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They interviewed her and it seems she was. I know it was in a MSM article posted way, way back on this thread.
Modnote: If anyone can find this for me, we can put it over on the Media Thread. Seems like it would be good to have handy.
Never Mind, I picked it up from a later post and moved it over there.
 
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Lol, in the Tucson subreddit on Reddit, there's this bot that jumps in every time someone spells it wrong (Tuscon, etc.) to correct them. It's relentless.
When I was a part of that sub, I saw the same thing. I’ve long since stopped going there because it is one toxic cesspool in my opinion, with only a few decent people posting every so often
I would say us with the spelling is very similar to how those from Oregon insist on how Oregon should be pronounced
 
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OR ask for consent and at the same time explain why they’d also like a warrant. I’m really confused about the warrant issue. My take is the warrant is a good thing in terms of a future trial. Any findings with only a consent could be argued against, while a warrant is solid? In this situation would LE prefer a sealed or unsealed warrant? Help me here. Do we even know if a warrant has happened here?
They have to have probable cause to get a warrant. They don’t need PC with consent. If they have no evidence a third party residence is involved in the kidnapping, the only way they can get in is with consent.

Sealed vs unsealed doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. Sealing the warrant just avoids premature disclosure of investigative findings and potentially strategy. It keeps from tipping off a potential subject so that they can destroy evidence, etc. If someone gets arrested, the warrant affidavit is available to them via discovery. Otherwise, only a copy of the order itself is provided. Technically the warrant itself is unsealed after execution (because you have to leave a copy of the order), but the affidavit still remains sealed.

You also don’t have an unlimited amount of time to pocket a warrant. Usually 10 days to execute from the time it’s signed by the judge.

JMO
 
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Several posters have asked on this thread recently if LE would need both AG and TC to give voluntary consent to a search of their home and property. I assume that LE would need the consent of all legal and official homeowners. Do we know if both AG and TC are listed on auditor's website as both being official homeowners?
 
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Can someone tell me WHICH Circle K provided the surveillance video? MSM consistently reports it is one on Oracle Road. As a 40+ year Tucson resident I struggled to remember one on Oracle. A quick google maps check did not find one either. There are a few close to Oracle though.

5801 N Oracle Road. (iirc) Close to AG’s house.

I’ll try to find the link.
 
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Let’s see if he has her back on, bet that’s a hard no, lol.
Weren't BE and AB coworkers at NewsNation? I thought I remembered them reporting together during the Idaho 4 case.
 
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Interesting another camera was found and removed (from guest house facing her driveway). It was missed on the other 6 or so searches?

When I drove by on the Monday after the alert went out, there was a white car beside the guesthouse and nothing else there. No police, no sheriff, no security... It was strange really. She is part of our CFHA (Catalina Foothills Homeowner's Association) and also in our Nextdoor area and she posted in November 2025 asking for camera recommendations.

It's surreal I have been here for 5+ years and suddenly, less than a mile from my home we are talking about this bizarre case. Like many of you have repeated over the hundreds of pages, it seems odd and burdensome to kidnap an 84 y/o with mobility issues.

Michael Ruiz has done some very strong investigative journalism and unearthed a Special Durable POA from last year as well as, a camera that was on the guest house on February 6th, yet as of yesterday is gone. How does this happen with all of the media camped out in front of the house?

Micael Ruiz from Fox News posted this on X. For some reason the link will not work when I embed it in the text.

If this has been posted, I did not see it in the media timeline.
ETA for clean up
Can you say if Law enforcement has been door to door?
I'm not sure if this is a time you would be a verified insider due to your location etc...and I may have missed your other posts due to my twitching eye from trying to keep up lol.
Jmo, and continuing to pray for Nancy and your community. I may joke sometimes on here but I'm fully aware of the heartbreaking seriousness of this case.
 
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They have to have probable cause to get a warrant. They don’t need PC with consent. If they have no evidence a third party residence is involved in the kidnapping, the only way they can get in is with consent.

Sealed vs unsealed doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. Sealing the warrant just avoids premature disclosure of investigative findings and potentially strategy. It keeps from tipping off a potential subject so that they can destroy evidence, etc. If someone gets arrested, the warrant affidavit is available to them via discovery. Otherwise, only a copy of the order itself is provided. Technically the warrant itself is unsealed after execution (because you have to leave a copy of the order), but the affidavit still remains sealed.

You also don’t have an unlimited amount of time to pocket a warrant. Usually 10 days to execute from the time it’s signed by the judge.

JMO
Thank you very much! I just googled the 3 differences and was gonna post, but your description is exactly what I found. Good information!
 
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Evidence is admissible if the resident consents to the search.
If it did go to trial evidence from a consented search would be admissible but any defense attorney worth their salt would object and say "they agreed to this not that. If they have PC, they'll get a warrant. IMO
 
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Several posters have asked on this thread recently if LE would need both AG and TC to give voluntary consent to a search of their home and property. I assume that LE would need the consent of all legal and official homeowners. Do we know if both AG and TC are listed on auditor's website as both being official homeowners?
If it was all communal, they only need one person’s consent. If they were separated, for instance, and sleeping in different bedrooms that the other did not really access, that would change things. But shared property in a traditional arrangement where each has access to everything equally, they only need whichever is present at the property to consent.

