Hmmmm. Also I read that AG attendance church elsewhere. If be interested to know if she went. The timeline on reporting someone missing from church seems like it would be around 1pm at the earliest. Its just odd to me personally..knowing how church services routinely run from 11am to 12:15ish pm.