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Okay, seeing a lot of conversation and I'm not sure of best practices here... I recorded the Brian Entin interview with the (alleged) mother-in-law of the subject that was taken into custody earlier. Would it be okay for me to post it, or considering the potential ethical problems with it, should I just leave it unposted? Bit new here and I don't want to cause trouble, because the name is mentioned in full by the mother-in-law.

EDIT: Think I got my answer directly below, will avoid posting.
 
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ADMIN NOTE:

Although the detained individual's MIL released his name, do not post it here and do not sleuth on him at this time.

Wait for info from LE to see what the status is.

IF this guy is innocent and totally unrelated to this case, it would be horrible to have all his information splashed over the internet.


Remember Sunil Tripathi who was wrongly accused of being one of the perpetrators of an April 15, 2013 bombing of the Boston Marathon. He committed suicide as a result.

Richard Jewel, hero to zero when wrongly accused in the Olympic Park bombing.

Please have patience and post responsibly.
 
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Why do you think they don't have a warrant? It's typical to detain/secure anyone in the house for officer safety. This isn't crazy.
I thought I heard the mom say they didn't have one as well... but I could be wrong. Everything is moving so fast.
 
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Barged in without a warrant...and even cuffed the son that was playing Nintendo who is not the subject of the investigation. Not good. If this is really the guy, it could hurt their case.
One of the legal folks said they can enter without warrant under certain circumstances when there is an abduction. LE often cuffs other occupants while they secure the scene then release them fairly quickly.
 
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I find this interesting.

If they door dash, I wonder if they also pick up shifts as an Uber Driver?
Or, is it possible he could have delivered Door Dash to Nancy at her home on a prior occasion? (Just a thought. MOO … possible though maybe not probable.)
 
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How certain is it that this man is actually involved and not just a case of mistaken identity or a person turned in by an angry Ex?
Angry exes rarely can give enough info relevant to a case so compelling that a judge or magistrate would sign a no knock warrant for a search that will take hours to complete. If this was a random tip, they wouldn't send SWAT.
 
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Then his routes will be scrutinized if he is on a truck but he could be package sorter in warehouse, dispatcher, or any job…don’t jump to conclusions to put him in the frame.
The MIL said it, that he delivers, she said: "he works in Tucson all week' delivering boxes for UPS and... he works for a company. You can call the company to see if he's working" something like that.

So not directly working for UPS, but perhaps delivery in general.
 
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Not to mention that they can't have confirmed that the woman is actually the MIL of the detained person, or that the name she said is correct.
It's also unclear, as far as I know, if the detained person is related to the abduction of NG or the ransom, if separate (or even if related, it's not clear if this person actually took NG). He could be an accomplice or committed a related crime ?
 
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Would FBI lock profiles if they have all electronic devices?
 
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Okay, seeing a lot of conversation and I'm not sure of best practices here... I recorded the Brian Entin interview with the (alleged) mother-in-law of the subject that was taken into custody earlier. Would it be okay for me to post it, or considering the potential ethical problems with it, should I just leave it unposted? Bit new here and I don't want to cause trouble, because the name is mentioned in full by the mother-in-law.

It's MSM and it's fine to post. Members just have to discuss what the MIL is saying. It's fine to question or comment on what is contained in the interview, but no direct accusations until there is some more information so we know what we are dealing with.
 
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CNN Live journo on scene in Rio Rico interviewing Mom-in-law of detained suspect and its her house being searched. Sounds like she is totally befuddled? But I believe she said that her SIL does delivery work "Fedex?" and travels to Tucson sometimes. Why is LE not interviewed her??

ETA last 2 sentences
Thinking back to the security camera footage of the neighbor in Nancy’s neighborhood who had a trespasser… was the trespasser wearing a FedEx uniform or something similar?
 
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Why do you think they don't have a warrant? It's typical to detain/secure anyone in the house for officer safety. This isn't crazy.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/na...om-02-10-26?post-id=cmlhhbq8g00003b6qbw2q253o

The homeowner, when interviewed, stated that a warrant was not presented. Perhaps she is mistaken, but perhaps she isn't.

I apologize if this seems out of line, but considering that we have recently seen warrants are no longer deemed necessary for certain interventions, that might be the case here. If the tipster, for whatever reason, said it was in a home where an "illegal immigrant family" lives, a warrant might not have been used.

Until such a time as this is clarified, we have to give this woman the benefit of doubt. She claims to have no knowledge of the matter, and no NG hidden in her home (which was the reason given for the intervention).

In my opinion, we are all so intent on seeing a resolution to this matter that we are trying to identify people through name searches, news articles...I didn't think this was allowed. I thought that was frowned upon.

If I am mistaken, apologies for being "the wrong kind of stickler for detail", but this case now involves a very loaded aspect: the possibility that a POC is involved, and the current social climate in this nation is fraught enough already.

I suggest we take a step back and let LE do their job, identify if the person of interest should be charged with a crime, and then go from there.
 
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Yes sorry I added to my previous post an ETA. It does sound like a 3rd party company that deals with multiple delivery companies.

*ETA from my earlier post: sorry she actually said he works in Tucson 'all week' delivering boxes for UPS and... he works for a company. You can call the company to see if he's working" something like that. So not directly working for UPS, but pehaps delivery in general.
That makes sense. I think UPS salaries are pretty good and come with benefits, while a 3-party delivery service might not.
jmo
 
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Thanks, this a helpful perspective from someone more versed in the ethics of journalism. Would the right move here be to speak with her and turn it over to police? Or speak with her and hold on record if subpoenaed?

yes, you can speak to her on record and hold onto that until names come out. i wouldn't turn it over to LE until they ask - if that was even actually his MIL, they'd already have found out all the information she shared.

again, i don't believe he's acting maliciously, but IMO streaming an investigation live is kind of an icky thing to do to begin with.
 
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