AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[DancingMuse]

Not to me. The arch of the eyebrows looks different

Agreeing with you , Nothisshipsister. Thank you for your astute observations.

And, on the subject of the eyes:

As anyone in the Performing Arts, who is familiar with the language of "head shots", can tell you:

The suspect's eyes might be classified as "upturned" or "almond" -- shaped.

In addition, anyone in the Performing Arts can tell you:

a) the shape of the eyes can be changed temporarily by any head garb that pulls back the hair. (esp. pulled tightly)
b) the shape of the eyes can be changed by one, two, or certainly 3 masks that are worn on the face, pulled/or/pressing tightly, on the cheekbones esp.

This unfortunately means, the suspect's eyes may look quite differently-shaped, in "real-life", thus making him harder to identify by someone who knows him well.

Sigh.


(MOO)

 

[SMK777]

I’ve been curious as to what AI tools the FBI has to zero in on the images they extracted from the video…to see details of his clothing…but more importantly what his facial features might look like if the ski mask were removed.

I’m sure they’ve done a lot of detailed forensic work in that respect but have not released anything as such to the public to date.

Using publicly available tools, I decided to create a prompt and give it a novice try. NOTE that these are hypothetical images to guess at features and do not represent the likenesses of any specific individual.

He could have been a movie star

 

[simlyme]

ecently, I stumbled upon the original press conference again---and I noticed that Nanos said---paraphrasing:

"I'm going to guess it was about 11am when her friends noticed she was not at church, and they called her family..."


And in a more recent presser he gives a more exact time--about 45 minutes later----so he was just talking out of his butt the first time.

Pretty much! I just got done at The facebook, Pima County Sheriffs page and went bck and listened to EVERY press conference from day 1. I had to hook up some headphones to hear every word because he speaks too low. He's changed time a few times . This time period to me is crucial and should be reported accurately.
There's a big difference between making a 911 call in almost 1 hour and one in 5-7 minutes
We can't know what is accurate unless we see when that 911 call was made. MOO

 

[HerNameWasBuffy]

They may be nitrile or butyl. The thicker butyl gloves for chemical handling are like space suit gloves and resist acid. It looks like her wore that variety.

In either case, it would be hard to get a grip on anything, much less get a finger in the trigger guard of the gun. It's a very odd choice. You can see him fumbling when he handles the doorbell cam then goes to pick up the latanas. If he was confronted with an armed defender he would be at a great disadvantage drawing and handling a firearm w/ those gloves on.

I actually use these gloves in my workshop for cleaning guns, or using harsh solvents for stripping/refinishing firearms (using Acetone, M.E.K. and other chemical strippers). They are hella cumbersome.

We use these at work for MEK use as well and I agree completely about how cumbersome they are. I cannot imagine anyone thinking they would be a good idea to use if you needed any dexterity. I'd have a hard time turning a doorknob wearing them, pulling a trigger would be impossible.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

I’ve been curious as to what AI tools the FBI has to zero in on the images they extracted from the video…to see details of his clothing…but more importantly what his facial features might look like if the ski mask were removed.

I’m sure they’ve done a lot of detailed forensic work in that respect but have not released anything as such to the public to date.

Using publicly available tools, I decided to create a prompt and give it a novice try. NOTE that these are hypothetical images to guess at features and do not represent the likenesses of any specific individual.

I don’t think AI generated images are allowed to be posted.

 

[Cryptic]

However, I wonder if NG helped them out financially as they were close to her. Meanwhile, the other siblings moved away and do well for themselves. Maybe they needed a loan or to get out of financial trouble and NG declined help

I think such an overall scenario is possible. Perhaps:

- A distant relative, fictionally named "Bad news Barbara" has approached the victim for years for cash using references to: Faith in God and love of family, confusing bad luck stories, tear jerker sob stories and.... even a dash of raw intimidation.

- The Fictional Bad News Barbara world changes when she is cut off-cold turkey. She then recruits the fictional "Bill"- her 2X ago boyfriend whom she still likes- sort of, and maybe another accomplice promised "bands of cash".

- Their over all plan is vague. "Bill" goes James Bond and disables the cameras. The trio then arrive at the house. Start with an intimidating hard luck story and see what the victim is good for. As an alternative, they intend to "borrow" any bling and the bands of cash that rap legend and lore dictates that the wealthy must possess.

- The victim, however, refuses to cooperate and the intimidation is dialed up. Intimidation turns to anger when there is none of the imagined bling and cash. Feeling shame at being out manuvered by an elderly victim, the trio then does something impulsively, and horribly violent.

- After concealing the body, the trio is then amused and relieved when unknown, but fellow criminal "pig butcherers" opportunistically start sending false ransom notes and bit coin instructions?

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[thefragile7393]

Has anyone considered that the images they released from the door camera are NOT THE ONLY IMAGES they have from the camera? It is likely the battery operated on the camera long after it was removed from the mount. I'm guessing that LE has pictures from that camera showing it in scrub somewhere and THAT is why they were looking in Folks yards yesterday and in NG's yard today. They would know the camera was discarded, in scrub, and how soon after it was removed from the mount, so that narrows the distance it could be significantly. Just a thought, fwiw, IMHO.

IMO likely true

 

[pulchra73]

I appreciate you trying to learn more about the method and place of entry into NG's home because to me it seems like such a wild card question, given how large the home is, it's all one floor - who's to say the perps even went through a door? Could have been a window. Or multiple entry points. I don't think we even know if she has a security system and if so, how it operates (just movement in the home, just open/closing doors, windows?, was it on that night in its full capacity? sometimes people leave them off/forget especially on a late night). Broken into or keys/codes used? Entries already unlocked? Happens a lot where I grew up, less likely in Tucson I would imagine.