JMO
 
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Can you say if Law enforcement has been door to door?
I'm not sure if this is a time you would be a verified insider due to your location etc...and I may have missed your other posts due to my twitching eye from trying to keep up lol.
Jmo, and continuing to pray for Nancy and your community. I may joke sometimes on here but I'm fully aware of the heartbreaking seriousness of this case.
I can ask Tricia to work on verified insider if you all want that. Her home is almost a mile from me as the crow flies. Law enforcement, including FBI have gone door to door several times. I saw them out canvassing with clipboards ringing doorbells. They have not come to mine.
 
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See below this may explain why AB in her latest podcast does not update us on her sources info about the son in law. JMO


Latest podcast AB
GOOD. This "gotcha" type of reporting when lives and reputations are at stake must stop!
 
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FBI says no suspects, no communication as Nancy Guthrie ransom deadline passes with no proof of life

 
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If it did go to trial evidence from a consented search would be admissible but any defense attorney worth their salt would object and say "they agreed to this not that. If they have PC, they'll get a warrant. IMO
Their client would have to explain why they signed a consent to search form that details exactly what can be searched, and was witnessed by multiple individuals.

Pure verbal consent stopped being a thing quite a while ago, unless there’s some sort of weird exigency. Even then, they’d likely record the verbal consent.

JMO
 
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I don’t understand why the FBI is involved. They think this is an interstate or national level case because it is the mother of a TV host? It seems like if this is going to drag on for months, they have to justify why federal taxpayers have to pay for this long investigation when so many benefits have been cut for the common man. They should probably trust local LE to take it from here. MOO

The involvement of the FBI is desirable and expected in cases such as this.
When technology from car data, heart monitor and pacemaker, wifi, multiple cameras from varied sources such as gas station, phone triangulation etc. is involved, it is beneficial to gain help from the resourceful FBI.
In this case, DNA is also involved because blood were present and you want to know if it is the victim's blood or the blood of the violent criminal(s).
In cases similar to this one, the resources from the FBI Lab at the Marine Corps Base Quantico in Quantico, Virginia is desirable because they have technology and 500 plus scientists specialized with forensic.
Early in the investigation, a ransom demand through bitcoins needed nation wide expertise because it is equivalent to interstate banking!
As a result of investigators expertise, the criminal was caught in California, which validates to use of the FBI's resources in such an interstate banking investigation.
Someone with a business making just $10 million per year would pay $3,800,000 in tax using the tax rate of 38% of the 2020-2024 period.
Does someone paying $3,800,000 tax per year deserve the help of federal agencies, when the common man making $100,000 per year and paying much much less tax would benefit in time of need?
Usually, local law enforcement dislikes the involvement of the FBI when they are politicized and/or there are the reputation of local elected officials or affluent local people to be managed.
In this case, it is very good for the investigation that FBI is involved, albeit belatedly somewhat.
 
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I can ask Tricia to work on verified insider if you all want that. Her home is almost a mile from me as the crow flies. Law enforcement, including FBI have gone door to door several times. I saw them out canvassing with clipboards ringing doorbells. They have not come to mine.
Personally I think it would be interesting to know more about the local thoughts and dynamic in this case. I've often thought about what locals have to say about this case. I trust Tricia's judgment about what can and can't be said here.
Jmo
 
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So IF the motive was to inherit from Nancy, AND no genuine ransom note has been received, THEN perhaps the guilty party is not overbright, and assumed that Nancy's body (sorry) wouldn't take too long to find. Just an idea.
 
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Since FOX is allowed
Nancy was expected at a friend's house.....not church

On Feb. 1, Nancy did not arrive at her friend’s house as expected to watch the livestream. Concerned, the friend contacted Annie — Nancy’s daughter and Savannah Guthrie’s sister — to report that Nancy had not shown up and could not be reached.

The source emphasized that Nancy was expected to be at her friend’s home that morning, not at a Tucson church, and said the circumstances surrounding her absence have been inaccurately described in some coverage.

Interesting difference. The details certainly sound legitimate, even though it's based on a single anonymous source. Sounds like a lovely, companionable way to attend church. I find it comforting to know that Nancy was not isolated. Dinner and games with family, regular get-togethers with friends.

Ultimately, I haven't see how Nancy attended church as significant. Whether she sat in a pew, watched solo from home, or at a friend's house isn't important. The relevance is only that Nancy's absence from a routine Sunday morning activity prompted someone to call her daughter, which prompted a family member to check on her. The time of the call, the identity of the caller, and reason for concern were easily verified. It all confirmed the family member's account of why they went to the house late Sunday morning and reported her missing within minutes. My takeaway about the call from the first press conference was that it all checked out.

Thanks for sharing the article. I appreciate the image of Nancy and friends gathering for worship and enjoying each other's company every Sunday morning. It helps.
 
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