AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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My leading theory

my leading theory is still that they wanted her to withdraw or transfer a large amount of money and were ignorant of her medication needs and she died while in their possession.
This theory doesn’t work IMO because we don’t know she had any life threatening medication needs and also wasn’t there some info shared by the kidnappers that was only known to NG’s inner circle, providing indirect proof of life? Can someone confirm this?
 
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Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO
 
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I want to have faith in the talented women and men of the FBI but lord it seems like Kash is bungling this.
I feel like the media bungled this not the FBI.
 
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Whilst we are here, it's a kind idea if we look at our home places unidentified and missing xx
 
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I think it’s reasonable that if someone’s phone number was in the tower dump, someone independently left a tip that said this guy looks like the suspect, and possibly there’s more innocent security footage of either him or his car that it makes sense to detain him. If they didn’t and it turned out to be him, it would be a huge miss.
 
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Yes, I’m thoroughly confused at the response here. Police went out of their way multiple times to say this dude wasn’t even a person of interest, he was just being detained for questioning.

JMO

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I don't think we should assume she was home at 2:28am. It is common for pacemakers to transmit data only once per day and usually in the middle of the night according to this pacemaker monitoring company: Remote Monitoring: Frequently Asked Questions - PaceMate®

So the pacemaker monitor reported that it was not able to connect at 2:28 am because that's the standard time each night that the monitor tries to connect with the pacemaker. She could have been gone much earlier.
Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.
 
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Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO
I have one, its not a key a such but a sort of flat plastic item that you need to insert behind the housing, quite easy to remove if you know how, but you do need to remove it, and that takes time and a little experience to do so. So I think this person knows how to do it, but He or she isn't the quickest at doing it.
 
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@thefragile7393 , are you local?

If so, are you aware of this newscaster, Ford Hatchett??? I feel he is conducting a good interview here.

HIS interview with the detainee is the best to me, because it was immediate, fresh and more authentic (Before this fellow starts talking to all media for his 15 minutes)

Ford Hatchett ABC15 Tucson

If held for unreasonable amount of time for them to investigate probable cause and left in handcuffs, a detainment, can become a defacto arrest. That detainee needs council. If what he said was true, his rights were likely violated.
 
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That coupled with the fact that he has an unmarked white van and some association with his phone (per CP). It was a good lead that LE was right to follow up. The manner in which they did it was probably a bit of overkill, IMO.
I went to bed knowing he had a broken down van and woke up to it being unmarked and white….link?
 
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What are her medication needs? Other than blood thinners?
No one knows and hopefully it remains that way. NG medical information is protected by law and I sincerely hope if anyone in the media leaks any of her private medical info that they bring the hammer down on them. The sheriff and later the family were the ones that said, and I’m paraphrasing here, she could essentially pass away and lived in constant pain without access to some of her medication(s). The public knows she needs daily medications, uses a cane due to limited mobility , is sharp as a tack, and has a pacemaker. Blood thinners haven’t been mentioned to my knowledge. The public will most likely never know anything more than that regarding her health and it should honestly remain that way. MOO
 
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Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.

I feel like there's a misconception that the pacemaker is being pinged constantly by the monitor. 2:28 AM is just the "first unsuccessful ping". We don't know when the last successful ping was, and if the monitor only pings the device once or twice a day, it probably isn't even helpful information.
 
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Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO
I think you're confusing two things.

You need a tool to remove the doorbell from the mount. Some people might call it a "key," and this example of a replacement does, but as you can see it's just a thin piece of metal. You can (and I have) use anything that fits in the hole to remove the camera. This is not a "key" in the traditional sense, and requires nothing particularly special. IMO it says absolutely nothing about any prior knowledge or access. (Edit: you need the tool to remove it "correctly." It has been rightly pointed out that you can definitely remove the doorbell without the tool if you don't care about using force and potentially damaging it. Again, no suggestion of prior knowledge or access.)

Second, a few people have posted completely unsubstantiated claims that the intruder may have had a key to the house. I personally find this unlikely, and I don't think we have seen any credible reports or evidence to suggest it, but of course I am open to changing my mind if someone provides sources. I think this is just a random theory that someone posted in this thread and others ran with it.
 
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I had thought last night that maybe they had the main suspect, would arrest him, and that possibly NG would be returned. I expected to wake up to huge headlines.

I am going to have to catch up to understand where things actually stand now.
 
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Thank you for trying to get this point across. I have given up! People still want to believe 2:28am means the time when NG was last at her home. She was already gone by that time.
Tried to express this about the way the police had worded it about the digital devices and people don't seem to be getting it.
 
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@thefragile7393 , are you local?

If so, are you aware of this newscaster, Ford Hatchett??? I feel he is conducting a good interview here.

HIS interview with the detainee is the best to me, because it was immediate, fresh and more authentic (Before this fellow starts talking to all media for his 15 minutes)

Ford Hatchett ABC15 Tucson

He doesn't remember her name and he may have delivered packages to her address? Also seems detached that what's her name was kidnapped like he hasn't heard her name a million times if he has a TV or social media
 
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No one knows and hopefully it remains that way. NG medical information is protected by law and I sincerely hope if anyone in the media leaks any of her private medical info that they bring the hammer down on them. The sheriff and later the family were the ones that said, and I’m paraphrasing here, she could essentially pass away and lived in constant pain without access to some of her medication(s). The public knows she needs daily medications, uses a cane due to limited mobility , is sharp as a tack, and has a pacemaker. Blood thinners haven’t been mentioned to my knowledge. The public will most likely never know anything more than that regarding her health and it should honestly remain that way. MOO
Painkillers are not required to preserve life. Elderly people have aches and pains and limited mobility so she probably took painkillers to relieve pain. A pacemaker doesn’t need to sync with a phone in order to keep working. In other words, there is nothing to suggest her life was threatened due to lack of medicines. She could very well still be alive.
 
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Someone keeps saying that these nest doorbell things have a key. I believe that to be true. If someone had given the perp the key, he wouldnt have looked surprised and clumsily tried to remove it. OR he did have the key and still needed to cover the doorbell with his hand as he manipulated the key to get the device out of the holder. Either way, he had to know the doorbell was there. JMO
The key is similar to how Ring has security screws. Its minimal protection from someone just easily stealing your camera. Nevertheless, one good hit or kick would break any of these doorbells off their mounting brackets.
 
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I have one, its not a key a such but a sort of flat plastic item that you need to insert behind the housing, quite easy to remove if you know how, but you do need to remove it, and that takes time and a little experience to do so. So I think this person knows how to do it, but He or she isn't the quickest at doing it.

This doorbell cam removal tool that you speak of, does it happen to resemble a bunch of flowers?
Because that is what he used.
 
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I feel like the media bungled this not the FBI.
Media did not stop a man, arrest him, break into his MIL's home. They reported what the FBI was doing. Fair game.
 

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