The weirdest thing about the Nest cam footage we've seen, to me/MOO, is that they were even at the front door, given all the other possibilities.

Yes, don't they have security cameras, alarm systems and sensor flood lights in that area? Home that size in the UK would be fully kitted out IMO

 

[Friday Fan]

They may be nitrile or butyl. The thicker butyl gloves for chemical handling are like space suit gloves and resist acid. It looks like her wore that variety.

In either case, it would be hard to get a grip on anything, much less get a finger in the trigger guard of the gun. It's a very odd choice. You can see him fumbling when he handles the doorbell cam then goes to pick up the latanas. If he was confronted with an armed defender he would be at a great disadvantage drawing and handling a firearm w/ those gloves on.

I actually use these gloves in my workshop for cleaning guns, or using harsh solvents for stripping/refinishing firearms (using Acetone, M.E.K. and other chemical strippers). They are hella cumbersome.

Oh yeah. I'm familiar with those.

I don't think the glove found on the road side is a buytl glove.

Exclusive | Investigators find black glove during hunt for Nancy Guthrie’s kidnappers — and The Post was there

Detectives recovered the clothing item, which resembles the pair worn by the armed perpetrator caught on video, about one and a half miles from Guthrie’s home.

nypost.com

 

[Inthedetails]

He represents Arizona as senator. A lot of people will call on their house and senate representatives for support.

NG is his constituent. It's not strange for SG to gather information, support, and resources in a time of distress. If you know a Senator, you call a Senator.

jmo

 

[Questions123]

Wow this thread moves fast...I take a quick break and I'm already 20 pages behind
If this was a random robbery then they didn't need to and wouldn't take NG imo. There are reports nothing was stolen from the house so that tells me NG was the target all along.
So with NG gone who gains something? Ilthere was pre planning involved in terms of disguise and the time of day this took place etc. I really still think this a crime by someone known to her even if they outsourced help with committing it.

 

[thefragile7393]

IMO I’d assume because he has nothing to do with it, then they would clear him. IMO nothing is wrong except having the “guilty eyes.”

I am actually suspicious because they cleared him. They haven’t cleared even the family officially but they cleared this guy and let him go after a brief chat with him? He is now my top suspect just because of that. They could be waiting to see if he leads them to Nancy

 

[Cassie P]

Yes but it seems that this isn't going well at all at this point how much longer do you give LE on their own. And SG hopefully has access to some better people, maybe retired FBI or recent people who left.

Yes and SG realizes the clock is ticking in terms of her mother's life. There is only a small window of time and perhaps SG doesn't want to waste one more day trusting LE/FBI.

 

[Puzzles8]

Oh no, I've been reading backwards to try and catch up and I've totally missed this info. Anyway someone could share a link to this information?

Here you go, article about the glove

FBI finds glove near Nancy Guthrie’s home as search continues

Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “Today” host Savannah Guthrie, was last seen at her home in Tucson, Arizona, on Jan. 31.

www.newsnationnow.com

JMO

 

[SMK777]

I think such an overall scenario is possible. Perhaps:

- A distant relative, fictionally named "Bad news Barbara" has approached the victim for years for cash using references to: Faith in God and love of family, confusing bad luck stories, tear jerker sob stories and.... even a dash of raw intimidation.

- The Fictional Bad News Barbara world changes when she is cut off-cold turkey. She then recruits the fictional "Bill"- her 2X ago boyfriend whom she still likes- sort of, and maybe another accomplice promised "bands of cash".

- Their over all plan is vague. "Bill" goes James Bond and disables the cameras. The trio then arrive at the house. Start with an intimidating hard luck story and see what the victim is good for. As an alternative, they intend to "borrow" any bling and the bands of cash that rap legend and lore dictates that the wealthy must possess.

- The victim, however, refuses to cooperate and the intimidation is dialed up. Intimidation turns to anger when there is none of the imagined bling and cash. Feeling shame at being out manuvered by an elderly victim, the trio then does something impulsively, and horribly violent.

- After concealing the body, the trio is then amused and relieved when unknown, but fellow criminal "pig butcherers" opportunistically start sending false ransom notes and bit coin instructions?

-

It's not outside the realm of possibility.

 

[thefragile7393]

What does the content of this post have to do with Nancy Guthrie?
Everything after the first sentence is totally off topic.
I hope this Forum can recover after this.

The content of this post is relevant to NG because this man was detained in connection to this case. Everything IMO is totally on topic

 

[MsMatlock]

He could have been a movie star

 

[SMK777]

Here you go, article about the glove

FBI finds glove near Nancy Guthrie’s home as search continues

Nancy Guthrie, the 84-year-old mother of “Today” host Savannah Guthrie, was last seen at her home in Tucson, Arizona, on Jan. 31.

www.newsnationnow.com

JMO

Sure hope something comes of it.

 

[MsMatlock]

I don’t think AI generated images are allowed to be posted.

Ok thanks I will delete the m

 

[thefragile7393]

This is what I posted earlier today: Some men tattoo their wrist with a cross. When they extend their arm, the cross is placed as seen in copied pic. Looking at perp’s wrist, I’m wondering if I see a cross due to the spacing from top to mid-section? EDIT TO ADD: the picture on left is from a Forbes news article, I did reference that in my initial post.

I’m sorry IMO I can’t see a tattoo