AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I'm most concerned with the fact she hasn't had her hearing aid all week. Can she even hear anything?
I wear them and can hear some things but other things not at all. Depends on what your particular hearing loss is. Everyone is different.
 
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Yes this is my understanding. A pacemaker is a little machine that keeps functioning whether the heart is still working or not.
So then what data is synced to the phone/watch? If her heart stopped, wouldnt the pacemaker show it was repeatedly trying to get a rhythm?
 
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All I know about pacemakers is that they are very expensive, but you can always get a secondhand one. :confused:
My cardiologist tells me that I might need one some day, so I'll get back to you! :)
 
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You make some good points. Firstly, about Nancy having some sort of episode and wandering off in the middle of the night. Quite possible IMO, but surely she would have been found by now? And secondly, if one of the obvious suspects
killed/injured her, either accidentally or on purpose, what would be the point of removing her from her home? Especially as it is now looking less and less likely to be a proper kidnapping. But if it happened in a different home, there is every reason to move her.
A domestic/personal/acquaintance murder committed in the home may result in crime scene staging to make the death look like an accident, suicide, robbery gone wrong, kidnapping, etc. So you may see a suicide or ransom note, fake break in etc.

In the case of a fake kidnapping, the body has to be removed from the home.
 
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I feel the solution lies in the questions
Who ?
When?
Where?
What ? ( motive)
How ?

Investigations take time and I believe LE are well on there way on answering 3 or 4 of those questions and it's a case then of where imo
 
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This part of NG story is clarified. This is good. The conflicting info was a major red flag in the timeline for many of us.

Now, how was Nancy supposed to get to the friend’s house? Uber or drive herself? It doesn’t seem like someone she knew was going to pick her up.

NG normal mode of transportation is unclear.

Jan 31- Uber 10 minutes to her daughter’s house. Driven home the same night presumably by daughter or son-in-law around 9:48 pm

Feb 1 - Expected at friend’s house for online church service but doesn’t show.

IMO

 
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My cardiologist tells me that I might need one some day, so I'll get back to you! :)
Only if you live outside of the US. Looked it up ~ "Used (reconditioned) pacemakers are generally not available for purchase in the U.S. but are refurbished for "compassionate use" in developing nations at no cost through specific programs"
 
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Well, a perfectly good and expensive pacemaker isn't going to be buried with its owner.
My vet said pacemakers can’t be reused by people but they can be donated to the animal world. IMO.
 
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So then what data is synced to the phone/watch? If her heart stopped, wouldnt the pacemaker show it was repeatedly trying to get a rhythm?
I am not an expert at all, I just heard a LE official on TV talk about it. He indicated the data would be confusing and perhaps inconclusive because the little pacemaker keeps beating whether the heart is alive or not. He made it sound like they wouldn't know if it was the pacemaker or the heart beating.

Perhaps someone can refute or verify this.
 
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It means exactly what she said (6 times).

FOX NEWS WILL BE ALLOWED AS A SOURCE FOR THIS CASE ONLY.

Here is post 1 of 6: AZ - Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

And scratch the word "only" in your post. She's allowing it, in addition to other approved sources. It's not the only allowed source. I think I understand. Web sleuths provides a list of approved sources when discussing cases, and the use of unapproved sources can result in suspension.
I know she said it 6 times which is why I asked for clarification. So Websleuths has a list of approved sources that can be used on this forum and in this particular Fox News is on the approved list but in tother cases Fox News may not be on the approved list. Got it. Thanks. Haven't been here in a while.
 
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As I understand it, pacemaker location cannot be tracked but as it needs to be in close proximity to monitoring device (phone or watch?), if they have data from the pacemaker on them they would be able to ascertain the last time and location she was with her device. I need to go back over the timeline as I cannot remember what was stated about the pacemaker data.
 
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Only if you live outside of the US. Looked it up ~ "Used (reconditioned) pacemakers are generally not available for purchase in the U.S. but are refurbished for "compassionate use" in developing nations at no cost through specific programs"
My vet said pacemakers can’t be reused by people but they can be donated to the animal world. IMO.
Well, I'm in Australia. I'll ask my cardiologist next time I see him. But that's what I heard.
 
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This part of NG story is clarified. This is good. The conflicting info was a major red flag in the timeline for many of us.

Now, how was Nancy supposed to get to the friend’s house? Uber or drive herself? It doesn’t seem like someone she knew was going to pick her up.

NG normal mode of transportation is unclear.

Jan 31- Uber 10 minutes to her daughter’s house. Driven home the same night presumably by daughter or son-in-law around 9:48 pm

Feb 1 - Expected at friend’s house for online church service but doesn’t show.

IMO


This has been cleared up and also the New York Post has stated that the friend called Annie to ask about Nancy.
 
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8 days of Search & Rescue; and the majority of LE now believe the kidnapping was another hoax. What's left? A missing woman, possible foul play involved... much like so many other cases that do not get solved 🥺
Likely foul play. 1( A local tweaker ran out of money in the middle of the night and decided to break into a house to get something to trade for drugs and NG fought him. Things went South and he hid her body nearby to stall for time or 2) A family member was tired of waiting for their inheritance. Possibly drugged her while at dinner then went back to finish the job and disposed NG nearby. I agree the kidnapping is an opportunist trying to make money off this tragedy. Edited for spelling error.
 
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I am not an expert at all, I just heard a LE official on TV talk about it. He indicated the data would be confusing and perhaps inconclusive because the little pacemaker keeps beating whether the heart is alive or not. He made it sound like they wouldn't know if it was the pacemaker or the heart beating.

Perhaps someone can refute or verify this.
I think it could only tell them when the pacemaker was in range of her monitoring device, the last communication time between the devices and from that, they should be able to tell her location whilst she is with her phone. So they should know for sure if she was at home in the early hours of the morning or if she never returned home (in the case of her phone being planted).


Edited to add, I have just read a previous post stating the devices only tend to sync once a day.
 
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So then what data is synced to the phone/watch? If her heart stopped, wouldnt the pacemaker show it was repeatedly trying to get a rhythm?
I think you have to be within a certain distance of the device it is synching to
 
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I think you have to be within a certain distance of the device it is synching to
The client I currently care for has a Pacemaker/Defib -- She has a Hub that data is sent to in her home, which in term is sent to Boston Diagnostics. BUT it will only work if she is within 100 ft of this Hub. Outside the 100 ft it will not connect to send data, but will as soon as the Pacemaker is back into radius.

The hub only collects data, the Pacemaker/Defib will continue to work outside the Hub area (example Client had issue at the dentist, Defib went off).
 
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8 days of Search & Rescue; and the majority of LE now believe the kidnapping was another hoax. What's left? A missing woman, possible foul play involved... much like so many other cases that do not get solved 🥺
That would be my opinion, too. I think the kidnapping was an opportunity and/or a distraction by the person/persons who are responsible for her disappearance or by someone who is not involved but seized an opportunity to cash in.

It seems less likely that a "kidnapping" was planned.

I hope that the search for her amps up now since she hasn't been returned.
 
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department has said that Nancy took an Uber to her daughter's house,

which is about 10 minutes from her own home in the Catalina Foothills, just north of Tucson, Arizona, for dinner and some

Mahjong on Saturday, Jan. 31.

At the end of the evening, police say, Nancy got driven home by her son-in-law, Cioni.


He said detectives have since interviewed the Uber driver, who the sheriff said is not under suspicion. The driver has been “very open.”



Thank you, I appreciate that information.
I wonder why her son-in-law didn't pick her up? He dropped her off, so it couldn't have been a drink-driving issue.
 

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