• #24,741
Because it's not LE's job to satiate our curiosity? Any suspicion that she never made it home is ridiculous IMO at this point.

Many of the comments on here are unfortunately a good lesson in why we should leave the investigating to the professionals.. . yikes, a lot of fragmented comments and wild goose chases. Other than the basic early gathering, LE let's the facts and evidence lead them to the next thing. Not hunches and wild guesses.

yeh, I know I do the same thing. Just wanted to make an obvious comment that our Monday morning quarterbacking is of no value
 
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Video from the New York Post shows investigators picking up one of the gloves from the side of a road. The glove, seen in images, resembles one on the hand of a masked person who was caught on video outside Nancy Guthrie's home the night she disappeared. The person was also wearing an apparent weapon and a backpack.

Nancy Guthrie was reported missing on Feb. 1 after not showing up for church. She had been dropped off at home by her son-in-law Tommaso Cioni the night before, and authorities believe she was abducted overnight.
 
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It is often cold at night in Tucson in January/early February and warm during the day. While it's a personal preference, of course, it seems that she might have the heat on at night and the A/C on during the day. MO
A quick look at the weather data from Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson shows a temperature of about 54 degrees and a wind speed of 15 miles per hour at that time on that date. It is also reported to have been overcast with some rain/drizzle in the area, although the total was only 0.10 inches. That may also explain why the illumination of the full moon that night is not noticeable in the videos. The wind speed of 15 mph could also impact the scattered dropped vegitation being over a couple of the blood drops.
 
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Has anyone here compared the single photo of suspect without the backpack and holster to the videos and still of them wearing both? The shoes look a bit different. It almost seems like there’s a black strip on the shoes of the suspect without the backpack that I don’t seem to notice on the suspect that actually walks up to the door.
Our opinions only: Yes. My son said either the guy changed from those all-white slip-ons with black bottoms to other shoes when he put the backpack on, or that’s a different guy without the backpack in the tennis shoes with black marks on the sides.

I feel like the guy without the backpack has a bit of a bigger belly, but it may just be the same guy looking different without the pull of the pack. I also feel uncertain their ski masks are the same, but it’s hard to tell with the image quality in the one without the backpack.

But I also overall don’t believe this was a one-person job.
 
  • #24,745
Because it's not LE's job to satiate our curiosity? Any suspicion that she never made it home is ridiculous IMO at this point.
When the information has changed several times and important details haven’t been clearly confirmed publicly, I don’t think it’s ridiculous to have questions.
 
  • #24,746
That's what I think too. Until there’s verification she physically entered her house, I think it’s fair to question the timeline. There’s been no footage shown of her arrival or departure from Annie’s. If that confirmation exists, why not release something to put these questions to rest?
No, this has been discussed many times before. She arrived home; her pacemaker only disconnected early the next morning. We, the general public do not get to receive a verification of anything. It's already sad enough that media is following and getting in the way of investigators. MOO
 
  • #24,747
Many have speculated that SG appears to have resigned herself somewhat to this possibility.

Then it would be for Mrs. Guthrie's earthly body to have a Christian burial.



Imo
It usually takes the family some time to come out of their denial and face reality. FBI/ LE knows this and tries to handle it the best they can.
 
  • #24,748
The link to submit video does not work in the latest Pima County Sheriff's Department post requesting video footage


Well, is this the same link included in the alert put out by the neighbor who was acting as if she/he were PCSO?

I don't know if what that nosy neighbor did falls within the legal definition of impersonating a law enforcement officer, but it's at the very least deserving of a knock-knock visit to make sure the neighbor gets a much-needed boundary check.

JMO.
 
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Only thing about mechanics habitually using mouth lights is that they have many metal surfaces to mount magnetic lights on, and typically use those instead (in my experiences with them generally and in working on cars sometimes myself).

However, HVAC, electricians, plumbers, pest control, etc. would likely need a light like this in the atypically visited and cramped locations they often find themselves around a home or business.

JMO.
It would be nice if he threw the flashlight out of the window and it was found. DNA
 
  • #24,751
out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
To your point, it is interesting that LE has not ruled out family members. I think there could be different reasons for this, including keeping the perps more comfortable.

