AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Spectrix]

I don't

What are you basing that the kidnapping took so long on?

The door nest camera disconnects at 1:47 a.m.
A figure (person/animal) is registered as being on camera at 2:12 a.m.
Nancy and her phone (which was found at her home) part ways a distance enough for her pacemaker app to show a disconnect at 2:28 a.m.

That is lightening fast considering Nancy had mobility issues.

Going by the timestamps, it appears as if the fellow in the ski mask was still wandering around the outside of Nancy's house 25 minutes after the door camera disconnected, and that was after spending god knows how long fumbling around the front porch trying to cover the camera with flowers.

This is not a seasoned kidnapper, and yes, 41 (plus) minutes to retrieve an old lady from her home is a very long time.
For goodness sake, did they stop and have a cup of tea together before leaving?

 

[cady]

I question whether it was really a "tip".....I think it was probably a result of the tower/phone dump and he happened to get caught in it because his phone pinged that tower (he may have been delivering Door Dash nearby). But the tower pings dump is really an important tool, especially since it "appears" that the creep who broke in to NG's was carrying a cellphone. JUST MY OPINION

 

[Strangeworld]

Understandable and respectful. iMO a lot of this going into circles over male or female or seeing things or not seeing things…fills time but IMO I’m not sure if it’s worth it

And I think something that just can't be avoided in forums like this is the waves of topics that get repeated - people come and go from all over the world and in a busy thread like this one, its impossible to keep up with every post.

So it does go round in circles alot, which is completely fine because everyone should get that chance to catch up and chat even if others have already discussed something.

But then it intensifies reactions when something new pops up. Well, that's how I see it. Its like a feeding frenzy! I'm part of it like everyone else on here, but its given me food for thought.

Nancy's disappearance is like no other case I've followed, and she's such a beautiful kind lady I am going to take this opportunity to check myself as the investigation continues

 

[microsleuth88]

I question whether it was really a "tip".....I think it was probably a result of the tower/phone dump and he happened to get caught in it because his phone pinged that tower (he may have been delivering Door Dash nearby). But the tower pings dump is really an important tool, especially since it "appears" that the creep who broke in to NG's was carrying a cellphone. JUST MY OPINION

I think that is it. Because in this video from the abc15 interview with ford and CP, around the 1:59 mark CP basically states this JMO.

 

[armchairagatha]

My leading theory

my leading theory is still that they wanted her to withdraw or transfer a large amount of money and were ignorant of her medication needs and she died while in their possession.

This theory doesn’t work IMO because we don’t know she had any life threatening medication needs and also wasn’t there some info shared by the kidnappers that was only known to NG’s inner circle, providing indirect proof of life? Can someone confirm this?

 

[Napoli]

Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO

 

[Tate123]

I want to have faith in the talented women and men of the FBI but lord it seems like Kash is bungling this.

I feel like the media bungled this not the FBI.

 

[Laura Avery]

Whilst we are here, it's a kind idea if we look at our home places unidentified and missing xx

 

[jopalyii]

I think it’s reasonable that if someone’s phone number was in the tower dump, someone independently left a tip that said this guy looks like the suspect, and possibly there’s more innocent security footage of either him or his car that it makes sense to detain him. If they didn’t and it turned out to be him, it would be a huge miss.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes, I’m thoroughly confused at the response here. Police went out of their way multiple times to say this dude wasn’t even a person of interest, he was just being detained for questioning.

JMO

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[nodamselindistress]

I don't think we should assume she was home at 2:28am. It is common for pacemakers to transmit data only once per day and usually in the middle of the night according to this pacemaker monitoring company: Remote Monitoring: Frequently Asked Questions - PaceMate®

So the pacemaker monitor reported that it was not able to connect at 2:28 am because that's the standard time each night that the monitor tries to connect with the pacemaker. She could have been gone much earlier.

Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.

 

[Laura Avery]

Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO

I have one, its not a key a such but a sort of flat plastic item that you need to insert behind the housing, quite easy to remove if you know how, but you do need to remove it, and that takes time and a little experience to do so. So I think this person knows how to do it, but He or she isn't the quickest at doing it.

 

[Monepone]

@thefragile7393 , are you local?

If so, are you aware of this newscaster, Ford Hatchett??? I feel he is conducting a good interview here.

HIS interview with the detainee is the best to me, because it was immediate, fresh and more authentic (Before this fellow starts talking to all media for his 15 minutes)

Ford Hatchett ABC15 Tucson

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021489057495478375

If held for unreasonable amount of time for them to investigate probable cause and left in handcuffs, a detainment, can become a defacto arrest. That detainee needs council. If what he said was true, his rights were likely violated.

 

[EJB123456]

That coupled with the fact that he has an unmarked white van and some association with his phone (per CP). It was a good lead that LE was right to follow up. The manner in which they did it was probably a bit of overkill, IMO.

I went to bed knowing he had a broken down van and woke up to it being unmarked and white….link?

 

[cherryleaf]

What are her medication needs? Other than blood thinners?

No one knows and hopefully it remains that way. NG medical information is protected by law and I sincerely hope if anyone in the media leaks any of her private medical info that they bring the hammer down on them. The sheriff and later the family were the ones that said, and I’m paraphrasing here, she could essentially pass away and lived in constant pain without access to some of her medication(s). The public knows she needs daily medications, uses a cane due to limited mobility , is sharp as a tack, and has a pacemaker. Blood thinners haven’t been mentioned to my knowledge. The public will most likely never know anything more than that regarding her health and it should honestly remain that way. MOO

 

[smileyface516]

Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.

I feel like there's a misconception that the pacemaker is being pinged constantly by the monitor. 2:28 AM is just the "first unsuccessful ping". We don't know when the last successful ping was, and if the monitor only pings the device once or twice a day, it probably isn't even helpful information.

 

[HoveringWombats]

Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO

I think you're confusing two things.

You need a tool to remove the doorbell from the mount. Some people might call it a "key," and this example of a replacement does, but as you can see it's just a thin piece of metal. You can (and I have) use anything that fits in the hole to remove the camera. This is not a "key" in the traditional sense, and requires nothing particularly special. IMO it says absolutely nothing about any prior knowledge or access. (Edit: you need the tool to remove it "correctly." It has been rightly pointed out that you can definitely remove the doorbell without the tool if you don't care about using force and potentially damaging it. Again, no suggestion of prior knowledge or access.)

Second, a few people have posted completely unsubstantiated claims that the intruder may have had a key to the house. I personally find this unlikely, and I don't think we have seen any credible reports or evidence to suggest it, but of course I am open to changing my mind if someone provides sources. I think this is just a random theory that someone posted in this thread and others ran with it.

 

[SMK777]

I had thought last night that maybe they had the main suspect, would arrest him, and that possibly NG would be returned. I expected to wake up to huge headlines.

I am going to have to catch up to understand where things actually stand now.

 

[unresolvedmystery]

Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.

Tried to express this about the way the police had worded it about the digital devices and people don't seem to be getting it.

 

[Sleuthster]

@thefragile7393 , are you local?

If so, are you aware of this newscaster, Ford Hatchett??? I feel he is conducting a good interview here.

HIS interview with the detainee is the best to me, because it was immediate, fresh and more authentic (Before this fellow starts talking to all media for his 15 minutes)

Ford Hatchett ABC15 Tucson

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021489057495478375

He doesn't remember her name and he may have delivered packages to her address? Also seems detached that what's her name was kidnapped like he hasn't heard her name a million times if he has a TV or social media