• #26,701
We also don’t have any solid confirmation that she did make it home. We can assume so based on the disconnects with the pacemaker/cell phone data. But there could also be other explanations for how and why that happened. Electronics are finicky gadgets.

Then there was the initial confusion? Bad reporting? Changing stories? about who actually drove Nancy home that night.

And I personally cannot get past that 2 minute window. My mother also used her garage to enter/exit. It would take us a good 10 minutes to get out of my vehicle, and walk together to the house. She was also 85 and very physically limited.

I also find it VERY STRANGE anyone, let alone some who loved and cared about this woman, would just drop her off. You’d think you would walk into the house with her. Check to be sure she has all she needs and that she was well inside her home.

My theory that it could be TC points to he’s admittedly the last person to see her alive.

This masked person in the photos has a striking resemblance to him. TC is 5’9. Average build. Facial hair. Others have spoke about this person appearing to be wearing eyeliner. Look at the known photos of TC. His eyes have that same appearance.

I’m not saying it’s 100% him. But LE should be doing their due diligence and completely eliminating ALL FAMILY MEMBERS first. They’re not doing this per the sheriff. “Nobody has been ruled in or out.”

We also don’t have any solid confirmation that she did make it home. We can assume so based on the disconnects with the pacemaker/cell phone data. But there could also be other explanations for how and why that happened. Electronics are finicky gadgets.

Then there was the initial confusion? Bad reporting? Changing stories? about who actually drove Nancy home that night.

And I personally cannot get past that 2 minute window. My mother also used her garage to enter/exit. It would take us a good 10 minutes to get out of my vehicle, and walk together to the house. She was also 85 and very physically limited.

I also find it VERY STRANGE anyone, let alone some who loved and cared about this woman, would just drop her off. You’d think you would walk into the house with her. Check to be sure she has all she needs and that she was well inside her home.

My theory that it could be TC points to he’s admittedly the last person to see her alive.

This masked person in the photos has a striking resemblance to him. TC is 5’9. Average build. Facial hair. Others have spoke about this person appearing to be wearing eyeliner. Look at the known photos of TC. His eyes have that same appearance.

I’m not saying it’s 100% him. But LE should be doing their due diligence and completely eliminating ALL FAMILY MEMBERS first. They’re not doing this per the sheriff. “Nobody has been ruled in or out.”
What a coincidence that would be that she never made it home and then at 2am, some rando shows up on her front porch. Staging? Doubt it.
 
  • #26,702
It is strange, unless Megyn confused her words, it sounds like they really do want to know if Nancy's neighbours have anything they want to share about AG and SIL. Its likely they would have been at Nancy's home alot, maybe they observed something, heard something, suspected something - maybe not even directly related to Nancy's disappearance, just in general

This is what confuses me and what the Sheriff has just said - its contradictory. Either they are taking a long time to rule out all the family, or they are having trouble ruling out all the family
my bet is that the FBI interviewed the neighbors of both locations extensively ...the phone issue- maybe they know that one was dropped and "died" in one of the areas (?) just a guess IMO
 
  • #26,703
IMO no. Sherriff is doing that allllll on his own.

Yeah, this is a guy who's had a lot of local criticism and scandals (including a Federal one) PRIOR to this case. Seems a lot of his dept. hates his guts.

And even PRIOR to knowing this I thought he was a P.R. nightmare with his interviews, press conferences, and handling of this case.
 
  • #26,704
Anyone familiar with uploading pictures? Just curious what information would be traceable if the perp uploaded a picture or video of Nancy to another website and wouldn't it be likely the could scrub the video or picture or all its identifiable properties?

Like I'm questioning why the perp wouldn't use any old website where you can post videos or pictures.
 
  • #26,705
I think Megyn Kelly said they are looking for a phone, as though one might have been tossed or dropped somewhere in AG’s neighborhood. If true, LE may have detected a phone that was in the vicinity at a critical time that they have not been able to link to its owner.

