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Agree. It could be a concerted effort to try to bruise his ego to draw him back out, but that would be both idiotic and dangerous, IMO. What if his idea of rebuffing them is to do it again?

I tend to think it is due more to their own egos and perhaps even overestimating their own abilities, and having to reconcile that their former colleagues at this top-of-the-food-chain-agency can't seem to get a handle on this guy (at least publicly and to their knowledge).

JMO.
Yes, there’s that – and it’s understandable.

Also, the effort the perp directed towards LE was about evading detection, and the effort he directed towards the victim was different. They’re mixing up the two. For his purposes, he didn’t need to be able to draw or handle that gun nimbly with thick gloves on, or to look like an expert on the doorbell footage.

Perhaps video of his vehicle will be his undoing. Till then, anyone assuming he’s a low-level, B&E-type criminal is ruling out a whole bunch of possibilities. In the last year, we’ve see an accomplished programmer with a master’s degree in physics kill many people, and also a vascular surgeon kill two. This perp has evaded identification for longer than either of them managed.
 
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I got tired of rewinding the BE video, so I tried my hand at very roughly mapping out the blood spots on the porch. I'm not sure how much use this is, and this kind of thing is not my strong suit at all, but I figured I'd post it here.

View attachment 648816
The slightly lighter red blob represents the larger blood pool area, and the roughly circular shape is the approximate extend of the blood spatter. Again, all very, very rough. The video also doesn't show much of the porch in detail, so who knows what's missing.

Although I can't see blood on the doormat (can you?), it looks like the spatter is maybe slightly curtailed on that side, which could indicate either Nancy of the suspect were standing there, preventing the spatter from reaching as far on that side. Just a guess.

Please let me know if you see any errors or misses.
Given how close the blood splatters are to the mat it is completely beyond me to understand why it was not immediately removed and sent for testing.
 
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Smart to avoid carrying phones! Thecreepy door guy (s) are no bumbling got lucky idiots. They evaded cameras! Drove fast past them. Hid cars from view Possibly took a walkie talkie! Did not leave ‘easy’ DNA . Are not in CODIS. Stole the camera. Avoided ransom note detection to date. Did not leave / hide NG in a place findable to date. JMO.
Based on your observations Tiger, what kind of criminals are we looking at? I am assuming their skill set is not something they just picked up off the internet. Experienced, intelligent, careful about details, etc.
What was their goal?
 
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I don't think that whoever did this is all that brilliant, but I think it was clearly pre-planned including possible contingencies. It was a big operation to them so I really doubt it was a drunken notion or a drug-infused one. They have been really lucky so far, and are thoroughly enjoying their free status, as well as the notoriety and the pain and grief they have caused. Not new, but indicative of the pervasiveness of our non-empathetic, lawless trend in our culture. Just as I see it. jmo
 
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I got tired of rewinding the BE video, so I tried my hand at very roughly mapping out the blood spots on the porch. I'm not sure how much use this is, and this kind of thing is not my strong suit at all, but I figured I'd post it here.

View attachment 648816
The slightly lighter red blob represents the larger blood pool area, and the roughly circular shape is the approximate extend of the blood spatter. Again, all very, very rough. The video also doesn't show much of the porch in detail, so who knows what's missing.

Although I can't see blood on the doormat (can you?), it looks like the spatter is maybe slightly curtailed on that side, which could indicate either Nancy of the suspect were standing there, preventing the spatter from reaching as far on that side. Just a guess.

Please let me know if you see any errors or misses.
Good work. It would indicate that NG is probably bleeding from the left side of her body/face, which would mean the perp is right handed.

Also, it's quite a significant amount of blood, but doesn't immediately look life-threatening.

Do you think it's blood from a bleeding/broken nose?
 
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First rodeo, imo. . He's possibly a shrinking violet, unobtrusive, attachment issues..a loner..you know the type...Someone's cousin who always shows up at family events by himself. That getup he was wearing was an expression of his alter ego. JMO
I think somewhere in the middle.

He's done bits before, but not to this degree.
 
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Good work. It would indicate that NG is probably bleeding from the left side of her body/face, which would mean the perp is right handed.

Also, it's quite a significant amount of blood, but doesn't immediately look life-threatening.

Do you think it's blood from a bleeding/broken nose?
I saw somebody say that it's very likely a nose bleed and that the area with most spatter looks consistent with her coughing at that point which would create a similar pattern.