But, I also think that family had access to NG's home, etc. and it doesn't mean they weren't involved in some other way shape or form. JMO.

Just not sure it's clear in either direction at this point, other than nothing LE has indicated would say that the family WAS involved
 
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I’m not asking them to release evidence for optics. I’m pointing out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
but satisfying our curiosity is not important. LE knows whether they have confirmation of that or not. that's what matters.

and they have reasons to be careful what they release. one of them is to be able to catch someone and/or prove their guilt because they knew something only the perp would. that doesn't work if you've made everything you know public. and if you don't yet have a good idea who your perp is, you don't know what pieces of information are going to be useful in that way. so LE tends to keep their cards close to their vest, i would think.
 
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Ugh, yes, this definitely muddies the water. I wonder if there were multiple Nest cameras and it was a different one that disconnected. Or if the doorbell camera did later reconnect and upload more footage (as I earlier said I thought was unlikely, but obviously I could have been wrong). MOO

Sheriff Nanos said there were multiple cameras.

In the official timeline they specifically said "doorbell" camera was disconnected at 1:47 a.m.
 
  • #24,754
Is there a point where we can get over the lantana? Please. Does it matter? Really? In the grand scheme of things. Let the Lantana Go 🌱 MOO

If the lantana was intentionally picked, shown to the camera to mock and/or for LE to see for later verification in a demand letter that identifies him as an authentic perpetrator, and/or as a symbol of meaning in one of the various religions, superstitions, and/or cultures around the world, that give meaning to placing flowers in a doorway/path, then I contend that it might matter and may even be useful in identifying a suspect and/or motive.

In my view, he had little to no need to use it to cover the camera as a concealment mechanism since he could (and did) just take it/break it off its base.

JMO.
 
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I’m not asking them to release evidence for optics. I’m pointing out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
To me what I think we have a right to know is: 1. is there a general danger to the public - given the situation I'd be concerned if I lived there (would ensure cameras/security system are all good).. 2. is LE/federal LE a reliable resource if we on a personal level should have an issue? I think questioning and reviewing what is happening here is fair from that perspective...3. We don't need to know all of their leads etc though, they don't answer to us in that way only on the question of if they are a reliable resource for us or if they need to be improved. And finally if someone is caught and tried, they/we absolutely have a right to have a public trial for many purposes. And the press if sent something has the right to report on it without releasing details that could compromise someone's safety etc (such as the ransom info but not the actual details for the wallet)
 
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I have an off the wall question.....if the pacemaker continues working after it stops syncing, could you clone the phone app onto several phones and locate the pacemaker? What would be the farthest distance between the pacemaker and the app to get a sync? If the distance is 30 feet or less, when searchers are walking fields, roadsides and other places, maybe having a clone app on their phone would help locate someone that couldn't hear searchers calling their name.
Matt Murphy, prosecutor from Orange County, was on AB yesterday and suggested that they do this. I thought it was one of the best ideas that I'd heard! He didn't realize the relatively small range and was suggesting helicopters or other vehicles. I just wish the range was greater, because it could be even more useful. Still, as you said, worth it to have searchers carry it if they're out there anyway!
 
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No, this has been discussed many times before. She arrived home; her pacemaker only disconnected early the next morning. We, the general public do not get to receive a verification of anything. It's already sad enough that media is following and getting in the way of investigators. MOO
I get that we don’t get verification of everything. I’m not saying LE owes us proof. I’m just saying when details have changed and things feel messy, it’s not crazy to still question things. Device syncing isn’t the same thing as physically seeing someone enter a house.
 
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It would be nice if he threw the flashlight out of the window and it was found. DNA

He'd have been stupid to throw those gloves out the window too!

Better to drive somewhere and ditch it all in a trash bin or similar.

So I doubt they are his but may have blown out of the back of a work pick up truck or something.
 
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The FBI Missing Person poster clearly states "last seen at at her residence in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood of Tucson, Arizona, on the evening of January 31, 2026." FWIW
 

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