• #24,741
I’m not asking them to release evidence for optics. I’m pointing out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
but satisfying our curiosity is not important. LE knows whether they have confirmation of that or not. that's what matters.

and they have reasons to be careful what they release. one of them is to be able to catch someone and/or prove their guilt because they knew something only the perp would. that doesn't work if you've made everything you know public. and if you don't yet have a good idea who your perp is, you don't know what pieces of information are going to be useful in that way. so LE tends to keep their cards close to their vest, i would think.
 
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Ugh, yes, this definitely muddies the water. I wonder if there were multiple Nest cameras and it was a different one that disconnected. Or if the doorbell camera did later reconnect and upload more footage (as I earlier said I thought was unlikely, but obviously I could have been wrong). MOO

Sheriff Nanos said there were multiple cameras.

In the official timeline they specifically said "doorbell" camera was disconnected at 1:47 a.m.
 
  • #24,743
Is there a point where we can get over the lantana? Please. Does it matter? Really? In the grand scheme of things. Let the Lantana Go 🌱 MOO

If the lantana was intentionally picked, shown to the camera to mock and/or for LE to see for later verification in a demand letter that identifies him as an authentic perpetrator, and/or as a symbol of meaning in one of the various religions, superstitions, and/or cultures around the world, that give meaning to placing flowers in a doorway/path, then I contend that it might matter and may even be useful in identifying a suspect and/or motive.

In my view, he had little to no need to use it to cover the camera as a concealment mechanism since he could (and did) just take it/break it off its base.

JMO.
 
  • #24,744
I’m not asking them to release evidence for optics. I’m pointing out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
To me what I think we have a right to know is: 1. is there a general danger to the public - given the situation I'd be concerned if I lived there (would ensure cameras/security system are all good).. 2. is LE/federal LE a reliable resource if we on a personal level should have an issue? I think questioning and reviewing what is happening here is fair from that perspective...3. We don't need to know all of their leads etc though, they don't answer to us in that way only on the question of if they are a reliable resource for us or if they need to be improved. And finally if someone is caught and tried, they/we absolutely have a right to have a public trial for many purposes. And the press if sent something has the right to report on it without releasing details that could compromise someone's safety etc (such as the ransom info but not the actual details for the wallet)
 
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I have an off the wall question.....if the pacemaker continues working after it stops syncing, could you clone the phone app onto several phones and locate the pacemaker? What would be the farthest distance between the pacemaker and the app to get a sync? If the distance is 30 feet or less, when searchers are walking fields, roadsides and other places, maybe having a clone app on their phone would help locate someone that couldn't hear searchers calling their name.
Matt Murphy, prosecutor from Orange County, was on AB yesterday and suggested that they do this. I thought it was one of the best ideas that I'd heard! He didn't realize the relatively small range and was suggesting helicopters or other vehicles. I just wish the range was greater, because it could be even more useful. Still, as you said, worth it to have searchers carry it if they're out there anyway!
 
  • #24,746
No, this has been discussed many times before. She arrived home; her pacemaker only disconnected early the next morning. We, the general public do not get to receive a verification of anything. It's already sad enough that media is following and getting in the way of investigators. MOO
I get that we don’t get verification of everything. I’m not saying LE owes us proof. I’m just saying when details have changed and things feel messy, it’s not crazy to still question things. Device syncing isn’t the same thing as physically seeing someone enter a house.
 
  • #24,747
It would be nice if he threw the flashlight out of the window and it was found. DNA

He'd have been stupid to throw those gloves out the window too!

Better to drive somewhere and ditch it all in a trash bin or similar.

So I doubt they are his but may have blown out of the back of a work pick up truck or something.
 
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The FBI Missing Person poster clearly states "last seen at at her residence in the Catalina Foothills neighborhood of Tucson, Arizona, on the evening of January 31, 2026." FWIW
 
  • #24,750
If the lantana was intentionally picked, shown to the camera to mock and/or for LE to see for later verification in a demand letter that identifies him as an authentic perpetrator, and/or as a symbol of meaning in one of the various religions, superstitions, and/or cultures around the world, that give meaning to placing flowers in a doorway/path, then I contend that it might matter and may even be useful in identifying a suspect and/or motive.