JMO
 
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Sorry if this has been answered before. Was NG's blood found inside her house
 
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It's weird we haven't heard anything more from LD after the one attorney statement. Quite the opposite with CP. Most people would want to clear their name.
 
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I saw somebody say that it's very likely a nose bleed and that the area with most spatter looks consistent with her coughing at that point which would create a similar pattern.

JMO
Yes she might have been punched or elbowed in the nose
 
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It's weird we haven't heard anything more from LD after the one attorney statement. Quite the opposite with CP. Most people would want to clear their name.
Attorney might want to keep him quiet because he has other charges pending. JMO.
 
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I got tired of rewinding the BE video, so I tried my hand at very roughly mapping out the blood spots on the porch. I'm not sure how much use this is, and this kind of thing is not my strong suit at all, but I figured I'd post it here.

View attachment 648816
The slightly lighter red blob represents the larger blood pool area, and the roughly circular shape is the approximate extend of the blood spatter. Again, all very, very rough. The video also doesn't show much of the porch in detail, so who knows what's missing.

Although I can't see blood on the doormat (can you?), it looks like the spatter is maybe slightly curtailed on that side, which could indicate either Nancy of the suspect were standing there, preventing the spatter from reaching as far on that side. Just a guess.

Please let me know if you see any errors or misses.
Nice work! I hadn’t noticed while studying the photos and videos, but the view from this perspective gives me the immediate impression that she was being carried out rather than walking. I suppose she could have been ushered out alongside the abductor, but the doorframe itself acts as a bottleneck to any foot traffic and I’d expect that a blood trail would be more central - even if it was coming from her left extremity.
MOO
 
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I don't know about serial killer, but to me it's hard to imagine this was his first time attacking a woman. It seems too extreme to go from nothing to this.
I think he will have had practice runs at breaking in and perhaps this was the first abduction attempt. I don’t think it is a burglary gone wrong as surely they would have plenty of opportunities to do that when no one is home. Plus no mention of anything stolen.
 
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@mikerreports

PCSD has released a new statement. 2/27 GUTHRIE UPDATEInvestigation:

This remains an active investigation and will continue until Nancy Guthrie is located or all leads have been exhausted. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department is refocusing resources to detectives specifically assigned to this case. As leads are developed and resolved, resource allocation may fluctuate. PCSD will maintain a patrol presence in the Guthrie neighborhood.

Video: Investigators are actively reviewing surveillance video of vehicles traveling in the Catalina Foothills area, including areas farther from the Guthrie residence.

We have asked homeowners in the surrounding community to submit any relevant footage and encourage anyone who has not yet done so to please share video using the link below:
https://pimasheriff.evidence.com/axon/community-request/public/nancy-guthrieInvestigators continue to review hundreds of hours of surveillance footage, and we thank those who have already provided video to assist in this investigation.

Nearby Arrest: Shortly before 8:00 p.m. on February 26, 2026, deputies arrested 34-year-old A.C. in front of Nancy Guthrie’s home on misdemeanor DUI charges. This arrest is not related to the Guthrie investigation.
PIOs do not provide police reports. Reports must be requested through [email protected] Number: 260226263Tips: As tips continue to come in to various tip lines offering a reward, we ask that you contact the agencies administering those tip lines directly for call volume information, either the FBI or 88-CRIME, which is run by the Pima County Attorney’s Office.
 
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Sorry if this has been answered before. Was NG's blood found inside her house

According to AB's source, yes. They also told AB that the blood patterns were the same inside as the ones outside. Blood drops falling from a height.
The source didn't tell her where in the house the blood was found though.
 
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@MattFinnFNC The man arrested outside Nancy's home last night is not related to the case, per Sheriff's Dept.Nearby Arrest: Shortly before 8:00 p.m. on February 26, 2026, deputies arrested 34-year-old Antonio De Jesus Pena-Campos in front of Nancy Guthrie’s home on misdemeanor DUI charges. This arrest is not related to the Guthrie investigation.
 
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I learn something new every day on here. Light trespassing is a thing

Residents can have outdoor lighting as long as it is in code.

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Turn on outside lights Only When Needed, use timers and motion sensors.

Keep ALL Outdoor lights shining Downward, no light above the horizontal.

Use the Right Amount of light for the task at hand, more is not better.

