Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Friday Fan]

I hadn't even considered the perp just, essentially, keeping the body. I had always just assumed with the vast areas of open land they just drove somewhere remote and dumped the body

Though I guess they maintain an element of control by knowing the where, and could revisit, if it was that kind of crime

But they would likely be familiar with that land. They don't want to dump a body where it will be easily found. A place may "look" remote, but it may have a landowner which combs the site frequently. Public lands are also a good bet. Still, the perp would place it in a spot they were familiar with on public land.

 

[SMK777]

But they would likely be familiar with that land. They don't want to dump a body where it will be easily found. A place may "look" remote, but it may have a landowner which combs the site frequently. Public lands are also a good bet. Still, the perp would place it in a spot they were familiar with on public land.

And your post also just reminded me of cases where the body is found on land that turns out to be connected to the perp (for example, a body is found on land owned by the perp's grandfather, etc).
But maybe wouldn't apply to this case.

 

[MrsEmmaPeel]

Remember those vast areas of land where you might dump a body are mostly private property. You never know when you might be spotted or your car might be on a camera. Assailant has to have an idea of a remote or neglected place that feels safe and where they know the lay of the land.

 

[cathathorse]

One who is either:

a. A professional

OR

b. From the higher echelons of society

OR

c. Very secretive.

if he were from the higher echelons of society, he would be recognized by more than just his family.

 

[SlimPickens]

One who is either:

a. A professional

OR

b. From the higher echelons of society

OR

c. Very secretive.

One would think that B or C would still be recognized by someone considering there isn't a person in the country that hasn't seen that video. It's getting so popular that I imagine memes will be made with it soon.

A is one that sticks out to me, and every day that passes makes the case stronger for it. And if it was a for hire kind of thing, whomever did the hiring probably hired from outside of the country.

Another possibility that keeps coming back to me is those online nihilistic anarchist thrill/kill cults who initiate members by convincing them to do things like this. And they continually escalate things to encourage higher status within that community. These types of folks would definitely have the tech prowess to not be tracked online (or elsewhere), and creating a digitally anonymous presence would likely be a piece of cake. These are 'dark web' types.

JMO.

 

[tkcrockett]

I'm not sure why how they got into the house is so important - maybe I missed something not sure - but I can tell you I have the exact tile Nancy has on my front porch along with a mat and if I'm in a hurry and there's any small debris on the porch I'm likely to miss drops of blood.

The other thing is - and I think someone else has addressed this - if they came through the front door and saw blood drops doesn't it make sense that they would immediately start looking for her? Maybe it's a nose bleed, maybe she cut herself and went inside to bandage herself, but in no case would I immediately think "oh no she's been attacked by an intruder".

Or, they didn't come through the front door they came through the garage or another door instead.

Why is which door they came through important to solving the case?

right. plus, every car we have seen pull up to that house has gone to the garage side. we have seen cars pull into the garage on at least 2 occasions. I'd guess that the garage was really the main entry point of those familiar with the house. but, again, why does it matter?

 

[Forest_Wood]

Imo I believe because of the masks he was being very careful not to fall or trip.

Yes, front door guy looked like he was treading gingerly and walking slowly. The OP pondered about the arrested guy walking quickly out of court and how he seems to match the perp's description, except for his walk. If the video speed was slowed down by the FBI before they posted it (say, in the hope viewers would get a good look at the perp's gait) then his normal cadence may be much faster that what we see in the front door video.
JMO

 

[submarine7]

What kind of motive and what kind of perpetrator do we actually have here if no one in his periphery will turn him in for 1.1 million dollars?

* The alpha if there were others involved
* Somebody who would eliminate anybody who could rat him out
* Antisocial behaviour
* Somebody with obsessive thoughts
* Somebody with poor impulse control
* Perhaps not from the Tucson area
* Organized and prepared type
* Lacks empathy

* I still think kidnap/ransom was the primary goal
* Deeply personal reason that others may not understand

 

[Annie b- 14]

What if someone sees the images and award, and knows that they recognize the build, gait, or jacket; but they are afraid of the perpetrator finding out they made /make this identification ? Is there protection for them?
Maybe this has already been addressed; it seems like a realistic scenario to me…

 

[emigrate]

Is DC the weed guy?

