AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Just catching up & missed a lot. On the search of neighborhood yards, washes, medians, etc for the camera; sometimes to get rid of contraband or evidence, criminals will tuck such things in other people's garbage cans. Most ppl dont notice such things when they're tossing their garbage bags in their outside cans. Then the evidence is carried away by the trash hauler, never noticed. I'm wondering why the FBI searchers didnt look in garbage cans. Had they already been picked up before this search?
 
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It does seem strange that many of their lights are on at such a late hour. The lights stand out.

Perhaps they stay up late reading Webslueths 😅
 
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While the person is in a ski mask?
While highly unlikely, maybe they pulled it off once they felt confident the camera had been disabled so that they would appear less threatening or familiar. No idea. People can sometimes be so smart that they’re stupid. No one knows exactly what happened.
 
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BE says that they’re back at AG’s house. They took more stuff. Maybe they left some equipment there or are bringing stuff over to the family. Same goes for retrieving their mail for them.
 
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Patel: FBI has ‘persons of interest’ in Nancy Guthrie case

 
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Yes. I have to think that the goal was kidnapping for ransom (most likely) and Nancy was injured in the process. However, I also think she probably succumbed to her injury or for some other reason died after a very short time in captivity; hence, no “proof of life” forthcoming. Because there there was none to give.
Look for her body in the desert. Logical. Over 5,000 immigrant bodies there (estimate), and unless they stumble across them, they aren't found. 90 days to a complete skeleton.
 
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Sometimes the motive is "just because."

It might be as unimaginable as that.

jmo

Kidnapping though? That seems personal.

At the risk of sounding cold, why would you bother moving an 84-year old lady when it's easier to NOT move her? It just adds risk and work.
 
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After viewing surveillance from a local Circle K, LE seized NG’s vehicle and some have reasoned that her vehicle was seen on that surveillance during the hours she would be presumed to be home given her family’s claim they delivered her there.

But NG’s vehicle was in her garage when LE investigated her disappearance and LE reported that her keys were at the home (presumably in her purse, although I suppose she could store them on a key rack or something).

Why would a kidnapper take NG’s vehicle? Presumably, so no evidence of NG is found in their own vehicle (and if NG bled as being removed from her home, blood in particular would be a concern).

And would a kidnapper who has taken NG from her home in her own vehicle and made her disappear then risk later returning that vehicle to her home to park it in the garage?

It seems a monumental risk for a random kidnapper to take, returning to the scene of such a serious crime with the victim’s vehicle and reaccessing her garage. It risks returning AFTER her absence is discovered, and doubles the risk of being detected at her home at all. I wonder - were any of NG’s blood drips (or evidence such were cleaned up) found in her vehicle?
I’ve considered NG car was being borrowed by AG.NG took an uber to AG house to either visit or pick up her car.Did AG or SIL drive her home in her own car and decided to return it later.The garage door may have opened more times than we are lead to believe.
 
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BE says that they’re back at AG’s house. They took more stuff. Maybe they left some stuff there. Perhaps they’re also retrieving their mail for them.
Unless they are simply collecting mail and other various items for the family.

They don't appear to be staying too long.
 
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PHOENIX (AP) — Chris Nanos has had a long career in law enforcement, but he admits he isn’t used to the amount of scrutiny that has come with leading the investigation into the disappearance of “Today” show host Savannah Guthrie’s mother.

With the case now in its second week, Nanos has also acknowledged missteps, including that he probably should have waited longer to relinquish Nancy Guthrie’s home to her family after his detectives finished combing through it for evidence.

And critics, including a fellow Democrat, called him out for going to a University of Arizona basketball game last weekend while the victim was still missing.

 
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IMO-no. This makes the least sense along with cartels. iMO there is no logical reason an Iranian sleeper cell (especially with the turmoil going on in Iran right now) is going to target a random American celebrity’s mom with zero ties to to the Middle East. IMO I don’t see how that is logical

It's just a theory that makes sense to me now in light of the different direction with the appeals, the man captured at Nancy's door, and the FBI conducting specific searches.

The man had a backpack and the Sheriff originally stated Nancy was taken, "against her will."

If the ransom letter writer is the perp(s)
They requested a specific amount - 6 million bitcoin.

FBI stated "multiple persons of interest."

Other theories are not panning out.

What is your theory?
 
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Does anyone who was watching the evening that 3 Sheriiff’s deputies visited AG’s home in darkness and went inside the house and garage and used a flash camera and possibly Luminol testing know whether any of that Luminol testing was done in the driveway leading out of AG’s garage?

ETA: I think it was Brian Entin who provided video but I have not yet found that.
Come to think of it, has there been ANY Luminol testing at NG's home?
 
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I’m not sure what you mean. How would they be sending that Polaroid photo? If as an attachment, that still goes back to what I’m saying.. giving additional digital information makes the email source easier to trace. By digital information, I’m not referring to digital camera’s photo information.
It would be taken at Nancy's house as they took her and placed at the scene or under a windscreen wiper at AGs

I am from a country where this was commonplace in the 70s and 80s and has gone on in kidnappings up till 5 years ago
 
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Could it a bunch of weirdo teens/young group of people working together, not in unison, explaining the stupidity of the ransom (seems like an afterthought if genuine) and trying to get in/dealing with the door cam? If so, then one of them will probably crack. People are still leaning towards this being a one-on-one personal attack.

Someone brought up the Zizian cult. That’s an interesting theory.
This is not the MO of the Zizians. They are anarchist criminals. Their crimes are quasi politically motivated. (Sorta like Charles Manson's were) I know they attack authority figures (landlords who won't let them squat) and law enforcement. I don't see that here.
 
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I can only respond how

My experience is only with my Bluetooth, but I wouldn't think it would disconnect within the house. If I leave my phone at home, I get an alert on my car screen saying my phone is disconnected. I'm usually several houses away before that happens. I have no clue if a more expensive phone handles it better or if it's even possible, but I just have a little Android.
The timeout length before an alert is triggered may be fairly long on your car too. I have a Bluetooth speaker in my kitchen. If I just walk 10ft away to the dining room then the connection will begin to cut out. The pacemaker uses a low power connection over Bluetooth and wouldn’t have the antennas a larger device (such as a car for example) might have, or unlimited power to maintain a connection over long distances.
 
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I thought he/she looks very calm. Didn't stress over seeing the camera, no frantic movements. IMO, this type of demeanor would be helpful in getting an elderly person to cooperate with you.
Interesting observation! Not only is Nancy elderly, she typically used a hearing aid and it was the middle of the night. The kidnapper's casual demeanor and slower pace would have facilitated processing in a frightening, confusing situation. It'd be more likely to induce compliance.
 
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I asked earlier this morning how they identified the person who was detained because I thought he said he didn’t know why they suspected him. I was told that it was because of cell phone tower data but I just found the video with him again and he DEFINITELY said he does not know how. Could someone please link the source that says it was from cell phone tower data? If there is no source, please do not present assumptions as facts, it makes things confusing :)
 
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It will disconnect, generally speaking, within 10-33ft or so depending on the environment (walls, etc).
And to clarify further, this does not in any way stop the pacemaker from continuing to work. It only prevents the data from being transmitted for monitoring. The pacemaker will continue until its own internal battery runs out, generally not for many years. NG should be safe as far as her pacemaker continuing to work.
 

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