Use light sources (lamps) under 3,500K (warmer colors) for ALL outside lights
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Southern Arizona Chapter Of The International DarkSky Association – "Light Pollution" – The Only Pollution that Costs More to Perpetuate than to Eliminate!

https://content.civicplus.com/api/a...-tucson-pima-county-outdoor-lighting-code.pdf

Basically codes don’t allow light to escape in to the sky and no light trespass on to neighboring properties.
The warmer lighting is more effective for safety since it provides enhanced contrast and depth perception.

...
Amber LED lighting, with color temperatures typically around 1800K to 2200K, offers an excellent solution for exterior applications.

  • Enhanced Visibility and Safety: Contrary to popular belief, warmer lighting can actually improve visibility (when compared to cooler color temperatures) by reducing the possibility of glare. The softer illumination provided by warmer color temperatures, especially amber LEDs, enhances contrast and depth perception, making outdoor spaces safer and more comfortable.
  • ...

Warmer Lights, Better Nights - Barton Associates, Inc. - Consulting Engineers




all imo
THANK YOU so much for finding and posting this. I'm a local who has been intermittently lurking here since the first week of the case and all the "Tucson is shockingly dark and scary" comments have been making me a little nuts (and more than a little sad). One of the many, many things I love about Tucson is that its a dark sky city, but I've never even been really aware of a specific "ordinance" because it simply isn't true that, as one person said here, the government dictates that people can't have lights outside their houses. I haven't lived anywhere here where people don't have lights at least outside their front doors if not other doors, plus motion-detector lights and so on. We have lights outside all our doors on our patios, under awnings, as well as solar pathway lights that shine down on the pathway. We also have down-facing streetlights, but we live near downtown, not in the outskirts. My parents live in a different area of the Catalina Foothills and have plenty of light close to the house.

Perhaps more importantly, I've lived in some so-called sketchy areas of town and our current neighborhood has much more crime than the foothills, but I've never felt like Tucson in general is a scary place to live. To be fair, I also wouldn't go out and walk my neighborhood alone at night ...

So thank you for finding the facts, here. Plus, I learned a couple of things. I didn't know amber lighting was better, plus now I know the neighbor across the street with the very bright light that shines across into our yard is probably not supposed to do that. 😄
 
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It's weird we haven't heard anything more from LD after the one attorney statement. Quite the opposite with CP. Most people would want to clear their name.
I mean the distinction is LD is a felon who was known to LE in the area, and he has a 2025 case still pending and currently still on probation for a prior conviction.

Carlos has no criminal history or legal issues pending as we know, and they damaged his house and freaked his family out according to interviews.
 
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THANK YOU so much for finding and posting this. I'm a local who has been intermittently lurking here since the first week of the case and all the "Tucson is shockingly dark and scary" comments have been making me a little nuts (and more than a little sad). One of the many, many things I love about Tucson is that its a dark sky city, but I've never even been really aware of a specific "ordinance" because it simply isn't true that, as one person said here, the government dictates that people can't have lights outside their houses. I haven't lived anywhere here where people don't have lights at least outside their front doors if not other doors, plus motion-detector lights and so on. We have lights outside all our doors on our patios, under awnings, as well as solar pathway lights that shine down on the pathway. We also have down-facing streetlights, but we live near downtown, not in the outskirts. My parents live in a different area of the Catalina Foothills and have plenty of light close to the house.

Perhaps more importantly, I've lived in some so-called sketchy areas of town and our current neighborhood has much more crime than the foothills, but I've never felt like Tucson in general is a scary place to live. To be fair, I also wouldn't go out and walk my neighborhood alone at night ...

So thank you for finding the facts, here. Plus, I learned a couple of things. I didn't know amber lighting was better, plus now I know the neighbor across the street with the very bright light that shines across into our yard is probably not supposed to do that. 😄




I live in the woods with no street lighting but the houses here have ample lighting. What stood out to me in NG area was that the immediate areas around houses and those neighborhoods were dark.

Here are the outdoor lighting codes for Pima:

PIMA_Codes.webp


Tucson’s strict low-light ordinances (adopted in 1972, updated 2012) require fully shielded outdoor lighting and specific, low-color temperature LEDs for nearly all commercial and residential fixtures. These laws protect astronomical observatories and reduce light pollution, requiring that light is directed downward to prevent upward light spill
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