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I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.
Thank you , eyes are very similar imo
 
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The chins don't appear to be the same. SiL has a noticeably longer chin imo.
In the known photo of him he’s got a full beard hanging down. Difficult to see exactly where the chin line actually is. Wearing a ski mask, that tightens up that beard showing the true outline of the chin.

So yes, I agree with you. But there’s an explanation why the don’t look the same.
 
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Sure, but other men who look similar are not the last person to see Nancy and their homes/neighborhoods haven’t been searched nonstop by LE for the past two weeks.

I just can’t shake the feeling that he’s involved somehow. With all the public scrutiny he’s getting you’d think they’d want to clear his name, but for some reason they haven’t. All my opinion.
They haven't cleared other family either, they haven't cleared the church friend who "supposedly" said she was missing from the service, they haven't cleared neighbours who live - right there. They haven't cleared anyone.
 
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In regards to the eyes, to me it looks like eyeliner is applied or maybe false lashes, this might give the dark colour over the lid but next to the eye..
 
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Harvey has a point. I think the holster is more unique and could narrow the suspect pool more than the backpack.

 
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Regarding potentially the same intruder being seen at another property, at 3.30am and 5.00am, I'd just like to say, I can understand an intruder at 3.30am, but 5.00am is risking it! People are up and about by that time, going to work, going jogging or to the gym before work, or walking the dog etc. especially in a warm area of the country.

Either the intruder is stupid.....or fearless!
MOO.
 

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In regards to the eyes, to me it looks like eyeliner is applied or maybe false lashes, this might give the dark colour over the lid but next to the eye..
Don't forget night vision cameras show images in a different way, contrast and/or highlights can appear more pronounced.
 
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Regarding potentially the same intruder being seen at another property, at 3.30am and 5.00am, I'd just like to say, I can understand an intruder at 3.30am, but 5.00am is risking it! People are up and about by that time, going to work, going jogging or to the gym before work, or walking the dog etc. especially in a warm area of the country.

Either the intruder is stupid.....or fearless!
MOO.
Caught a guy out robbing at about 5:15 once.
 
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Caught a guy out robbing at about 5:15 once.
That's probably why he was caught! It's far too late to be out doing that!
A lot of people are awake and up by then.
(Well done btw!)
 
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This is obviously from the photos released but it's in color. I don't know how accurate it is but it shows the face well. He either has on two masks or he has pretty significant epicanthic fold. His eyes looks wildly red here which cannot be accurate. Look at your own risk but this pic gives me way different vibes.
 

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This is obviously from the photos released but it's in color. I don't know how accurate it is but it shows the face well. He either has on two masks or he has pretty significant epicanthic fold. His eyes looks wildly red here which cannot be accurate. Look at your own risk but this pic gives me way different vibes.
Ai enhanced photos are not allowed.
 
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View attachment 644471I think it’s SIL. The outline around the eyes on the mask is covering the top portion of the eyebrows. But you can see that the brows are nearly a unibrow. You can also see the shape of the head is very similar. The eyes are spaced apart the same. And the gray beard hairs are sticking out of the mask, indicating this is a long, full beard. You can also see the wrinkles under the eye indicating this is not a young man.
The discrepancy I’m seeing is that SIL’s eyes slant down away from the nose, while masked guy’s look level.
 
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I took screenshots from the January 23rd doorbell cam in Tucson that was linked to a few posts ago. Who knows if it’s related, but the guy really could match the NG abductor images quite well. I hope he’s being ruled in or out.
Dbm

ETA: posted in the wrong thread
 
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The discrepancy I’m seeing is that SIL’s eyes slant down away from the nose, while masked guy’s look level.

Not to mention... it's worth reminding anyone who points to SIL...

He would be well aware of the Nest cam at the door 🤔
 
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It's clearly not the SIL in those nest cam photos.
JMO.
 
