AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[GussiedCanoodler]

I've just jumped on for a quick check in. Can someone tell me why there's discussion of mental health disorder and schizophrenia? Is this in relation to the offender on the front door camera?

If yes, where is this coming from?

Sorry, very VERY late to responding. Someone else mentioned that maybe mental illness or schizophrenia was the reason for the ‘bizarre’ behavior of the perp on the nest camera and I was sharing that I did not believe that accounted for what we saw on camera.

Possible explanation for bizarre behavior on camera:
1) Perp is startled by camera
2) knows someone might get an alert and look at the camera feed
3) has to think fast; blocks camera with hand (back of hand because he was grasping something?)
4) realizes anyone looking will still see a hand
5) decides to use flowers so that if someone looks, it looks natural

That's still not a good or likely explanation, but it's all I've got. Other idea is a calling card or it was meaningful to the perp (mentally ill?).

Perp may also have been on drugs.

Or mentally ill/Schizophrenic

 

[Curiousobserver]

Here’s the Reuters report. Prepare to be enraged:

Exclusive-FBI blocked from key access to evidence in Nancy Guthrie abduction case, source says

By Jana Winter WASHINGTON, Feb 12 (Reuters) - An Arizona sheriff is blocking FBI access to key evidence in the investigation into the abduction of U.S. television journalist Savannah Guthrie's mother,

uk.news.yahoo.com

Most of the news is designed to make you angry or afraid. This is a tempest in a teapot.

How the story has been characterized and actual reality might not be aligned.

I seriously doubt that the FBI won't have access to any results, and if there are no results, a second crack at the gloves. That sample will not be completely exhausted.

There are hundreds of labs out there in the US, Canada, and UK that are equal to or better than the FBI for low copy number DNA analysis and forensics.

LCN analysis is a big business now and there are "kits" that make sample extraction, amplification, and analysis much more routine.

The limitations now are not the skills gap at the lab, its statistics and chemistry: stochastic effects, sample binding to the consumables, and allele dropout.

 

[Officer Dibble]

I think that could be a phone in his back pocket.

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Interesting is that a far-back ear? I said in the ski mask photo that the person's ear was far back on the head.

 

[Cassie P]

Hi All, this is my first time posting here so apologies in advance if I mess up. Not sure if this topic is okay to share but wanted to discuss the clues I see that indicate a possible motive.

I think the motive for the abduction of NG is indicated by the placement of the holstered gun over the groin of the perpetrator as per the released NEST doorbell camera footage.

The placement of the holstered weapon is deliberate and overt, meant to draw the attention of the intended viewer to the genital area. It could indicate that the perpetrator equates the weapon with his sexual potency and possibly fetishizes sexual violence.

The perpetrator also had no hesitation in performing an act of violence on NG to force submission prior to exiting the residence as indicated by the trail of her blood on the front porch. He could have compelled NG, an 84 year old mobility challenged person, to leave with him without resorting to violence and yet violence was the action of first resort.

Lastly, the perpetrator did not take any of NG's personal possessions which would increase her levels of comfort (such as glasses or hearing aid) or ensure her health conditions were treated (medications). This indicates that the perpetrator had no interest in NG's comfort or concern for her health. If the objective was to seek ransom for NG's safe return, the perpetrator would be taking the medications essential for her survival.

As such, I don't think that the perpetrator abducted NG for ransom and fear that he had no intention of NG surviving their encounter.

MOO

I think this is a clear and logical assessment of the situation based on the data and our current knowledge.

 

[Officer Dibble]

(I'm sorry if this already has been posted)

Look at this neighbour ring video, the man fits the description very well!

He walks the same, bends over the same and has the eyes and facial hair exactly like in the Nancy cctv vid!! - IMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022166579614826908

I'd been saying since the ski mask photos/videos that the ear was far back to the head. I also thought the ear was tight to the head. This man has both.

