AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I don't know about the CBP rules but there is also Exigent Circumstances, that allows immediate, no warrant entry if the police reasonably believe someone is in immediate danger of being harmed, evidence could be being destroyed, or a suspect is fleeing.
That’s a great thought! I bet they do have some extra rights to stop someone to interview, detain.

At the border, of course, sometimes they stop cars for “ secondary screening”, this can take 20 min to hours if they take vehicle apart. No warrant, just they “ thought” there “ might” be something hidden. Perfectly legal.

In CA, there are CBP checkpoints about 20-30 miles N of the border, so I know CBP has “ rights “ to search that far away.

Good question how far N the CBP “ rights” go?

JMO
 
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Feeling fairly dejected today after yesterday, but back to the video. I hope this isn't misconstrued as a race assumption or stereotype because that is certainly not my intention - the gait and movements of the man in the video don't align with my (primarily anecdotal) observations of and interactions with (especially first or second generation immigrant) central American Latino working-class men. My experiences have been that since their upper torsos tend to be equal to or greater than their lower torso (or their oft-stocky builds often give the illusion of such), that they appear more "jerky" (lack of a better word) in their movements, with a bit more 'side to side' sway in their gaits. Their typical build, to me at least, also gives the impression that they are shorter than they often are. The man in the video seems taller, more relaxed and confident in terms of gait and general movement, proportion appears skewed to his legs (shorter upper torso), and gives a more upper-middle class Caucasian/Middle Eastern/Mediterranean vibe to me, whether American or not. Perhaps even has a military or law enforcement background.

As always, could be wrong on this, but those were my initial impressions of the video. I suppose I will stick to them unless or until further information changes it.

JMO.
 
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IMO I am starting to feel like like LE keep familial involvement on the table b/c they are more lost then anything on what else to follow up on and typically one would go back to family or last seen. JMO but if this is correct, I think it is really awful. Again JMO
The story of AG and SIL should be easily corroborated and it should be possible to eliminate them quickly.

Some detail however cannot be independently confirmed, this is why LE keep coming back, it just isn't clear what it is yet.

LE will look for the objective evidence for the things they claimed happened: We dropped her off, We came home, We stayed home- Their phones, video at the Circle K, their home Wifi, their alarm system, their external cameras, search of their car, neighbors cameras etc.. should all agree.
 
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I’m really worried about the status of the investigation. I thought for sure, given the intense focus on specific areas, they were focusing in on specific someone(s). But the intense reaction from last night makes me think they don’t really have much else. I hope I’m wrong. MOO
I think there's more than one person involved in this. I don't think lantana man looks capable of pulling this off alone. And like most conspiracies once you manage to grab hold of one of the conspirators the rest comes tumbling out. IMO
 
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Do we have any official or mainstream sources saying that this person has been determined to be not connected to the case?
Considering he was released without questioning and then allowed to speak to the media - I think it’s pretty clear they don’t think he is connected.

If they had any evidence linking him after the search he’d have been taken for questioning
 
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There is no wheel chair. NG uses a cane only.
This. There is no wheelchair.
She uses a cane. She is able to get herself in and out of Ubers.
 
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If it's true as reported last night that there was a warrant pursuant to his being stopped and detained, let's hope it's something more. And yet he was released, so it makes you wonder what they really had.
Yes, they would have a good reason to do this, even if it’s a tip they received. They questioned and released him, but maybe he’s totally innocent, or they need to check into something more and see if he’s arrested. My worries are some people might try to send in bogus tips and it sends LE to check out and waste time on the tips not being legitimate at all. They’d be a fool to do this, but some think they’re so smart.
 
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Exactly I think the idea that she never made it home is less than likely at this point given the info we have...imo
Yeah between the video footage, blood spatter, and device data there seems to be no logical theory that could account for all of that and place her somewhere else during the relevant time period.
 
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The story of AG and SIL should be easily corroborated and it should be possible to eliminate them quickly.

Some detail cannot be independently confirmed, it just isn't clear what it is yet.

LE will look for the objective evidence for the things they claimed happened: We dropped her off, We came home, We stayed home- Their phones, video at the Circle K, their home Wifi, their alarm system, their external cameras, search of their car, neighbors cameras etc.. should all agree.
Sure it is possible that there is additional info I agree that we are not privy to however I truly would not be surprised that, because they can't eliminate them (since they were home asleep) and they have nothing else to go on they are reverting back to what usually happens (last seen with and close family). JMO. If that is the case then they really need to exhaust this and make it clear they are not being considered as having harmed her that night.
 
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For attention from SG. To insert himself into the family..CRAZY people do crazy things. I also believe ransom was real. A way to gain attention and have SG twist and beg. Power and control. "SG, you never answered my instagram posts..you ignored me. NOW, I am making you acknowledge me." Think like a wacko, everyone.. and my theory will be plausible. JMO and BTW. I dont know what a sophisticated kidnaping looks like but he has managed to avoid apprehension for 10 days. Clearly, he had most of his ducks in a row. OCD type personality with rejection/ abandonment issues and need for acknowledgement from his fantasy girlfriend SG. JMO Think JODI FOSTER AND HINKLEY type nutty. MOO
Savannah is a 55 year old married mother of two. Unlikely a fan is obsessed with her to think of her as an imaginary gf. Jodi Foster was a teen sensation when the Reagan incident happened. MOO
 
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Do we have any official or mainstream sources saying that this person has been determined to be not connected to the case?
If your talking about CP. He was a POI, they haven't even cleared the family. They are not going to "clear" a guy they picked up on a random tip that didn't pan out unless he starts getting harassed or threatened and they take mercy on him.
 
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Everyone here plus millions of others have googled NG’s name! I find it hard to believe that was the reason LE detained this person. There’s something else…IMO
Maybe he Googled her name prior to the abduction
 
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In the third note sent to TMZ, the person claimed they tried to contact Annie and Savannah’s brother, Cameron, to no avail. I’m not sure how accurate that is. If it’s true though, why wouldn’t they also try reaching out to Savannah?
 
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I read this morning that they were moving swat teams and bomb technicians on to her property. I'm just wondering if she even left the property. She may be hidden or buried in her home or on her property.

DBM: duplicate question.
 
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Sure it is possible that there is additional info I agree that we are not privy to however I truly would not be surprised that, because they can't eliminate them (since they were home asleep) and they have nothing else to go on they are reverting back to what usually happens (last seen with and close family). JMO. If that is the case then they really need to exhaust this and make it clear they are not being considered as having harmed her that night.
I don't think they caught them in a lie, if they did one of them would be detained for questioning and we would know.

I think some aspect of what they said cannot be independently verified and so LE is looking for that.
 
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If LE had enough info on C (who did not live near either AG or NG) to detain him, why were LE searching the brush near AG's home just a couple hours before that?

Detaining that poor man was following up on a lead. There are hundreds of people working this case, and hundreds of leads to follow up on. The rest of the investigation does not come to a halt each time one of those is looked at.
 
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In the third note sent to TMZ, the person claimed they tried to contact Annie and Savannah’s brother, Cameron, to no availl. I’m not sure how accurate that is. If it’s true though, why wouldn’t they also try reaching out to Savannah?
Because Savannah probably has had her private info wiped from the people info sites. A lot of people in the public figure pay to have that done
 
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I think there's more than one person involved in this. I don't think lantana man looks capable of pulling this off alone. And like most conspiracies once you manage to grab hold of one of the conspirators the rest comes tumbling out. IMO
Definitely 2, but wouldn’t be surprised to hear many more involved. IMO
 

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