AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Bluewing3102]

Just thinking back to reports at the very beginning of this case. Homicide detectives were called in almost immediately and the sheriff did call the home a crime scene. (Granted, a kidnapping could also be called a crime scene, but it sounded like more. And I suppose the blood could have made them think that, but still.) They have never said what the inside of the house showed.

The very first TMZ article on this on February 2:
Per this article, the Pima County Sheriff's Office noted on their briefing today that, "disturbing or concerning circumstances were found at the home, prompting homicide detectives to assist in the investigation."

'TODAY' Anchor Savannah Guthrie’s Mom Missing

Authorities in Arizona are searching for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of 'TODAY' anchor Savannah Guthrie, who was reported missing under what authorities are calling concerning circumstances.

www.tmz.com

And:
The motive remains a mystery. Investigators do not believe at this point that the abduction was part of a robbery, home invasion or kidnapping-for-ransom plot, the person said.

Searchers used drones and search dogs and were supported by volunteers and Border Patrol. The homicide team was also involved, Nanos said Sunday. The FBI has offered to help, sheriff's department spokesperson Angelica Carrillo said.

On Monday morning, Nanos said search crews had been pulled back.

"We don't see this as a search mission so much as it is a crime scene," the sheriff said.

WATCH: Sheriff holds news conference on search for Savannah Guthrie's missing mother

Nancy Guthrie must be found soon because she could die without her medication, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos said Tuesday, urging whoever has her to free her.

www.pbs.org

Granted things have evolved regarding the no search, no kidnaping for ransom, etc., but he did call the home a crime scene. And they had no video at that time.

IMO it was quickly considered a crime scene due to the family's connections. SG called the Senator on her way to airport to fly to AZ on Sunday. AG and TC knew their mom wouldn't just vanish on her own and probably signs of missing camera, blood out front. Ultimately the pressure from AZ senator is what made LE quickly treat it as a criminal investigation. IMHO

 

[Spectrix]

One thing that trips me up is the 1:47 to 2:28 time frame. That's an awful long time for kidnappers to remain in the house. Especially if the place wasn't ransacked or showing signs of robbery. What were they doing that whole time? I can't imagine it would take long to subdue a frail, elderly woman and squirrel her out of there?

It's likely he got distracted by the second camera and spent 15 minutes trying to obscure it with flowers like he did with the first one.

 

[tbgo]

I sometimes wonder if we’re making this mystery more complicated than it ought to be, that we’re treating the perp as some sort of criminal mastermind and overlooking something so obvious because that would be “just too easy.” The clues may be staring us right in the face. I hope this crime doesn’t go cold. I wonder at what point, time wise, a case is considered to be heading in that direction. It would have been better if we hadn’t heard that a person was brought in. Now, we know that they truly don’t have a prime suspect. Had things gone quiet we would have thought that maybe they had someone under surveillance. Their suspect has now been let go.

Hate being a Debbie Downer, but those are my thoughts right now. I wonder if the family will end up hiring their own private investigator.

 

[marloweclover]

Fireman carry. I was trained to do that carry in the military and was able to transport men as heavy as me that way. If NG was carried out the front door this way the blood would indeed drip behind the person doing the carrying. IMO
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I had thought that imo this was a strong possibility for how there'd be unsmeared, un-stepped on blood. Also imo someone not too experienced could easily cause the blood this way by hitting NG's head while maneuvering through the door or trying to turn to close it.

 

[auburnmomof2]

Does anyone know how far a pacemaker has to be from a phone before it disconnects?

One thing that trips me up is the 1:47 to 2:28 time frame. That's an awful long time for kidnappers to remain in the house. Especially if the place wasn't ransacked or showing signs of robbery. What were they doing that whole time? I can't imagine it would take long to subdue a frail, elderly woman and squirrel her out of there?

My understanding is it is a Bluetooth connection. So however far that distance is.
Jmho

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Does anyone have a theory about the driveway, the garage location, if house was accessed in the back-- and why front camera was tampered with at all, if all activity were taking place on the side or rear of house? Is it possible down front walk to waiting vehicle was simply the fastest, shortest way to remove NG? (That enclosed entrance shields alot.). But perps entered from rear or side? -- Does anyone know how close houses were to NG's at the rear or side? I've been to this area in the past and houses can be staggered on varying levels, on hills and canyons. I haven't seen exact location of house.

 

[tbgo]

My understanding is it is a Bluetooth connection. So however far that distance is.
Jmho

From Google:

The Bluetooth connection between a pacemaker and a phone app typically cuts out around 10 to 30 feet.

 

[slueth1111]

Which pack - the X tacking on the straps is present on both.

Yes I see it now. The night vision just enhanced it. Thanks

 

[Napoli]

Leaning towards this. If this was the plan, and she passed immediately from shock, could explain why the prep was in the house for so long. Awaiting further instructions? Freaking out and trying to figure out what to do with the body?