Yes maybe... detected a phone in the area that STOPPED MOVEMENT. Obviously, it has a dead battery now
 
  • #26,706
AG has earned multiple awards for her publishing. If you have a link to this morbid and creepy poems, please list it, otherwise it's your opinion only, or MOO. What Savanah Guthrie's sister and her husband really do for a living. MSN
AG took much of her social media and websites down or made them private so its tough to find but I did read some of it a few weeks back and it was very morbid.
 
  • #26,707
The Sheriff has indicated that SIL is not a suspect and that rumors to that effect are untrue. I imagine they, iike her brother, are letting Savannah speak for the family since she has a larger public profile. On the (substantial) chance that NG was targeted due to her being SG's mother, it makes sense for a variety of reasons why the other family members might choose less public visibility.

JMO.
When did the sheriff state SIL is not a suspect? I haven’t seen that. If he’s been cleared, that’s huge.
 
  • #26,708
When did the sheriff state SIL is not a suspect? I haven’t seen that. If he’s been cleared, that’s huge.

When did he state he WAS a suspect?
 
  • #26,709
Scrolling thru all this information that everyone (yeh, like me included) keeps adding to the pages here... just gives me a headache. Think I'll take a few days break
 
  • #26,710
The thing is though, when you're making 60k and your sister is making $8 million, you're most definitely going to feel like the poor relation. It would take a really big person not to feel some level of resentment or jealousy.
In all honesty, I'm super happy for any success my siblings achieve, but I've met people who are probably jealous. I've been jealous of friends before. However, that's a huge leap to murder, especially since it wouldn't fix the motive of overcoming the jealousy that caused the crime. Any financial reward would be a long time coming. MOO I don't get any family involvement vibes. From the little I can glean from Savanna's public presence is that they are a really loving, functional, and close family.
 
  • #26,711
And certain comments that have been made like the Sheriff saying he wouldn't be talking about what was discovered inside the home out of respect for the family. 😢
Hadn't heard the LE say that but it partially explains how little we know about what went on inside the house. Awful thinking about. We do know LE immediately knew it was a crime scene. Sometimes info about a crime scene is kept close to the vest by LE for other reasons, too, such as information being something only the abductor and LE know. MOO
 
  • #26,712
The thing is though, when you're making 60k and your sister is making $8 million, you're most definitely going to feel like the poor relation. It would take a really big person not to feel some level of resentment or jealousy.
You should have added an IMO at the end of your statement. Some siblings have grace with each other. Support 100% unconditionally. Perhaps you did not.
 
  • #26,713
I actually interpret Megyn's transcript as AG's neighbors. I think AG's neighbors would have more insight into their character than Nancy's. The phone thing is weird, though. Unless there's a solid connection between the two locations, the intruder wouldn't have dropped a phone in AG's neighnorhood. It's all so confusing.

A possible explanation for LE questioning Annie's neighbors...
A phone may have been discovered to be pinging in Annie's neighborhood Saturday evening when Nancy was visiting Annie's home and then later discovered to be pinging at Nancy's home when the man was seen at 2:12 a.m. Sunday morning and then now it is pinging back in Annie's neighborhood.
LE may have tried contacting the phone's owner but can't locate them so they are searching for them.
 
  • #26,714
If they are "poor", that makes me one notch up from being a bag lady......JMO
I think the term poor was used purely in relation to SG. Compared to her, yeah, they’re “poor”. (As am I and, I assume, many of us here on WS are.) That’s how I understood it, anyway.

Money is so often a motivator in murder and kidnapping, I don’t know how it fits here, but I’m sure it’s something LE is looking closely at in regard to family.
 
  • #26,715
Yes, of course! Very good point. She must have an iPhone.
It depends on which watch you buy. Some must be linked to a phone. Others operate independently
 
  • #26,716
Anyone familiar with uploading pictures? Just curious what information would be traceable if the perp uploaded a picture or video of Nancy to another website and wouldn't it be likely the could scrub the video or picture or all its identifiable properties?

