AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[EyeCandy]

so many vehicles at that residence across the street. Was it being remodeled, etc

 

[An Interloper]

We've had decades of domestic terrorism risk from white nationalists and neo-nazis. If you want to examine the terrorism angle, you can add them to the list too.

So much so, the FBI needed to update the definition of certain aspects of domestic terror lest people get the idea the real boogeymen have been in the house the whole time.

Not to mention, I'm old enough to remember when it was Al Qaeda sleeper cells. "Foreign terrorists at the souther border" is a tale as old as time.

Nuttin new under the sun...

 

[Jessthinkin]

Yeah. It’s super easy to find phone numbers for the entire family, with the exception of Savannah.

No surprise.

And I was shocked to find the address for Nancy very easily publicly available, still! The Today Show featured an 8-minute segment in November, showing her going back to Tucson. It included her mom on camera, and the information that she still lived in Tucson. That, coupled with her very easily available online street address, could've encouraged some criminal opportunists...

 

[SMK777]

I agree . I know of several cases I’ve followed over the years that the suspects have gotten away with murder. They aren’t very bright at all, they just had luck and circumstances on their side.

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[TwoBlueJays]

Given that up until yesterday, we didn't know there was a blood trail going beyond the initial spot on NG's porch that we had seen from the beginning, I would wonder what else has been known from the beginning that we don't know about yet.

Far, far back in this ginormous thread, it was stated and sourced many times that the dried blood spots identified by LE as NG DNA began at the front door and continued along the driveway.

 

[Sessiebo]

It does seem strange that many of their lights are on at such a late hour. The lights stand out.

For me it's not that strange tbh. The xmas lights in my garden are there all yr around. In summertime they are just renamed as fairy lights
Also have a lot of solar powered lights that automatically turn on at night and at the front door a light because there are cameras and nightvision on them isn't always a good view incase someone is at the door.

 

[moonglow123]

Ah yes, and maybe pool stuff? I'm familiar with desert swimming pools - so presumably it could have 50 lb containers of chlorine tablets in there. Just hoping they peeked inside.

I think it’s a casita/guest house for family members or guests to stay in. I hope they looked in it too, I’m sure they did.

 

[The OG]

I hope they looked at her wifi router to see if his phone tried to sync. There woukd have been some type of data packets they might could recover.

Bringing your own phone along to commit burglary would be foolish.

 

[m00c0w]

Are you suggesting they might have claimed exigency due to a tip, just to keep from showing a sealed warrant to the homeowner? They have to claim in a search warrant what they are looking for. Let's say they find do that and find something critical not covered by the warrant? Any defense attorney who takes that case could get that evidence thrown out pretty easily. And possibly charges dismissed.

Huh?

The warrant is sealed. The homeowner has no idea what’s in the affidavit for the search warrant. When asked why police are there, they can respond with “Because we received a tip that [whatever makes sense].” They are under no obligation to reveal what is in the sealed affidavit, and sealing would be completely pointless if that wasn’t the case.

Do they have to leave the warrant and attachments describing places to be searched and items to be seized? Yes. Does that mean they have to reveal evidence in a kidnapping investigation? No. Not until the affidavit is unsealed.

JMO

 

[desert-blue]

My thinking too, I'm trying to imagine why the perp would walk up with no backpack and no gun, see the camera ad then go put on the (stuffed full) backpack and weapon to return and disable the camera. IMO everything about this case is weird including this part.

The pic with no backpack has to be BEFORE, because after he disabled and removed the camera, it would stop recording anything, at least from the location on the doorbell.

edited for clarification

 

[EJB123456]

I think it’s a casita/guest house for family members or guests to stay in. I hope they looked in it too, I’m sure they did.

No I'm referring to the doors on the outside back of the guest house, looks like storage.

 

[Irmese]

That is interesting and it's something I've been considering. Most people are sure this is motivated by money/ransom, and maybe it is, and probably still the most likely motive, but I'll say it doesn't fit the typical ransom case.

