AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[m00c0w]

Those are different things. A consent search is when the occupant voluntarily agrees to a search of their property. A judicial search warrant is court-authorization for law enforcement officers to search the private property specified for the evidence specified. It establishes the parameters of the search and documents the findings. It helps protect the legal rights of the occupant. It helps ensure the admissibility of any evidence collected in future prosecution.

Eh. The thing with a search warrant is you have to have probable cause to get one. It’s one thing if the house the crime was committed in was the same one the suspect lived at - you have probable cause for days to secure a warrant in that case. Wanting to search a family member’s house for thoroughness does not meet the threshold. They have to use consent searches initially, unless they have specific reason to believe there is a likely chance they’ll find evidence of the crime at that location.

Consent to searches hold up in court just fine. Is it better to have a warrant? Sure. Is a consent search better than no search? Also yes.

JMO

 

[twall]

Do you happen to know if she confirmed her original "leak" about SIL being prime suspect? Or changed/added anything as from her LE source? I'm probably not going to listen to it, lol

No sorry, I did not listen.

 

[SRWCF]

Whatever your thoughts are on her, do we know why AB has been mum for days? Someone said she was gagged but that was unconfirmed. I wonder if she's chosen to remain silent, or been gagged, or her source was gagged? Just curious, because if she did have a LE source, I would imagine she would have otherwise unknown info (for better or worse)

She should have chosen to remain silent from the get go.

 

[swanniee11]

Just wanna say in response to the “who the hell would want that”… I have first hand experience with an individual who was around NG’s age that was sexually assaulted and ultimately died as a result for a gang initiation.

ETA: I should say I have first hand experience from the medical side, this was not an individual that I knew personally. Regardless, it was a very upsetting and tragic situation for all involved. The perp was very young too. Just awful all around.

I added an edit to make myself more clear. Sorry for any confusion for those who didn't watch his video.

 

[Ghostwheel]

What does this mean? Only Fox News can be used as a source for this case or Fox News cannot be used as a source for any case except this one?

MODNOTE:

This means for this case only, FoxNews National, which is not normally an allowed source, can be used as a source.

Fox New Affiliates (locals stations) continue to be allowed.

 

[ab01]

Has anyone come to any conclusion about what the post ransom deadline means now?

This is what I said before, I don't really understand what significance the deadline has/had...

I think it's a separate crime.

And I do think the individual responsible for the ransom will end up being caught by the FBI

 

[stmichael]

i'm aware of where it was sent initially. and i know what SG said. neither definitively prove that LE/family didn't receive one directly. especially if, from what IMO it seems like, the family worked with the FBI to make the first few videos (unsure about the last one). if FBI wasn't publicly stating they received a note, they wouldn't want the family to either.

Yes agreed. All the info reported could be erroneous and there could be a lot of info they are sitting on which we have no clue about. (and likely is) But we can only speculate off what is reported and the veracity of that (official statements, direct quotes, affidavits.).

We can only go off what we know, and even then as we see in many cases there is misinformation, and errors. The latest was that a family source said that NG was not going to church or virtual church, but a friend's house to watch virtual church and that friend called AG when she didn't show up and they couldn't call her. I'm sure a lot of reported details in this mess of an investigation will be refuted or proven mis-reported when all is said and done.

 

[esp123]

But if she charged her watch in the same place, it would have been a known location to almost anyone who came into the house, i.e. cleaning, repairs services, visitors, etc. For reference, I leave my charger plugged in and in the same location. Then I just place the watch there every night before bed.

That’s true, but it would be enough detail to keep investigators considering it could be a true ransom and not a random internet person.

 

[wibbleflea]

that doesn't confirm they didn't receive it though. i think it's within the realm of plausibility that LE/family did receive one but didn't publicize it so kidnappers sent it to MSM. this also goes along with my earlier comment that the motive potentially had less to do with money than it did an obsession with savannah.

The method used was always forms (feedback forms, tip forms) on websites. Easier to mask than email, in many cases – no accounts to set up, no chain of servers recorded in email headers. And when Levin showed the first note to the FBI, it was clearly new to them.

The writer of the notes isn’t doing anything by the book. I know kidnappings for ransom are unusual in the US (and Europe) but whatever playbook is usually followed hasn’t been consulted. Maximum news and publicity, not minimum, letters sent to the media, no proof of life.

I agree that this was about Savannah. I’m not sure it was about obsession. The news aspect is significant. Is it meant as a reprimand? A distraction from something else?

 

[Bluewing3102]

Holy monkey, fbi offices around the country are deploying , wow, is this normal?

No but when you're famous and friends with a Senator of Arizona and have received support from DJT you can probably get as many resources as you want. JMO

 

[aafromaa]

But if she charged her watch in the same place, it would have been a known location to almost anyone who came into the house, i.e. cleaning, repairs services, visitors, etc. For reference, I leave my charger plugged in and in the same location. Then I just place the watch there every night before bed.

That’s the thing though….According to the guy from TMZ - who also received the first ransom note - the note said the Apple Watch was not in a place one would typically think it would be and he thinks that got the FBI’s attention. See link below for that interview.