Like I'm questioning why the perp wouldn't use any old website where you can post videos or pictures.
Location data would be a big issue but it also reveals device and possibly device name and other details related to the photography
 
  • #26,717
When did the sheriff state SIL is not a suspect? I haven’t seen that. If he’s been cleared, that’s huge.
Sheriff never said that, or at least not in the way you're implying.
They said no one was ruled in or out at this time and that they wouldn't comment on anyone being a suspect or not. That was the second press conference and that was AGES ago without any further update.
 
  • #26,718
Okay no one responded so assuming nothing?

Anyway after searching forever last night here are some *you guessed it* Walmart specials that are very similar.

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I think for the one set I posted grey/black the inseam isn't noticeable in the video so probably not likely to be that one but perhaps camera didn't pick it up.

I do like how similar the wrist "cuffs" are and how there is not an actual hood but a little bunch area of actual material - not a clue what thats called - looks very similar to the nest video.

Btw there is loads of different colors available for each, hard to tell the real color from the video.

for reference:
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The Walmart Special "Cheap" Gearing - Habit or Disposable Blending?


So a lot have been made of the gear we have seen in the only Nest footage of the suspect. It struck out as a bit amateurish and thrown-together but upon further investigation it was generic and cheap (Ozark Trail Walmart back pack $15, Cheap vinly pistol holster $5, possible walmart jacket, nitrile gloves, etc.)

There are amateurish signs about it - the reflective stripes on the backpack, the cumbersomeness of the gloves in a situation where you can't afford to be that--especially with a gun. The liability of a cheap mismatched holster when you can't afford to risk your life on that. The liability of a cheap back pack rupturing and spilling your "kit" into the night on your big score. These are poor operational choices. They could also be more stealthy as well.

Now while they are poor operational choices, they are generic and disposable. If he bought them with cash at Walmart, spread them out at different locations and reasonably disguised himself (hat/sunglasses) reviewing any footage/purchase receipts would prove much more difficult. It's almost like some crazy person's version of being "gray man" (blending).

Or was it just the habit of someone - a younger person on a budget, a landscaper or worker--who are used to getting practical affordable options and in their amateur mindset this qualifies as a stealthy, effective get-up? I often say that this get-up looks to me like something was lost in translation? With try hards they go the other way (Ka-Bar marine knife, style over substance tactical gear, etc.) Now with this it's just odd, cheap and impractical while being effective enough to get lucky. I've said I've seen things like this in third world conflict zones (where you see sporty stuff like nikes, combined with mil surp and thrown together). Maybe it's also a skewed or altered mindset (autistic, mentally ill, drugs?) Or it's just low income practicality in an amateur that overrides that tell.


Now behaviorally, it reinforces the amateur/off angle (casually using the latanas flowers, not anticipating a doorbell cam, using a saliva transferring mouth light) but the outfitting certainly stands out.
 
  • #26,719
Okay no one responded so assuming nothing?

Anyway after searching forever last night here are some *you guessed it* Walmart specials that are very similar.

View attachment 644589View attachment 644591View attachment 644590View attachment 644593View attachment 644592

I think for the one set I posted grey/black the inseam isn't noticeable in the video so probably not likely to be that one but perhaps camera didn't pick it up.

I do like how similar the wrist "cuffs" are and how there is not an actual hood but a little bunch area of actual material - not a clue what thats called - looks very similar to the nest video.

Btw there is loads of different colors available for each, hard to tell the real color from the video.

for reference:
View attachment 644595
Is the zipper showing up lighter due to the infrared / low light photography? Someone mentioned something like "color reversal" which is apparently why the back pack shoulder straps.
 
  • #26,720
I think the term poor was used purely in relation to SG. Compared to her, yeah, they’re “poor”. (As am I and, I assume, many of us here on WS are.) That’s how I understood it, anyway.

Money is so often a motivator in murder and kidnapping, I don’t know how it fits here, but I’m sure it’s something LE is looking closely at in regard to family.
Are they? I don't think we are privy to their interviews with family. JMO I understand concentration on their property and nearby, because that was reportedly the last place Nancy was, before being taken home.
 
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