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Anyone else just feeling extra on edge because of this case? I live in a neighborhood where the houses are so close I can literally hear the kids playing inside the house nextdoor from inside my house. Safe street, safe neighborhood. But my dog just started barking from inside and it literally made me feel more panicked than usual. It was our neighborhood suburban raccoons wandering from there nest in the tree line lol.
I can't even imagine how Nancy's family and community feel though 😢 Praying for safety for each of you and for the hearts of criminals to be softened and for people to genuinely value the lives of others.
In the midst of all the sleuthing, we must never lose sight of the humanity of everyone.
100 percent. Just due to some things that happened in my own life 25+ years ago. Since the video of the perp came out I’ve been leaving my TV on at night to make it look like I’m awake. I’m triple checking my doors, triple locking my cars, triple checking that ring cameras are on, etc. Seeing the image of that Lantana demon at her door brought up a lot of things for me I thought I had worked through. I truly do understand the incredible fear that Nancy felt and the sheer emotional horror the family is currently experiencing. Their sense of safety has been shattered. The feelings of fear are intense and that has carried over into her neighborhood and the rest of the world watching this play out. I joined here recently because something about her disappearance triggered me to want to know and understand more about what happened. But as time goes on I find it harder and harder to keep reading here and watching the news. I can’t look at pictures of the perp anymore without feeling a level of anxiety and dread, so I scroll by as fast as possible. I can’t look at his eyes in the pictures. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. It’s triggering some PTSD. However, there is a need for me to understand the “why” so I keep reading and watching. Her disappearance is horrifying and shocking, and extremely scary. Knowing this happened to someone so vulnerable is extremely disturbing and sad. I and most likely many others just can’t make it make sense.
Yes, it’s affecting many people in a visceral and emotional way. Also I know there’s awful crimes happening somewhere as I’m typing this. It’s overwhelming. I have prayed for NG and her family many times and will continue to do so. I pray for safety and strength for all of us this morning. Hug your family, be with them and enjoy every moment you have together. Life is a blessing and may we all live it to the fullest.
 
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Not to mention... it's worth reminding anyone who points to SIL...

He would be well aware of the Nest cam at the door 🤔

Also the SIL would already immediately know if there are any plants or flowers on Nancy's porch. In the video before he goes to grab the lantana you can see him turn away from the door and look down to the ground toward the left of the porch as if he is looking for something he then goes and grabs the lantana.
 
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I've just jumped on for a quick check in. Can someone tell me why there's discussion of mental health disorder and schizophrenia? Is this in relation to the offender on the front door camera?

If yes, where is this coming from?
Sorry, very VERY late to responding. Someone else mentioned that maybe mental illness or schizophrenia was the reason for the ‘bizarre’ behavior of the perp on the nest camera and I was sharing that I did not believe that accounted for what we saw on camera.
Possible explanation for bizarre behavior on camera:
1) Perp is startled by camera
2) knows someone might get an alert and look at the camera feed
3) has to think fast; blocks camera with hand (back of hand because he was grasping something?)
4) realizes anyone looking will still see a hand
5) decides to use flowers so that if someone looks, it looks natural

That's still not a good or likely explanation, but it's all I've got. Other idea is a calling card or it was meaningful to the perp (mentally ill?).

Perp may also have been on drugs.

Or mentally ill/Schizophrenic
 
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Here’s the Reuters report. Prepare to be enraged:

Most of the news is designed to make you angry or afraid. This is a tempest in a teapot.

How the story has been characterized and actual reality might not be aligned.

I seriously doubt that the FBI won't have access to any results, and if there are no results, a second crack at the gloves. That sample will not be completely exhausted.

There are hundreds of labs out there in the US, Canada, and UK that are equal to or better than the FBI for low copy number DNA analysis and forensics.

LCN analysis is a big business now and there are "kits" that make sample extraction, amplification, and analysis much more routine.

The limitations now are not the skills gap at the lab, its statistics and chemistry: stochastic effects, sample binding to the consumables, and allele dropout.
 
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