In my view, he had little to no need to use it to cover the camera as a concealment mechanism since he could (and did) just take it/break it off its base.

JMO.
It was clear to me he was trying to look for something and then picked a bunch and tried to fold it up and put it/stick it to the camera to block it...that is what I saw and perceived to see by his actions.
 
  • #24,751
I’m not asking them to release evidence for optics. I’m pointing out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
Once you start addressing any rumors, you have to address all of them. It's a bad precedent to set, especially in this convoluted case. AG and SIL are victims but everybody has their right to an opinion. MOO
 
  • #24,752
I’m not asking them to release evidence for optics. I’m pointing out that if her physical arrival home hasn’t been confirmed publicly, that’s a critical piece of information.
Yes it has!
 
  • #24,753
That's what I think too. Until there’s verification she physically entered her house, I think it’s fair to question the timeline. There’s been no footage shown of her arrival or departure from Annie’s. If that confirmation exists, why not release something to put these questions to rest?
Agreed.
Add that to the long list of what we still do not know with 100 % certainty ?

We are here to sleuth and to help, and that in no way is to satiate our curiosity.... but to speculate and formulate theories on what we think may have happened and if possible to find out if there's something LE have not thought of yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if LE were reading here ;) ; even though they may know by now if Nancy returned home or not, and are keeping that close to the vest.

It's more than a week out and it feels like we're stuck at square one.

We have zero proof Nancy was seen after being dropped off by her Uber driver, so that person may have been the last person to see her alive, and that's troubling, imo.

The camera footage shared yesterday should have shown Nancy returning home in some form, whether walking up to her door or a car driving by to drop her off, but it does not ?
Jmvho.
 
  • #24,754
Unfortunately to hide the evidence from SA. We had a case in Paso Robles, CA and another case in Vermont. Both older female victims living alone and taken. It's not common but does happen.
Could be but typically the perp would do things like
1- put her in a bathtub
2- pour bleach over
3- set a fire
To hide DNA. But not impossible that theyd just take her.
 
  • #24,755
I get that we don’t get verification of everything. I’m not saying LE owes us proof. I’m just saying when details have changed and things feel messy, it’s not crazy to still question things. Device syncing isn’t the same thing as physically seeing someone enter a house.
I think with all the info together paints a picture that is MORE likely then not that she entered the home that night. Is something else possible? Sure but more likely then not based on the pieces of info out there she arrived in the home. imo
 
  • #24,756
Agreed.
Add that to the long list of what we still do not know with 100 % certainty ?

We are here to sleuth and to help, and that in no way is to satiate our curiosity.... but to speculate and formulate theories on what we think may have happened and if possible to find out if there's something LE have not thought of yet.

I wouldn't be surprised if LE were reading here ;) ; even though they may know by now if Nancy returned home or not, and are keeping that close to the vest.

It's more than a week out and it feels like we're stuck at square one.

We have zero proof Nancy was seen after being dropped off by her Uber driver, so that person may have been the last person to see her alive, and that's troubling, imo.

The camera footage shared yesterday should have shown Nancy returning home in some form, whether walking up to her door or a car driving by to drop her off, but it does not ?
Jmvho.
Yes!! Thank you for understanding what I'm trying to say.
 
  • #24,757
Once you start addressing any rumors, you have to address all of them. It's a bad precedent to set, especially in this convoluted case. AG and SIL are victims but everybody has their right to an opinion. MOO
Yes and I feel in that group they should at a certain point, sooner rather than later, have some sort of public clearing declaration made b/c this is not right imo...this could severely be damaging for them aside from losing a loved one as they did. It is just wrong imo.
 
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Agreed.
Add that to the long list of what we still do not know with 100 % certainty ?

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The camera footage shared yesterday should have shown Nancy returning home in some form, whether walking up to her door or a car driving by to drop her off, but it does not ?
Jmvho.
She did not enter her home through her front door as reported, and the way the driveway is configured (and the way the front door camera is configured), the camera may very well not grab the car pulling in toward the garage. Also, if LE has video of her arriving home, they would not release it along with the vid of Lantana Man. It's not necessary to share that with the public.
 
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