 

[rebel123]

The relative that keeps being mentioned has been questioned by the 'authorities', he and his electronic communications are under surveillance 24 / 7 (literally), so that's almost from day one.
I'm not saying he should be excluded. But for him to monitor Nancy, her daily needs, etc and negotiate with the authorities. I just can't see it unless there are 'multiple' parties involved in this.

 

[InVinoVeritas]

I haven't fully thought this through, but is there a possibility that these are two separate incidents? Could guy on camera be an opportunist criminal? Did NG wake, see what had happened or heard something and gone to check, hence no signs of forced entry. Then as she opened the door, she may have walked away from the door and someone was waiting?
Highly unlikely I know, but trying to think of any possible alternative scenarios

 

[Strangeworld]

View attachment 644471I think it’s SIL. The outline around the eyes on the mask is covering the top portion of the eyebrows. But you can see that the brows are nearly a unibrow. You can also see the shape of the head is very similar. The eyes are spaced apart the same. And the gray beard hairs are sticking out of the mask, indicating this is a long, full beard. You can also see the wrinkles under the eye indicating this is not a young man.

IMO TC is much taller than this person

 

[Strangeworld]

Not to mention... it's worth reminding anyone who points to SIL...

He would be well aware of the Nest cam at the door

DBM

 

[birdbox]

Not necessarily if one of the children is her POA...

Sorry, very VERY late to responding. Someone else mentioned that maybe mental illness or schizophrenia was the reason for the ‘bizarre’ behavior of the perp on the nest camera and I was sharing that I did not believe that accounted for what we saw on camera.

I didn't see the topic but speculating that nobody can really fathom a person walking right up to a front door of what's been stated to be a "million dollar home" without the assumption that cameras could be everywhere. Hence, crazy.

 

[janell44]

I'd been saying since the ski mask photos/videos that the ear was far back to the head. I also thought the ear was tight to the head. This man has both.

That looks like the same guy to me!

 

[Strangeworld]

Sorry, very VERY late to responding. Someone else mentioned that maybe mental illness or schizophrenia was the reason for the ‘bizarre’ behavior of the perp on the nest camera and I was sharing that I did not believe that accounted for what we saw on camera.

Thanks so much for responding!

Well that is odd to bring those mental health issues into it, great that you discounted it.

 

[Friday Fan]

(I'm sorry if this already has been posted)

Look at this neighbour ring video, the man fits the description very well!

He walks the same, bends over the same and has the eyes and facial hair exactly like in the Nancy cctv vid!! - IMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022166579614826908

I think "Nerdy Addict" looks like the guy on the porch..LOL


I don't know who ski-mask guy looks like because I can't see his face! The mask looks tight and it's distorting his features. But grubby porch guy looks taller than the guy at NG's house.

 

[birdbox]

I haven't fully thought this through, but is there a possibility that these are two separate incidents? Could guy on camera be an opportunist criminal? Did NG wake, see what had happened or heard something and gone to check, hence no signs of forced entry. Then as she opened the door, she may have walked away from the door and someone was waiting?
Highly unlikely I know, but trying to think of any possible alternative scenarios

You never know. Let's say power was cut or wifi disabled. Maybe something made an alert sound and she went tonsee what was going on. I mean who knows.

 

[GussiedCanoodler]

I didn't see the topic but speculating that nobody can really fathom a person walking right up to a front door of what's been stated to be a "million dollar home" without the assumption that cameras could be everywhere. The basic commonality of thr Ring camera and other basic home security being around now for decades. I guess someone just posed the idea maybe thisnguy is nuts, you know? Maybe its not a planned intentional crime, but just some rando lunatic. So, maybe thats the idea. Thsts youd have to be schitzo to walk up like that to a front door these days. Its a solid assumption in my opinion.

As someone who works in healthcare and is very familiar with active psychosis, the perp does not seem to display signs associated with that. MOO of course and everyone is welcome to their interpretation!

