• #25,501
pffff. omg. please tell me a white bronco isn't involved in this.

fox news just reported that a glove was located in NG's home. what the what? is it a pair to the glove found in the cacti field two miles away? would it "give away" the investigation if LE, begging for the public's help, gave us some idea as to what help they are looking for? "we found a pair of gloves, one in NG's living room and one two miles away amidst brush, that could possibly be those gloves found on the video posted two days ago". how would that "hinder" the investigation?

@ iluvmyelement and thefragile, thank you for your insights. i live in a major metropolitan area and can say there are keystone cops everywhere but your experiences are haunting as well as informative. thanks again.
you are right. It could be worse here...and maybe for some families it just is worse and they don't get publicity. I don't know that for certain of course.
 
  • #25,502
@ 16:54 Brian Entin interviews former Undersheriff Rick Hasagar, 40 + yrs in Pima County LE and it echos off of what's taking place now between Nanos and the FBI,
RH goes on to say some not very nice things about Sheriff Nanos and obviously has no problem public ally criticizing him.
Yet paying close attention to Sheriff Nano's words and actions throughout this investigation this is not at all surprising to hear from someone who knew him well.
imo

It sounds like the sheriff is going to be made the fall guy if this remains unsolved. They’re bashing him.
 
  • #25,503
They are being DNA tested, but testing can only connect them to the kidnapping if that DNA was found at the scene, or if Nancy’s DNA is on them.

Of course the contributor could be in the system, which would be a nice lead.
I just heard on STS Nation on YouTube that another glove was just found and the sheriff sent the glove to a private lab in Florida, while FBI wanted it sent to Quantico. Shouldn’t the FBI be in the lead by now?
 
  • #25,504
I really don’t believe we have all the info to jump the gun and say he blocked evidence. In my opinion, it could have already been a part of their process the day the got the glove from inside the house to send it out, and then the FBI entered into it, and now because of that glove being analyzed out of state, the access is limited. If they sent it to DNA labs international here in FL, then FBI uses them too. I am thinking it is more a chain of custody situation.
I agree plus throw in an overzealous reporter that wants a sensational headline.
I'm not making too much of this.

JMO

ETA - add an overzealous source to the possibilities
 
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  • #25,505
I listen to my local scanner. Every call is responded to, no matter what the call is. Sometimes just the law, sometimes both law and emergency medical. Every time.
IIRC, sometimes it has to be transferred to a different LE entity, i.e. TPD vs South Tucson PD vs PCSD vs Marana PD or U of A PD etc etc etc depending on where the issue is happening
 
  • #25,506
I suggested similar couple days ago. Someone has continued to ask and borrow money and she finally got tired of it and said no...then argument ensued, even a slight push would topple someone with mobility issues. Maybe hit her head and they panicked and carted her out and it turned into a kidnapping, accidentally...JMO
imo, it would have been MUCH easier to say "OMG MOM FELL"
 
  • #25,507
Aside from SG, i wonder if any if any of the close family have returned to their regular jobs. Jm curiosity.
 
  • #25,508
The opening and closing garage door literally proves that something else was going on other then dropping her home and suggests someone didnt want to approach the front door camera at that time as it might be seen that she wasn't with them.
How does the opening & closing of the garage door prove that at all? It has been said countless times on this thread that people frequently use their garage to access their home especially given key pad /auto opener and the lack of stairs. There is zero to indicate she didn't do the same. I also understand that not everyone would use the garage door, but it is still totally normal & logical for her to have done so and the opening of the garage door by itself provides no lead imo.
 
  • #25,509
I thought FBI trumps the county sheriff?! I really would like to know why this would be helpful to not release everything they have at this point. They dropped the ball!

The Pima county sheriff has primary jurisdiction in this case.

 
  • #25,510
Thanks for posting this, @MassGuy... It is staggering. Do you think the Sheriff will have to step down, or be removed from the case?
No matter the outcome, the Sheriff will be shredded by the media if he dares give a press conference. His career is over.
 
  • #25,511
Not possible. From Mayo Clinic regarding pacemaker removal.

“It is performed in a hybrid operating room using laser or mechanical sheaths to cut through scar tissue.
Key Aspects of the Procedure
  • Method: A cardiac electrophysiologist opens the original chest incision, detaches the generator, and uses specialized tools—often laser sheaths—to safely remove wires from the heart muscle and blood vessels.
  • Expertise: The procedure requires a multidisciplinary team, including cardiothoracic surgeons, available to manage potential risks like heart perforation.
  • Safety Measures: For complex or long-term implants (e.g., >10 years), procedures are done under general anesthesia in a hybrid OR with advanced imaging (fluoroscopy) and, if necessary, sternotomy capabilities.”
That only applies if the patient is alive and you want to keep them that way. IMO
 
  • #25,512
So, her belongings being found in the house -- her pacemaker disconnecting, apparently from there -- the opening and closing of her garage door -- and most conclusively, her blood appearing on the front steps only after a masked man disabled the doorbell camera in the wee hours of the morning -- isn't evidence enough?

