AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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I don't think any ransom notes should be taken seriously at this point. It will be almost two weeks now. The chances that she is still alive at this point is very slim.

Many have speculated that SG appears to have resigned herself somewhat to this possibility.

Then it would be for Mrs. Guthrie's earthly body to have a Christian burial.



Imo
 
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IMO if it comes to them, they are reporting it. That's what they do
So does AB. I know what you mean, but maybe just communicate with investigators instead of publishing immediately for clicks. JMO
 
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Man with similar backpack is like man with similar Nike shoes. I can't believe TMZ put this out or it's getting any traction. 🙄
Doesn't look like the same jacket...etc...
 
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Also think they should look into restaurants NG, and maybe even her and AG together, went to in past 2 months. Where one or both of them had complained a lot. If they were together and it was AG who threw a fit, then maybe someone wanted to punish her.
Why would you think this; do you know if their personalities suggest this type of behavior?
 
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I don't think any ransom notes should be taken seriously at this point. It will be almost two weeks now. The chances that she is still alive at this point is very slim.
Agreed. Whatever plan they had has gone to complete s***. There's no way they can collect money without being caught, so they tied up loose ends and bailed. I'd be shocked if they were even still in the U.S.
 
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So does AB. I know what you mean, but maybe just communicate with investigators instead of publishing immediately for clicks. JMO
You have no way of knowing they didn’t contact them first before publishing.
 
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I agree the most likely usage of the flowers was to get a better grip for removing the camera, when it seemed the glove might tear from the first attempt, or the glove was slipping on it in the first attempt. We see the first attempt, glove-only.

IMO, etc.
Neoprene gloves are actually quite grippy when dry. They would become more slippery when they got wet, such as the juices from a soft plant.
 
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I don’t think Nancy ever made it home, I think they removed her pacemaker and disposed of it. Got rid of her, dropped some spots of blood on her porch then staged the fake kidnapping.
 
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I've also seen plural "aids" written
If Nancy’s hearing aids were both being charged when family/LE came to the home, then I think that would be a good indicator she was in bed when intruder(s) entered. It’s not like an intruder would take her hearing aids off, then charge them. My mom charges hers at night.
 
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Does this mean the “1:47 am doorbell camera disconnects” entry has been removed from the timeline? Some clarification would be nice.
Ugh, yes, this definitely muddies the water. I wonder if there were multiple Nest cameras and it was a different one that disconnected. Or if the doorbell camera did later reconnect and upload more footage (as I earlier said I thought was unlikely, but obviously I could have been wrong). MOO
 
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BBM:
Agreed. It sounds like someone who's disgruntled/complaining about the fact that they don't have a larger role.

It will be someone from the Sheriff's Office who said that, not an FBI agent.

An FBI agent is a professional who knows and understands chain of command.

JMO.
Agree. POST class: Jurisdiction 101
 
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I don’t think Nancy ever made it home, I think they removed her pacemaker and disposed of it. Got rid of her, dropped some spots of blood on her porch then staged the fake kidnapping.
How are you supposed to remove a pacemaker that easily? I thought it was under the skin. Are you suggesting the perp has surgical knowledge?
 
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Why would you think this; do you know if their personalities suggest this type of behavior?
Because of the black gloves he wore which some restaurants use. And maybe the removing of NG body is to punish AG. Just a thought I had but no real insight to that.

Trying to figure out why take NG out of the home if it wasn't for ransom?
 
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Or even yesterday?? Why now? Have they got the DNA off the gloves? Has the maintenance workers etc DNA samples come back?
If he double gloved with disposables there probably isn't any DNA on them, sadly.
 
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That we haven’t had a description of the perp’s vehicle yet is one of the strangest things about this investigation so far.

I know that neighbours’ cameras wouldn’t get usable images from the road in an area without streetlights, because the houses are set back from the road and, in low light, you’d get nothing usable. But why no images from nearby cameras on larger roads? I can’t imagine too much traffic at 1-2 am.

Does it mean NG wasn’t taken far from her house?


The problem seems to be linking the larger common roads (w/ more random traffic) that have cams to any vehicle from the crime scene which is a "blind spot" (a neighborhood w/o traffic lights, dark, houses spaced out/set back no traffic cams).

One other point an ex FBI agent who was commentating on scene was that the neighborhood is like a maze, multiple entry and exit points that lead to other roads. So hard to guesstimate a truck or van when you have a "blind spot" at the original location and lots of exit/connecting road possibilities. It seems they do not have a car linked. Having a long driveway/set back from road myself and a systems of cctv and wifi cams, if someone parks down the driveway or on the road there will be no footage (same for my neighbors who are spaced out, lots of woods in between). So IMO they're looking for suspicious vehicles that fit the bill and "reverse engineering" any appearances on neighborhood footage and bigger roads that lead there within that time frame.

The property and neighborhood set-up and darkness def. make this harder for investigators (and was likely. an opportunistic consideration by the criminal including any knowledge that an elderly woman lived there alone). Probably why he seemed relaxed.
 
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How are you supposed to remove a pacemaker that easily? I thought it was under the skin. Are you suggesting the perp has surgical knowledge?
Don’t need it if she’s dead.
 
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AC runs in AZ even in the winter?
SBMFF

I am an AZ native, & we have had our A/C running these last couple of weeks as it’s been in the 80s outside already.

I have a friend who just turned 73 years-old yesterday (also here in AZ), and she keeps her house at 76-77 degrees summer or winter.

I would expect this depends a great deal upon the person & his/her preferences
 

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