AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[cherryleaf]

Camera tampering at least shows us that this person had an awareness of consequences. This person expected the crime to occur indicating it was pre meditated to some degree. This person didn’t knock or smash blindly at things at the door or wander around. They appear to go straight to surveillance atop the door ( and apparently other areas of the property so that points to someone with at least some familiarly of the home. Disabling the camera took time and increased risk so this person was either highly confident of low traffic and or knew she was alone. This person is displaying at least some behaviors of tech knowledge and avoiding detection. They’re somewhat comfortable moving on foot in the dark, also they have at least some impulse control because they didn’t appear to get too flustered when disabling that camera.


To me this indicates a couple of things. There’s planned concealment with the gloves and mask specifically, night time approach to further conceal themselves, forensic awareness( gloves), disabling the cameras. This person(s) totally planned this and 100 percent an intentional crime took place. Nothing about this screams random intruder to me. MOO

 

[Cassie P]

I mean.. maybe? We only have a video and photos of one person at a time. I understand they are looking for "persons" of interest, but we have no information or evidence that indicates more than one person being involved.

The fact that the police and FBI have never characterized this as anything but a kidnapping is telling. They have not given any indication that anything was taken or missing from Nancy's house other than her. If you're going to remove a woman from her house, why not take valuables with you?

I don't know that I think she was randomly "kidnapped," I also feel fairly certain that this was not a b&e.

Besides, there are other houses in her neighborhood that likely don't have the same barrier of entry as her house did. NG's house had multiple cameras, a steel/iron front door, etc. Certainly she wasn't the easiest to break into, so you have to ask yourself... why?

Yes it could certainly be a kidnapping from start to finish. No robbery at all.
ETA: I have no pet theory or agenda. I am just discussing various theories.

 

[maskedwoman]

Disagree, why would there be a glove on the side of the road? Explain to me how it would get there, specifically relating it to this case.

I am not the OP but trash ends up on the side of the road ALL the time. My property has a decent amount of road frontage and I am constantly picking up gloves, shoes, caps, general trash, cups, fast food bags, beer bottles etc. that have been "kindly deposited" on my property. From the bed of a truck, or open window. Or from someone littering. It doesn't have to be on purpose.

 

[Strangeworld]

This was the white van report - I wonder if the vehicle they are looking for footage of is this one?

BBM

Nancy Guthrie’s neighbor reported suspicious white van parked on block days before 84-year-old went missing

Neighbors of Nancy Guthrie reported spotting a suspicious white van parked on their street in the days before the 84-year-old vanished.

nypost.com

Neighbors of Nancy Guthrie reported spotting a suspicious white van parked on their street in the days before the 84-year-old vanished.

Guthrie’s neighbor Brett McIntire told The Post on Thursday that he reported the unmarked van to the police, who asked him basic questions about what he observed in the days leading up to the disappearance of Savannah Guthrie’s 84-year-old mother.

“It was somewhere on that street. It was a white van, full-sized, with no printing on the sides. It was parked on the street,” said McIntire, who lives across from Nancy.

“Normally people that are coming to work on your home will have a company vehicle or if they’re independent, something written on it,” the 72-year-old added.

 

[shonyakay]

I don't think necessarily, though I think it depends on why you think they used the flowers to begin with.

I think they used them as a "grip" to help remove the camera. Before pulling them up, it looks like they looked around the porch for something else to use. Failing to find anything, the plant became the best option.

If you think they used the flowers to somehow disguise themselves, then maybe? I don't think this is the most likely reason, though, since they were able to mostly shield their face from the camera using their left hand prior to removing it.

A grip for what? Because of the gloves? That could be an option. It just seems like if it was family they already knew what they needed to do so more than likely would have come prepared for the removal of the camera. I just find the pulling up of the lantana to be a strange move in any theory.

 

[PCHS]

If the person in the Nest footage is someone close to NG, I would think they would have come better prepared to deal with the front door camera than pulling flowers out of the ground. But who knows. Such bizarre behavior.

Yes I would think that AG/SIL knew there was a doorbell camera and would not have seemed surprised. To me it is clear that it is not either of them there and one of the top reasons that this individual seems not so bright is the relative surprise at encountering a doorbell camera which are super common.

