AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Since this guy has a tattoo that is partly visible on his wrist-- does anyone know if Arizona prisons take pictures of inmates tattoos? It's not unlikely this guy has served time before.
 
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I am speculating here but wonder if she could have been carried off in a delivery van and is probably still being held in it? The delivery van could be conveniently out for repair or something and parked in some repair lot. I wonder if they let C go because they wanted to see if he would lead them to NG. He hasn’t been cleared, has he?
Emphasis mine.
Not officially.

Eta : According to the post below and NBC he has been cleared !


They didnt have to move her because she wasn't at the residence as she had been harmed elsewhere?
Keep thinking well she reurned home and then ...
But we don't know if she returned home after the dinner and game night, only other people saying they dropped her off ?
It'd be helpful if LE would say definitively that they know she was home by 9:45 pm or whenever the exact time was ?
I suspect they're not saying as they don't know, even now ?
Imo.
 
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Yea I think they keep just regrouping and going over the same spots. It seems to be they are trying to find something b/c they just don't have much so they start over again I get it they shoud have recanvassed from the start and look again with something new but they look kind of lost..to me
Revise "kind of" to "very."
 
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Thanks for this. I don't know. If there was an unplanned "altercation", or other such event that led to NG's death, why remove the body?
Also, if this is the case, can we assume that the man on the porch in the video had entered the place somewhere else and, at this point, he was simply trying to figure out if the best way to extract her was via the front door? I don't know. That doesn't really work in my book. However, if he's there to "frighten" NG, and approaching the front door to do so, why the back pack? And why the layers? Everyone seems to agree that he's double gloved. Why would he do that if he's only there to frighten her? Hmmm.
I agree. I just found all his "info" interesting and will be very interesting to see if any of it ends up being true.
 
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I was thinking maybe someone inpersonated a police officer and somehow got her to crack open the door. At this point we just don't know how they got in.
If that's true, it wasn't the person we saw on camera dressed like a burglar. She wouldn't have cracked the door if she could see him.
 
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Since this guy has a tattoo that is partly visible on his wrist-- does anyone know if Arizona prisons take pictures of inmates tattoos? It's not unlikely this guy has served time before.
looked like a watch strap to me.
jmo
 
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You don't seem to understand that it could be that the perpetrator needed to stage a crime scene at NG house to try to steer LE away from looking at where she had really been harmed.
So you really think the perpetrator put Nancy's own blood on her steps after harming her in another location away from her house? Highly unlikely.
 
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It was never there because she had been harmed elsewhere prior to that? The perpetrator may only have been there to try to fake a crime scene to point LE away from where she really had been harmed.
She had to have been abducted from her home; there's no other rational explanation for the liquid blood trail at the front door and down the sidewalk. It wasn't there at the time of the doorbell cam footage released yesterday.
It would be difficult to collect and place blood at a scene later because it would coagulate.
 
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I think the family has lost faith in LE.
I hope this PI is akin to Jack Reacher. Move aside and let the man go through.
 
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She had to have been abducted from her home; there's no other rational explanation for the liquid blood trail at the front door and down the sidewalk. It wasn't there at the time of the doorbell cam footage released yesterday.
It would be difficult to collect and place blood at a scene later because it would coagulate.
Also LE have been using the words "abducted" or "taken" since the very beginning of the investigation which leads me to believe they have other undisclosed evidence that supports that scenario
 
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Since this guy has a tattoo that is partly visible on his wrist-- does anyone know if Arizona prisons take pictures of inmates tattoos? It's not unlikely this guy has served time before.
What tattoo? I haven't seen one in the photos, nor have I seen any official reference to a tattoo? Are you able to cite a source?
 
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Has anyone considered that the images they released from the door camera are NOT THE ONLY IMAGES they have from the camera? It is likely the battery operated on the camera long after it was removed from the mount. I'm guessing that LE has pictures from that camera showing it in scrub somewhere and THAT is why they were looking in Folks yards yesterday and in NG's yard today. They would know the camera was discarded, in scrub, and how soon after it was removed from the mount, so that narrows the distance it could be significantly. Just a thought, fwiw, IMHO.
No, no. If they didn’t find something the first time they searched, even if new evidence comes up, they have to abandon the search from that point forward. Otherwise random uninvolved people will complain about law enforcement doing their job.

JMO
 
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Seems like the Feds had more of a knee jerk reaction to their own investigation and likely felt pressure to take some kind of action against somebody and went for a hail mary. Some random guy delivering packages in Nancy's neighborhood with similar physical features.

One thing I don't think people are aware of, if the Feds bust down your door and do any kind of damage to your house or property, the car tearing it apart, etc., even if you are innocent, you will not be compensated for the damage they caused. This can be a serious financial burden to lower income people.
Not necessarily true. A Texas homeowner recently won under Texas ‘State’ Law. https://ij.org/press-release/victor...m-destroyed-her-home-while-pursuing-fugitive/

There are other cases out there of LE entering the wrong address, destroying property that homeowners are filing cases. Trina Martin, Atlanta, GA home was raided in 2017. The case went to the Supreme Court challenging governments responsibility in ‘honest mistakes’ in wrong-house raids. The court ruled last summer that they are entitled to compensation under the Federal Tort Claims Act.
 
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Nah, just look back at all of the cases we thought maybe there was no lead on and then they provided some real eye-opener evidence!
Totally true! I was mostly just venting my frustration about how many people seem to have had access to traipse through that area in the last 10 days, disturbing and dropping who knows how much potential evidence or red herring non-evidence. MOO
 

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