As for schizophrenia specifically, people with mental illnesses are actually more likely to be the victims of crimes rather than the perpetrators. I just don’t want to vilify an already stigmatized group when there don’t seem to be obvious signs pointing to that.

ETA: my thesis in undergrad was actually about how the media uses terms that make “mental illness” and “crazy” interchangeable and how that is harmful for furthering the stigmas with mental illness, so this topic specifically is a bit of a passion of mine hence my responses!

 

[shonyakay]

Not to mention... it's worth reminding anyone who points to SIL...

He would be well aware of the Nest cam at the door

I think (those who are claiming that it was SIL) are saying that he was disguised because he knew the cameras were there.

 

[CoolBeans]

View attachment 644471I think it’s SIL. The outline around the eyes on the mask is covering the top portion of the eyebrows. But you can see that the brows are nearly a unibrow. You can also see the shape of the head is very similar. The eyes are spaced apart the same. And the gray beard hairs are sticking out of the mask, indicating this is a long, full beard. You can also see the wrinkles under the eye indicating this is not a young man.

Can I ask where did you get this image from? I have tried looking at the original footage and cannot seem to see this detail.

 

[birdbox]

Makes me furious that ANYONE (whether FBI, or PCSO, or former PCSO, or media capitalizing on conflict) is introducing this crap right now with an 84 year old woman’s life potentially on the line and her family in some kind of horrible suspense waiting for some answers and accountability.

Incredibly selfish and flawed perspective.

Per article this am on foxnews.com
Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos is rejecting allegations that he is withholding evidence from the FBI in the Nancy Guthrie Case.

Nanos told KVOA that the allegations are “not even close to the truth.”

A federal law enforcement source previously told Fox News Digital that Nanos was restricting the FBI from obtaining key evidence in the 84-year-old's disappearance. The evidence requested by the FBI includes a glove and DNA found inside Nancy Guthrie’s Tucson, Arizona, home, according to information first reported by Reuters.

Federal officials have asked Nanos for the items so they could be processed at the FBI's national crime laboratory in Quantico, Virginia. However, Nanos has insisted on sending the evidence for testing at a private lab in Florida, according to the source.

Nanos told KVOA that the private lab in Florida has been working with the sheriff’s department for years and is analyzing DNA profiles from the crime scene. He added that there were discussions with the FBI on Thursday morning about possibly sending gloves to the FBI’s lab, the station said.

"Actually the FBI just wanted to send the one or two they found by the crime scene, closest to it – mile, mile and a half . . . I said 'No, why do that? Let’s just send them all to where all the DNA exist, all the profiles and the markers exist.' They agreed, makes sense,” Nanos told KVOA.

 

[maskedwoman]

OK does anyone else think it's not a "black" backpack ? the shoulder straps are two toned..right?
black backpacks have black shoulder straps.. I know FBI says black or news said that...so not sure now..

Infared does weird things with color. Dark hair looks light, eye color looks different. It's weird. I think it would take someone very used to that to make an educated guess as to what the colors actually are.

 

[birdbox]

As someone who works in healthcare and is very familiar with active psychosis, the perp does not seem to display signs associated with that. MOO of course and everyone is welcome to their interpretation!

As for schizophrenia specifically, people with mental illnesses are actually more likely to be the victims of crimes rather than the perpetrators. I just don’t want to vilify an already stigmatized group when there don’t seem to be obvious signs pointing to that.

Yeah i get where you are coming from and as someone who lives in a city with a very active homeless population near my home incan say most all of them suffer from mental illness. And it makes perfect sense for them to hpp my fence either my cameras pointed at the fence with the spotlight on them to steal stuff from my shed. They sleep behind my fence. Sherrif says nothing they can do, the fence backs up to a public alley,. I think at any moment I could be a victim of a violent crime. I stand by my only a lunatic would hop a fence with a visible camera and spotlight on them them. Sorry, just my experience and you have your as a professional. Im living my experience. Not trying to put down people with mental health issues.