 

[stmichael]

Send a soldier 80 miles north with $500 worth of equipment and potentially extract $6 million in untraceable funds? Why not?

Real Gear Ain't Cheap
$500 worth of equipment? My folding knife is about that much. Night vision goggles worth a damn cost thousands. A real quality backpack $350 and up. I have a holster that's $150. For further example current mil issue bayonets are north of $500 each.

Any case I would not trust a 15 dollar WalMart backpack to hold my kit. That's an op issue. One ruptured seam on the cheapo and your stuff spills out into the night. No way you chance that.

Why the front door?
Another point I read recently about his amateurishness is his choosing to go to the front door (with a security door that he could not breach w/o heavier tools). He did';t even seem to anticipate a common doorbell camera. Did he have a key (he couldn't even handle a key with those gloves?). There were many easier points of entry including a pane window side door to the garage, that he could easily bust out one pane and open the door. Did he actually wake up NG and threaten her to open the door (w/that awkward open carry) I suppose a startled elderly person seeing that might comply.

I am still very curious about the actual point of entry and the evidence of forced entry that investigators found.

Key giveaways in Nancy Guthrie case that show suspected kidnapper is not ‘a trained assassin’: former FBI special agent

The masked 🤬🤬🤬🤬 suspected of abducting Nancy Guthrie made amateurish moves that prove he was likely not a “trained assassin,” a former FBI bigwig said.

nypost.com

 

[captdj]

Wanted to add my nest google camera go blue or green when connected to wifi

 

[birdbox]

Imo.. I read here her neighbor lost wifi and cameras that night... it was on court tv but they couldn't replay it.
if that proves true the perp may have blocked the wrong wifi. so they thought the door cam was inactive.. so they was testing the lights on the camera.

Ah, hold up!! So, the first walk up was a test to see if motion sensors light came on. His nonlinear concern was the data being livestreamed, or saved to a cloud server. He knew he was going to take off the device and take it with him as a just in case measure. He had no idea of that tidbit that even with wifi down, his video was still uploaded and even without service. Now, maybe this makes more sense. He was going the technology route of thinking the wifi was all that mattered! Thoughts??

 

[shonyakay]

I don't see it mentioned.. but they were out searching in the middle of the night:

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Investigators find a set of gloves along road as search enters 12th day

Investigators found a set of gloves amid the investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance. The FBI conducted an "extensive search" Wednesday along multiple roadways in the Catalina Foothills area north of Tucson, Arizona, and continues to offer a $50,000 award for information. The search for...

www.foxnews.com

scroll down to a few hours ago and there is a video.

Fox News observed the team searching around 2:15 a.m. MT/ 4:15 a.m. ET in the area near the intersection of Camino Miraval and Campbell Ave., about 1.3 miles from Nancy’s house.

They have been interested in Campbell Avenue in the past. There was a letter sent to residents early last week that they were searching property there.

Maybe they have data placing someone to have been in that area.

 

[RatFace]

I think it is more risky. Could easily fall out of the mouth and leave DNA rich saliva at the crime scene.

And his mouth would be open all the time so saliva could just drool out. I wonder if they have looked on the floors for that? Would be hard to find once dried.

 

[PCHS]

I'm seeing repeated comments that LE should have done this and that days ago and so on. Perhaps. OR LE revisiting areas is not a failure, it's good investigation work. Just because some rando YouTuber didn't already live stream it doesn't mean it wasn't already done. What was initially searched should be searched again, and sometimes again after that, especially with new and updated information. To me, returning to areas shows continued commitment, not delay .

I cannot even begin to understand the level of manpower behind an investigation like this across multiple agencies. That kind of work requires cooperation so information flows and connects. You have individual investigators putting their blood, sweat, and tears into this case. Probably carrying it home with them, thinking about it off duty with their families. Could some things have been faster or better, maybe. But my gosh, this case has the best investigators being used, with the best technology. The FBI with presumably Google engineers extracted video from a home camera that was thought to be gone. We Joe Public don't know what we don't know and I always assume that is a lot. IMO

No issue with them returning to the areas esp. with new information. The concern is that they appear to be returning and searching areas/finding things that should have been identified/searched initially (e.g. the roof and the additional cameras found AFTER local police had searched the residence multiple times and the FBI was already there and should have or already did a full top to bottom search - that is not something you need new evidence to find that is just d/t incomplete searches by both local and federal teams)

 

[connie9030]

Agreed. So what do you make of it?