I mean, it's possible to suspect SIL even if you think she did get home from their house. But I think Occam's razor would say that she did get home. Your mileage may vary.

JMO


Anyone still suggesting that masked man could be TC can't be taken seriously. End of.
 
  • #25,513
How does opening and closing the garage *literally* prove something else was going on? I rarely use the front door and go through the garage. I know other people who do that, too.
Using the garage instead of going anywhere near the front door suggests that someone didnt want to appear on the front door camera. Also the short time between opening and closing doesn't leave much time for a woman like NG, described as being invariably of low mobility to go inside or be brought inside before the individual who dropped her off would presumably drive away.

It can't be denied that if she had been brought home and walked to her front door it would have helped clear AG and SIL. But because that didnt happen we have to continue to ask why.
 
  • #25,514
FBI agents told NBC's Tucson affiliate KVOA that a pair of black gloves recovered near the home of Nancy Guthrie have been submitted for DNA analysis. It comes as investigators are reaching out to neighbors requesting footage from their security cameras for specific dates and times.

In a chilling video released by the FBI from the doorbell camera of Nancy Guthrie's home, we can see that the person is wearing gloves, as well as a mask and a gun. The FBI is now working to determine if the glove they found on Wednesday is one of the gloves seen in the video.


In the Catalina Foothills, search teams located a glove Wednesday that appears to match one worn by the suspect in the FBI footage. Investigators have not yet confirmed a forensic link between the item and the abduction.
- YouTube

Video from the New York Post shows investigators picking up one of the gloves from the side of a road, reportedly about a mile and a half from Nancy Guthrie's home in Arizona. The glove, seen in images, resembles one on the hand of a person who was captured on videooutside the 84-year-old's home the night she went missing.

The discovery of what could mark a major break in the case comes after the Pima County Sheriff's Department said they received thousands of new tips following the release of surveillance video,

"From the backpack to the holster, to the potential weapon, to the jacket, to the flashlight in his mouth, to the unique ski mask … most of them have some unique characteristics that will absolutely be followed up on," he said.
 
  • #25,515
Sorry if this has already been posted - but I just scrolled down further in the "Google Trends" results and saw it also shows what country the January 21st "Nancy Guthrie house" Google search(es) came from. See screenshot attached

Source:

Snipped by me.

Google Trends is only designed to show trends (as the name suggests), not exact counts of searches, and it may not have accurate data about very uncommon searches. It may only operate on a sampled subset of search queries. So I wouldn't read too much into results for things where there may only be a handful of searches in a given time period. It's not really meant to answer those kinds of questions (like whether some individual was looking up info about NG or her house prior to the crime).

JMO
 
  • #25,516
Not defending the Pima County sheriff if it were truly a case of him turning his nose up at the FBI but DNA Labs International, the private lab in Florida, states on its website that it's accredited under both ISO17025, which is the gold standard for testing labs, and the FBI's quality assurance standards so any tests done there would be up to the FBI's standards.
Huge optics move denying the FBI from moving the evidence to Quantico. Agencies, especially the Feds hate this type of stuff which is why you have sources putting this on blast.

Especially from a controversial elected Sheriff who has admitted to misteps of the case in his own press conferences and has been getting a lot of heat. The feds will not take that stance well, considering he's being called the keystone cops in the media.
 
  • #25,517
And yet we still have ZERO PROOF that NG ever made it home from AG and SIL house. Until that's conclusively proven they will remain under suspicion.
What proof do you need? The LE has information, probably much of it is not shared with us (I hope not because we don't need to tip off the real people involved in this event). I don't have proof of when I leave and return home. And I doubt many others do as well because it's a daily occurrence that we are not filmed every minute. MOO
 
  • #25,518
With all the talk of rewards and this new revelation about a person who may have information but allegedly wants to be paid beforehand, my question is, why hasn't a very large reward been posted?
SG has a reported net worth of $40 million and is paid $8 million a year by NBC. Wouldn't an announced reward of, let's say, $250,000 bring much better results if someone really knows something??
What is interesting is they have raised the reward to $100,000. Significantly more than the 1 Bitcoin the most recent ransom request asks for. If they really had info, you would think they would take the $100k instead.
 
  • #25,519
That only applies if the patient is alive and you want to keep them that way. IMO
I can guarantee that AG/SIL did NOT open her up and pull out her pacemaker - not a thought even worth pursuing. jmo
 
  • #25,520
With all the talk of rewards and this new revelation about a person who may have information but allegedly wants to be paid beforehand, my question is, why hasn't a very large reward been posted?
SG has a reported net worth of $40 million and is paid $8 million a year by NBC. Wouldn't an announced reward of, let's say, $250,000 bring much better results if someone really knows something??
I honestly thought that as well, however I also think it would open a flood gate of tips that aren't even close and cause a mess with those taking these tips. I read here that they had to stop taking them due to the amount of calls. Sometimes more $ brings out more problems. IMO
 

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