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Feb. 14 (UPI) — Investigators announced finding DNA evidence on the property of Nancy Guthrie’s Tucson home that does not belong to her or anyone close to her, and they impounded a Range Rover SUV on Saturday.

No arrests have been made in the case two weeks since Guthrie, 84, was reported missing from her Tucson home, but investigators worked from Friday night into the early morning hours on Saturday after discovering the DNA sample on her property.
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A Pima County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman on Friday confirmed the DNA discovery but said they do not know to whom it belongs.

“Investigators are working to identify who it belongs to,” the sheriff’s department acknowledged, while declining to reveal where it was found
 
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dbm
 
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True, but I had never heard of her before this
I think with the internet as it is this case is worldwide, I am in England and our news both online and off is full of the NG story,
 
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one of the major factors for me not seeing this as a targeted kidnapping is you would want to keep NG alive and comfortable in order to get your ransom, if targeted you would know what medications she took and you would have taken them with her, would have taken her hearing aids (I haven't heard anything from LE confirming if they were taken with her or left behind),
by not taking her medications you are at risk of her health declining and she may die without her medications, we do not know exactly what she took and how important it was to keep her alive,
 
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Besides the house a few days ago & last night, have other search warrants been issued? For example, was Annie’s home searched with a warrant or just searched with permission? (Not implying, I just don’t know the answer to this) I’ve decided to go back to my original thoughts.(and most likely MANY peoples’s original thoughts).
IMO, She was taken by someone whom she knows or by someone hired by someone she knows. She isn’t far. Her medicine is with her & this blew up bigger than expected & now they are stuck. I’m sticking with this.They say the majority of crime happens because of money, sex, or drugs. I’ve eliminated 2 of those in this case. This was intended to be easy peasy, get the $ and run, not kill her etc. and now they don’t know what to do. I wish the media & circus of people would just go home. It might give the captors the breathing room to let her go.
Is it possible that they could have gone to Mexico and gotten the needed medication without a prescription?
 
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Article written by a US reporter. "WILKO MARTÍNEZ-CACHERO, US REPORTER"

I would venture to say that many/most Aussies don't know who Savannah Guthrie is, let alone her mother

I have no hope that Nancy is alive, but this has to be solvable. There is no leaked information about exactly how entry was made, but I am of the opinion that there was much more evidence of a crime, than just the blood down the front path. I do wonder if there is any audio from cameras, and DNA that can link back to the perpetrator/s. There has to be a lot of undisclosed evidence.
There always is. With the Idaho 4 murders everyone thought nothing was happening after a month then bam! Arrest is made. What makes this different is these false detentions looking like they have finally caught someone only to release them. Optics are not good but then again we are still waiting to hear on results from various forensics. It could all be leading towards something or nothing.
 
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that job is for Shienelle or Jenna.
if they gave Shienelle a year to deal with her poor husband, they can handle SG taking a break
that said i dont think she will. she worked hard for that position and is at the top of her game
I think they were pointing out the cutthroat nature of journalism and nothing. I inadvertently started this and that all I meant was sharks were lining up.
 
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True, but I had never heard of her before this
I had not heard of NG but had heard of SG as I am a true crime addict and follow many US cases and have a reasonable knowledge of lots of US media networks and programs
 
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Signs Point to an Inside job

“The cameras were installed by Nancy's family, including her Today anchor daughter Savannah, for their elderly mom's safety, especially if she suffered a fall.

But the abductor knew where they were situated, prompting a belief they may have been familiar with the security setup – first reported by journalist Ashleigh Banfield – inside the home.

A source said, "The signs point to an inside job. Cameras that were smashed inside the home were there to protect their mother.

"Only a very few people have access to them — they were installed to make sure nothing happened to their mom, like if she fell when home alone."

Whoever this possible abductor is, they went inside the house and knew where those cameras were pointing," the insider added. "They were able to smash the cameras before their motion was visible in the recordings or streams. To do this, it takes a chilling level of intel."

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The source of this article is RadarOnline. Not exactly mainstream media or reliable.
 
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Whatever purpose of holstering this way, it is deliberate IMO. Either habitual or offleading.


I've posted about 20 paragraphs or more about the awkward version of "appendix carry" that the Nest cam suspected displayed along with the proper way we conceal carry in this manner.

I have said I think his awkward facsimile was deliberate and practical in it's desired result - intimidation and coercion. I doubt the suspect even knows what an "appendix carry" really is.

When you see him out of frame w/o the backpack, further out (washed out in the IR camera glow) he does not have the gun.holster displayed, but since it is on a belt loop presumably it's concealed. When he approaches he brandished the gun/holster front and center (in a right hand draw orientation). This is deliberate as he's approaching the door. I believe he wanted it to be seen for intimidation and coercion of who he would encounter behind the door. This is further supported by his cumbersome gloves not being practical for a draw or even getting his finger in a trigger guard, or using a semi auto in a mus-profiled pistol holster, in a situation where he'd have to respond (armed homeowner, security guard) but he likely knew he had an easy mark inside. It's more for show and not practical for use. I don't even think it was habitual, but rather a skewed version of what he thought was practical and served his purpose. For instance there are many other ways to conceal carry and then brandish the firearm when you need it (but you'd need a real holster for that) and not some cheap universal holster with a goofy belt loop you picked up laying about.