MOO

EVERYONE, RIGHT NOW, what is the maximum amount you can take in ONE day from your ATM? Check it! It's around 1200 dollars give or take. NO ONE would go to this elaborate extent with guns, full body disguise, and loaded backpack to take someone to an ATM for that amount. Additionally, going to an ATM exposes faces from that camera too. NOT an ATM robbery. IMO

 

[justme11]

Watching the LE search of the neighborhood yesterday I saw a woman with two dogs on leashes walking with the officers. She even had them sniff a shed at one of the locations.

Ooh good! I missed that. I was thinking maybe they aren't taking them out because of the terrain and the stickers, prickers, poker thingys on the cacti.

 

[tlcya]

Does anyone have a theory about the driveway, the garage location, if house was accessed in the back-- and why front camera was tampered with at all, if all activity were taking place on the side or rear of house? Is it possible down front walk to waiting vehicle was simply the fastest, shortest way to remove NG? (That enclosed entrance shields alot.). But perps entered from rear or side? -- Does anyone know how close houses were to NG's at the rear or side? I've been to this area in the past and houses can be staggered on varying levels, on hills and canyons. I haven't seen exact location of house.

that was my thought, may have been easiest to remove NG by the front door, regardless of how they initially gained entrance to the home.

 

[Der Detektiv]

EVERYONE, RIGHT NOW, what is the maximum amount you can take in ONE day from your ATM? Check it! It's around 1200 dollars give or take. NO ONE would go to this elaborate extent with guns, full body disguise, and loaded backpack to take someone to an ATM for that amount. Additionally, going to an ATM exposes faces from that camera too. NOT an ATM robbery. IMO

Most people have multiple cards.

 

[Turkeytrot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021643374122664139

 

[browneyes]

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[tlcya]

EVERYONE, RIGHT NOW, what is the maximum amount you can take in ONE day from your ATM? Check it! It's around 1200 dollars give or take. NO ONE would go to this elaborate extent with guns, full body disguise, and loaded backpack to take someone to an ATM for that amount. Additionally, going to an ATM exposes faces from that camera too. NOT an ATM robbery. IMO

yours doesn't account for the extreme stupidity of some criminals. JMO your points are good ones, but I don't discount the fact that some people are just plain dumb and dangerous.

 

[captdj]

I'm curious whether or not NG actually answered the front door or if the intruder actually didn't get in and went to the back door and forced his way in order to gain entrance.

I believe there were photos early on of a floodlight near the back door that was broken and hanging down.

Obviously it would have had to of been fairly quickly as to not give NG time to dial 911 unless she didn't hear the nest alert. moo


Edited to add: Obviously they had to of likely at least exited thru the front door due to the blood etc. But just something I've been wondering about.

Wondered what are the lights in the distance? is it a waiting car., You can see some reflection of something in the road in the 1st photo that the fbi released. maybe front door was planned.

 

[Bluewing3102]

I'm listening to scanner and someone reported a ski mask found in an alley by their home 19 min away from NG house. No news source has confirmed this yet so not official and just my speculation

 

[Cindizzi]

The private helicopter was a suggestion, I didn’t say anything about gondolas - that was another user - (but did ask if there were any rivers in the area).

As for the “animal attack”, I suggested animals could have eaten her body, not that she died because of an animal attack.

It’s simply a case of looking at the case from a different angle. I apologise if it has confused or upset anybody.

I’m not piling on . I think you’re doing fine. I do agree with OP that we don’t need any confusion on such a fast moving thread. I’ve NEVER seen one move this fast. Maybe say “ I’m just speculating “ in your posts . We ALL speculate and throw out theories on here.
We who have been here longer should be using shorthand for that so newer users will see it and pick it up. I think some of us have forgotten to do that due to the speed of the thread. ( MOO )
Examples:

IMO =. In my opinion
JMO = Just my Opinion
IMHO = In my honest opinion
MOO = My Own Opinion.

Hope this helps! I remember when new members would ask “ why is everyone Moo-ing ? “. Lol

 

[aamillaa]

EVERYONE, RIGHT NOW, what is the maximum amount you can take in ONE day from your ATM? Check it! It's around 1200 dollars give or take. NO ONE would go to this elaborate extent with guns, full body disguise, and loaded backpack to take someone to an ATM for that amount. Additionally, going to an ATM exposes faces from that camera too. NOT an ATM robbery. IMO

Very true! Maybe the interest was in a bitcoin ATM. Several several several pages back, someone found a couple in the area.

unlikely, but everything in this case seems so odd.

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[The OG]

Looking like he was coming from the yard ... not straight up the walkway.. wasn't there a roof camera on the front?

As much as we'd like, he wouldn't park in the camera's view and walk straight up to the door.