If outsider, items to tie the victim up?

If family, how do you explain the backpack? Cleaning supplies?

Maybe the perp had already walked around the house removing camera before he walked up to the porch and his bag was filled with the cameras he removed.

 

[Skigh]

Imo.. I read here her neighbor lost wifi and cameras that night... it was on court tv but they couldn't replay it.
if that proves true the perp may have blocked the wrong wifi. so they thought the door cam was inactive.. so they was testing the lights on the camera.

Or people did not want anything caught on the neighbour's cameras.

 

[Covert Operative]

If the person in the Nest footage is someone close to NG, I would think they would have come better prepared to deal with the front door camera than pulling flowers out of the ground. But who knows. Such bizarre behavior.

I also think that, but they did not look professional for sure. Criminals make mistake most of the time or they would never get caught. Some spray paint or tape to put over the camera would have been an easy fix.

 

[SMK777]

What truly baffles me is that in all the footage I've watched and all the articles I've read, I see almost no mention of detection or cadaver dogs. They are so close to the border and have access to the best dogs available. Have I missed something?

I would like to know this, too!

 

[SMK777]

I'm seeing repeated comments that LE should have done this and that days ago and so on. Perhaps. OR LE revisiting areas is not a failure, it's good investigation work. Just because some rando YouTuber didn't already live stream it doesn't mean it wasn't already done. What was initially searched should be searched again, and sometimes again after that, especially with new and updated information. To me, returning to areas shows continued commitment, not delay .

I cannot even begin to understand the level of manpower behind an investigation like this across multiple agencies. That kind of work requires cooperation so information flows and connects. You have individual investigators putting their blood, sweat, and tears into this case. Probably carrying it home with them, thinking about it off duty with their families. Could some things have been faster or better, maybe. But my gosh, this case has the best investigators being used, with the best technology. The FBI with presumably Google engineers extracted video from a home camera that was thought to be gone. We Joe Public don't know what we don't know and I always assume that is a lot. IMO

Thanks for making these great points!

 

[penguinface]

I'm sure they have this info. Her watch was found in the home and I think it would be connected to an app on her phone too? Also found in the home.

They KNOW if she was home or not. I wish they would do another news conference so these things can get cleared up and people can move on .. or not lol

I don’t think they’d “clear these things up” in a press conference. The police themselves seem satisfied that they know NG made it home, so the only reason for showing some kind of proof publicly would be to attempt to debunk online theories that are upsetting to an already-stressed family or an unhelpful distraction from LE’s investigative work, but even if they did show that, as you quite rightly say, those who have already made up their mind aren’t going to “move on”, they’d just move the goalposts and find a way to make the facts fit their theories.

They’ve got a much more important job to do than to constantly provide evidence that could potentially damage a future case, just to satisfy the whims of some people online. It’d be a never-ending, time-wasting, cat-and-mouse game if law enforcement had to publicly refute every speculative theory in every crime, and nothing would ever get solved.

JMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Now FBI agents are focusing in on specific items of clothing as they attempt to nail down the kidnappers, and finally find Nancy.

According to reports from CNN, investigators are looking at the type of backpack the person was seen to be carrying in Nancy Guthrie’s doorbell camera footage.

The backpack appears to be an Ozark Trail Hiker Pack. Ozark Trail is Walmart’s private-label outdoor brand.

As well as the backpack, they are also trying to trace the initial sale of other items seen in the footage including the gloves and gun, according to additional reports from TMZ.

Verifying Device

 

[SMK777]

Sheriff: More detainments likely in Nancy Guthrie case

Sheriff: More detainments likely in Nancy Guthrie case

Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos told 13 News that more detainments are likely as investigators are working through thousands of calls and tips in the Nancy Guthrie case.

www.kold.com