So IMO this all point to the gun (if it even WAS a live firearm and not a replica, etc.) for intimidation and coercion. Approaching that way also leaves no doubt to the homeowner (masked man approaching brandishing a weapon at night, even in an open carry state) and if it was my house he stood a good chance of getting a Mozambique drill.
 
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Sorry the picture linked to it but I have edited and added.

Interesting. Thanks for linking. I can’t say I remember hearing Ashleigh Bandielf ever say that and she certainly hasn’t repeated it. I’m wondering if this is bad writing because AB discussed the outside cameras being smashed.

Hmm
 
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There always is. With the Idaho 4 murders everyone thought nothing was happening after a month then bam! Arrest is made. What makes this different is these false detentions looking like they have finally caught someone only to release them. Optics are not good but then again we are still waiting to hear on results from various forensics. It could all be leading towards something or nothing.
the issue isn't with the arrest for me but NG health the longer it goes on, but then I haven't thought it was a kidnapping and don't think she is alive, but the possibility exists she is and she is without her heart medication, her pace maker is not monitored, and she is in constant pain according to SG, so the longer it goes on if she was taken alive and kidnapped the more she suffers
 
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Has anyone provided an update on what we currently know about APS? I think it’s important to point out that NG may have been the victim of a scam and possibly harassment. It's very plausible that someone was trying to extort money from her, and the situation escalated too far.
 
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I'm sure this has been brought up and I missed it, but if this was indeed a local (if not inside) job, I wonder if the perpetrator(s) knew how the sheriff would likely approach the investigation, figuring they were in the clear. jmo
 
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I have not read every comment but for those that think it was someone she knew or had seen before, I lean that way because of the ski mask and the person (if involved) showing up on camera in the middle of the night not too far away in the days before. I don't think they wanted her to recognize them. Just my two cents. I am guessing a hired person/roofer or just a hired bad guy. I think it was for money not revenge.
 
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True, but I had never heard of her before this
Hadn’t heard of her either in Aus. There does seem to be daily coverage but I wouldn’t say it all over the news. Our political situation this week has taken precedence.
 
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Ok, . Getting into this. I worked in NYC for years. A friend of my who left the force during the DeBlasio admin started a landscaping business in a cushy part of Long Island with estates and McMansions. It is no secret that there are crime affiliations and gangs based on ethnic commonality/nationalities. It is not just a cliche that many landscape hires are Spanish speaking. My friend told me "you'd be surprised how many of these guys I hired have connections, a cousin and friend a neighbor. Whatever, I have to be real careful hiring these dudes, bringing them around these houses." We had a huge problem with MS13 in the tri-state suburbs, and most people in those communities are very innocent good hardworking people, but you have to understand they navigate and live in close proximity to that element. From what I understand from colleagues many border towns share this same dynamic. So associates, wannabes, a crazy cousin trying to front as a gangbanger. I can see that sphere of influence here. There's a gray area with the street life as it were.

But it can always be something totally random. Some cases fit the pattern some are way left field.
Re Drug Trade. JMO

Along these lines, I mentioned earlier, that I thought it may be someone in the drug trade. Very close to Border where drugs come across daily, many people undoubtedly “ moonlight” in the drug trade. Tucson is known to have a lot of crime, probably drug crime is high, including getting rid of possible snitches. JMO

Possibly someone who worked for NG, day job checked out, hard working, honest on day job. Good work reviews. Worked some kind of construction or repair.

Maybe, one day NG happened to be walking near a worker, his car trunk open, she spotted what looked like cocaine bricks. Because NG had seen this on the News, close to border. NG asked “hey, is that drugs? ( she’s sharp as a tack!). It Was drugs!, but the worker closed the trunk and waved her off, “No just supplies for the construction business”. Acted amused and tried to laugh it off, assured her all was good.

Later, this person got paranoid, thought NG might turn him in. He worried about his own freedom, and drug bosses finding out that he may have gotten himself ( and ring) exposed. He hatched a plot with a drug friend, to get disguises, go into NGs home, remove her. So she would not talk, I’m sorry, I think she was killed right away, deposited in desert.

This example is a “ simple” everyday crime, and sadly, this kind of crime happens a lot because of possible exposure of the drug ring. I’m sorry, a beloved Mom is now likely gone. This theory works as there are few obvious clues RN, and in this example, because it was purely voice to voice convo, and no one else heard them, no texts or emails. NG probably forgot about it, didn’t tell anyone either.

Just an idea, as other ideas like kidnapping/ransom don’t make sense to me, too complicated.
I hope I’m wrong, that Nancy is still out there.

JMO

Edited to add, one thing about doesn’t make sense about abduction, the drug trade usually just shoots the person they want gone, doesn’t abduct.
 
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