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-It is hard to say what happens when adrenaline kicks in.
-I don't know what younger women are told these days.
-But older women were told that once you get into a car with a captor, you will soon be dead. So always fight hard before you get in that car. You have nothing to lose. So that is what I would do.
Yes! My mom has always said if they take you off and kill you, you might never be found. So fight like hell right where you are so they have to do what they're going to do right there. 😢
 
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The Today Show page is reporting that LE is asking neighbors for doorbell cam footage for the first time. Just now? Really?

The description of the suspect just released by the FBI is pretty vague. Almost a "why bother?"

Feels like a botched investigation.

In the video, did we ever see the person try the doorknob? I don't think so. Word has it that she didn't lock the door. Perp likely knew that.

So many mixed signals. Gloves looked layered and padded. Seems that would be difficult to operate a gun, rob a house, manhandle or kill someone. This person couldn't have acted alone.

Seems that consensus is that the video perp is a novice. I'm not so sure. The impression of layered clothing, gloves, and masks to hide persona seems to have been pretty effective. I also think that the person played with their gait to try to disguise it. Sometimes it looks mincing, sometimes rather masculine.

People say that they were surprised by the camera, but it also looks like they were trying to keep their face away from it originally. All mixed signals.u
Yes,it feels like a,botched investigation--- they waited 48 hours before calling in the FBI
 
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Why do you think the ransom notes are not real? Kidnapping for ransom is the most likely answer. And they covered up fully because it was only an abduction, not a murder. So they wouldn’t want her to recognize them and report them after she was released.
Kidnapping for Ransom is the LEAST LIKELY answer to this. So many murders have been disguised as walk away disappearances or kidnapping over the years that its become almost 100% certain they are never genuine.
 
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It's unfathomable that investigators just TODAY removed the Nest mounting bracket after knowing the perpetrator had touched it. Who knows how many random people have messed with it over the last 12 days.

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I think if nobody came forward at 50k with the crucial piece of information then body will at 100k either unfortunately.

I think they’ll have to go much higher than that - they know Nancys daughters wealth.
 
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Would roofers tend to use a small mouth flashlight? Or anyone associated with a roofing project? Or people installing outdoor roof cameras?
No ,it is for looking into dark recesses but one thing is for sure ,he was comfortable using a bite light
 
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I’ve thought all along this was about someone’s hatred for SG. The one thing they could do to tear her heart out. Don’t believe body will ever be found, hope I’m wrong. Whatever the reason,it’s torture beyond words. Please someone prove me wrong🙏🙏🙏
I thought this but then a friend said kidnapping a child would have made more sense. IDK anything any more.
 
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If NG was removed in a body bag, can you explain the presence of the blood on the doorstep?
I was just reading a book this week about the manhunt for John Wilkes Booth after he killed Lincoln. After he died, they wrapped him sloppily in a tarp, put him in a wagon and hauled him to a boat. His blood dripped out of the tarp the whole way to the boat. Since she took blood thinners, it would not take a major injury to result in pretty significant blood loss. Some drops could have come out even if the body was wrapped up.
 
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Funny how they can clear people who the internet is suspecting if they want to…

And yet all this time AG/TC remain uncleared
Could be because AG and SIL had the means, motive and opportunity to carry out a crime that night? No one can clear them if they werent able to provide anything that would clear them.

Bit tough to provide an alibi if you don't have one.
 
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Kidnapping for Ransom is the LEAST LIKELY answer to this. So many murders have been disguised as walk away disappearances or kidnapping over the years that its become almost 100% certain they are never genuine.
What is your reasoning behind saying the perp on the Ring camera murdered her and took away her body? Motive?
 
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The person who broke in and took nancy and the person who wrote the ransom notes seem to be bold, a risk taker and enjoy media attention. Would this type of criminal be the type who insert themselves in the investigation?
 
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DBM.

he was cleared while i was on my commute home! that was fast. glad they blurred out his face if he's not involved.
 
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I wondered the same for the "golden tip" reward money.
Now i understand it may be too much to handle for LE to go through all those tips flooding in already. Imagine if the reward is 1mil 😅
thank you for the response but i'm not referring to reward money...i'm talking about all of these 'tmz' letters, bitcoin asks, etc...SG pleading to the 'kidnappers' that the family is willing to 'pay'. has nothing to do with LE.

why hasn't the guthrie family chucked some money at...anything? i know the answer but i'm asking...if it was your loved one and you were worth millions, wouldn't you throw a few into an account, however fake, to see what transpired?

everything covered here in over 2,000 pages (and on the news) says that once money starts moving, bitcoin etc. gets easier to track. so why not do anything and everything to 'move mountains' to find your loved one?
 
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So the current description is a male suspect approximately 5'9" - 5"10" tall, with an average build.

But what kind of male suspect are they looking for?

Are they looking for a white male? A black male? A hispanic male? A middle eastern male? A oriental male?

What kind of a male suspect does the public needs to be on the lookout for?
How can you tell ethnicity or race when there is no visible skin? They got a height estimate and a sense of build. It's reasonable.
 
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Yeah, there could be an innocent explaination for his behavior. Been there done that.

Planning to go through a gate but it's locked and needs to go another direction.

Video looks like it's from a business or apartment complex.
Also been there done that.
Is this the guy who has been already cleared?
No, it's the guy with the similar backpack. MO
 
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Yeah, sorry, I should have been more precise about the point I was trying to make.

Earlier, in response to @MassGuy, I said it was unlikely that there is any video from the doorbell camera after the 1:47 AM "disconnect" event on the timeline. I was assuming that the disconnect correlated with the doorbell camera being removed from the mount and disabled or taken out of range, and that after that, it was gone for good. If the newly-revealed timestamps on these images are correct, then I was obviously wrong about that. The doorbell was apparently still on the wall well after 1:47, and was able to upload video during that time.
Is there any chance the time stamps are wrong? I recall one case where a time stamp on a video was off one hour because it was initially set up for a different Time Zone than it should have been. That may not be possible in this case - but this case isn't following any of the usual rules.
 

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