Now the thing is we don’t know where the watch was located so we don’t know if the note was accurate with where it said the watch was. But local LE & the FBI do know where it was found. If it was not found where the note said it was - which wasn’t a typical location that someone would likely guess - if it was not where the note said then why would LE & FBI allow the family to even consider that the people who sent that note might have NG? And if it was where they said - how did they know?

Did they kidnap her? Did they help the actual perp cover up what really happened? Was the request for ransom an afterthought and that’s why it took so long for that first ransom note to be sent? Were the people who sent the note actually there that night at all or were they just fed info? And if that was the case, who fed them the info? The actual perp? Someone who helped in a cover-up? A leak in LE?

We don’t know any of those answers. But I’m about 75% sure that the location they gave for the watch was accurate and therefore about 75% sure that they had info either from being there or being told details by someone who was. I am not convinced yet that they ever had a living NG though - if they ever had her at all.

 

[Rusty123]

Maybe and this is just a MAYBE, since she was supposably long time friends with SG, Sg asked her to leave the investigation to the REAL experts. As far as I'm concerned AB doesn't need to profit off of a "very" good friend. Sometimes you have to draw the line. AB originally caused a big ruckus with her so called , bombshell.

Perhaps the FBI asked AB to keep it quiet, or she may have been threatened by lawyers on the SG side.

 

[Knox]

Maybe and this is just a MAYBE, since she was supposably long time friends with SG, Sg asked her to leave the investigation to the REAL experts. As far as I'm concerned AB doesn't need to profit off of a "very" good friend. Sometimes you have to draw the line. AB originally caused a big ruckus with her so called , bombshell.

That was exactly my thought too. I believe it started when she and MK were discussing the case right?

 

[KonaHonu]

Question. How long would a bike ride take from AG house to NG house at say 1:30am with no traffic and back roads?

Maps says 18 minutes. I'm not very familiar with the back roads in that area but I'd guess after looking at google maps that it would be more like 1/2 an hour on the back roads only because of the extra backtracking and winding around. Time of day would not make a big difference in that area. There is little streetlighting so you might need a headlight depending on moonlight.

 

[abanddb123]

That's why I think some of those early on statements/ facts, not all, but are correct. The scene was grim. Homicide came in asap.

 

[nightowl2728]

No but when you're famous and friends with a Senator of Arizona and have received support from DJT you can probably get as many resources as you want. JMO

I agree and it's also crazy to me that given all the resources SG's family has, they haven't found NG and/or resolved the ransom issue if separate, to our knowledge...

 

[TKG]

i'm aware of where it was sent initially. and i know what SG said. neither definitively prove that LE/family didn't receive one directly. especially if, from what IMO it seems like, the family worked with the FBI to make the first few videos (unsure about the last one). if FBI wasn't publicly stating they received a note, they wouldn't want the family to either.

One of the ransom notes was texted to family per MSN. Both AG and TC received it, the perpetrator has been arrested.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...rvertelemetry=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1

 

[Knox]

That’s the thing though….According to the guy from TMZ - who also received the first ransom note - the note said the Apple Watch was not in a place one would typically think it would be and he thinks that got the FBI’s attention. See link below for that interview.

Now the thing is we don’t know where the watch was located so we don’t know if the note was accurate with where it said the watch was. But local LE & the FBI do know where it was found. If it was not found where the note said it was - which wasn’t a typical location that someone would likely guess - if it was not where the note said then why would LE & FBI allow the family to even consider that the people who sent that note might have NG? And if it was where they said - how did they know?

Did they kidnap her? Did they help the actual perp cover up what really happened? Was the request for ransom an afterthought and that’s why it took so long for that first ransom note to be sent? Were the people who sent the note actually there that night at all or were they just fed info? And if that was the case, who fed them the info? The actual perp? Someone who helped in a cover-up? A leak in LE?

We don’t know any of those answers. But I’m about 75% sure that the location they gave for the watch was accurate and therefore about 75% sure that they had info either from being there or being told details by someone who was. I am not convinced yet that they ever had a living NG though - if they ever had her at all.

Adding: the part about the flood light in the backyard being damaged. All this speaks to the authenticity IMO.

 

[Miep Knipperdolling]

Is there a way for the moderators to "pin" a post on top of this thread/discussion that includes a timeline with verified information (and citations)... that can be updated as needed?

[I'm new here - sorry if this is a dumb question!]

 

[stmichael]

One of the ransom notes was texted to family per MSN. Both AG and TC received it, the perpetrator has been arrested.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...rvertelemetry=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1

That wasn't a ransom note. It was a few texts to AG and her husband:

"Did you get the bitcoin were [sic] waiting on our end for the transaction," one of the texts noted, according to the complaint.

He said he was just messing around and seeing if they'd respond though opinions on the matter differ.

You can view the affidavit.

Man arrested for sending Nancy Guthrie's family 'imposter ransom demand': court docs

A 42-year-old California man was arrested for allegedly sending fake ransom texts to Savannah Guthrie’s family in connection to her missing mother.

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