No clear line of communication. No proof of life. Why haven't they provided this by now? Why haven't they given some type of definitive proof they are the actual kidnappers? I mean, we're almost two weeks into this and LE still doesn't know with 100% certainty the ransom notes are from the actual kidnappers.

The fact that this case doesn't exhibit the usual steps that ransom cases take has left the door open for me that there is some other motive here. And one of those possibilities I wondered about was did Savannah Guthrie have some obsessed stalker fan... he went to that house expecting to kidnap Savannah and not her mother? He was surprised about who was inside, and then kidnapped her as some sort of demented consolation prize? This doesn't seem super likely either, because I figure if someone was after Savannah and didn't find her there, they'd just flee. But nothing about this case fits the typical makings of what you usually see in these types of cases.

If he was a stalker fan, he would know she lives in NYC. If he knew NG was her mother, I think it was because he knows someone who knows the family. He could just as well be the gardener's SIL as NG's SIL. I think it is someone who is tangentially connected, which can be hard to connect.

I don't think kidnapping was his regular job, for sure. I trust LE when they say this isn't a typical case, but I think a typical kidnapping would be very hard to do now (thinking of Lindburgh, Patty Hearst, and a local bank VP kidnapped from a tiny town in SC in 1976). I imagine that the kidnapper was already panicking after taking NG, but when her disappearance was made public, I bet that just added to his panic.

 

[EyeCandy]

As far as I can tell, the lights belong to the house across the road from Nancy -

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so many vehicles in that screenshot at house across the way, outlined by red arrow. If that is current was the house being worked on, etc you see no cars anywhere else

 

[LarryLujack]

FBI at AG home?

 

[Inthedetails]

Far, far back in this ginormous thread, it was stated and sourced many times that the dried blood spots identified by LE as NG DNA began at the front door and continued along the driveway.

Yes. we've known for awhile the blood drops go down the walk.

 

[justwannahelp]

Something isn’t adding up. An anonymous tip isn’t usually divulged to stir up drama like this. Also, I don’t believe you can get a search warrant for a home based on the shape of someone’s eyes.

So many things aren’t even making sense right now in this case. I’m not even sure releasing the security footage right away was a good idea. It’s wasting time when the public isn’t really going to recognize someone based on the pics given.

I’d recognize someone dressed like that if it was someone i knew well. If it was my brother, my son, or my best friend’s husband, my brother in law, or my husband’s best friend, for example. I’d recognize any those aforementioned people in my life even if they were masked.

 

[bkgregg5]

Given that up until yesterday, we didn't know there was a blood trail going beyond the initial spot on NG's porch that we had seen from the beginning, I would wonder what else has been known from the beginning that we don't know about yet.

If I recall, BE originally reported (several days ago) that there was a blood trail going from the front door, down to the sidewalk to where it hits the drive/road. I think for some of us here since the beginning, it was on the first few pages of the thread. He noticed it as soon as they released the scene....the first time.

 

[nodamselindistress]

I would just like confirmation that they looked in here. What even is that? Is it locked? (Yes I know a lot of time has passed.)

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https://www.azcentral.com/picture-g...earch-nancy-guthrie-house-photos/88560357007/

This looks similar to a fireplace I had at one of my houses. It was a fireplace w/o a chimney and venting was through this structure. Just a maybe, it does not look 100% identical.

 

[j322]

And I was shocked to find the address for Nancy very easily publicly available, still! The Today Show featured an 8-minute segment in November, showing her going back to Tucson. It included her mom on camera, and the information that she still lived in Tucson. That, coupled with her very easily available online street address, could've encouraged some criminal opportunists...

It is not hard to find just about anyone’s address. They can hide it through LLC’s but trust me, still very easy to connect dots and find out who lives where.

 

[kirsa]

Bringing your own phone along to commit burglary would be foolish.

Bryan Kohberger basically did. Incriminated himself by turning it before and after the Idaho murders