Who DC I am lost again I thought I was caught up

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

I believe DC is the chap who made the ransom texts to AG and TC’s mobiles.

 

[submarine7]

Agreed this NG crime could be for the adrenaline rush. Allegedly BK (Idaho four crime) , posted online under ‘Pappa Rodger’s’. I read some of his postings. One thing that always stuck with me is that h’Pappa Roger’s’ described the crime as a ‘huge huge adrenaline rush’. I often wonder is this what makes a K ill .. a serial k ill er? That huge adrenaline rush? They come back for it.

I think there's different types but I agree many seem to enjoy the rush they get off the sense of absolute control. Sadistic types would seem to really experience a pleasant and addictive high from drawing out a murder to prolong their pleasure. That rush might drive them to continue.

I think some see their core self as deeply inadequate and that thrill is the surge of power they receive from being in charge. There are narcissists types who mask that same sense of inadequacy with notions of grandeur and self love who might get that rush since they tend to objectify and use people in general and murder would be the pinnacle of desire.

It's really scary to think about these people walking amongst us.

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

What if someone sees the images and award, and knows that they recognize the build, gait, or jacket; but they are afraid of the perpetrator finding out they made /make this identification ? Is there protection for them?
Maybe this has already been addressed; it seems like a realistic scenario to me…

If this is the case, I would hope there would be systems in place to protect the anonymity of the person sharing the information with law enforcement.

 

[Napoli]

What if someone sees the images and award, and knows that they recognize the build, gait, or jacket; but they are afraid of the perpetrator finding out they made /make this identification ? Is there protection for them?
Maybe this has already been addressed; it seems like a realistic scenario to me…

That's a great question. i mean there is a witness protection plan somewhere for certain people..I dont know if that would be available here. If the perp is caught then he's no longer a danger to the award recipient. His identity could be concealed, I suppose until the perp is arrested, jailed ,tried and put in prison. However, that money isnt going to be given immediately. (FBI criteria rules) I was told years ago that nothing is confidential. SOOOO..I would phone in the tip with reasons I know it's Joe, try to make my tip one that would stand OUT but not give my name. Ya know, not everyone has a price. Maybe someone would feel the same way. JMO https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/witness-security

 

[squareandrabbet]

I totally thought that and still wonder, but AB (grain of salt) said her LE source cited the following for LDs warrant:
Phone pings
Felon background
Looks like PG
Tip

I still think that's a big coincidence that they drove similar cars.

JMO

Sometimes people just have runs/seasons of buying the same car, I feel.

I live in NYC so don't drive, but I've absolutely had the experience of going to a public transportation station (train, airport, etc.) waiting to be picked up by someone, and to see 8-12 "different" yet identical (one season it was, I guess, "silver" cars, and specifically SUV's) lined up at curbs waiting for people, at which point I, who doesn't see my hosts' cars everyday, was all "...how do these people know whom they're coming to be picked up by, without they don't know their hosts' license plates?"

 

[Angeleyes_7]

New Brian Entin video-

 

[No it's not]

I would think the Sonoran Desert instead of Saguaro. Saguaro has rangers, visitors, driveways. Been there. The Sonoran is Native land plus immigrant routes. Not a place for vistors.

I am going to build on you mentioning the Sonoran Desert. Something that came to my mind once I read SG’s book ‘Mostly what God does’. I have posted before about the ‘kidnapping game’ they would play as children routinely during summertime. It is mentioned in Chapter11 of her book (Mostly What God Does) on page 90.

The following has been approved by Tricia, as long as I include page numbers of SG’s book:

What caught my attention besides the obvious (the kidnapping game) is the name of the chapter - PSALM 23. SG mentions on page 90 of Chapter 11, that the kidnapping game would result in her (SG) and her sister (AG) calling her mom (NG) from a pit stop somewhere between Tucson and Phoenix (Sonoran Desert) and reporting the kidnapping to their cousin’s T’s house. The mother (NG) would play along and promise to bring them back in a few days.

Pages 91 through 98 : SG goes on stressing the importance of PSALM 23 to her as a spiritual gift from God. On page 93 SG describes PSALM 23 as her secret code between her and God. It seemed to have always been of utmost importance to her. Her entire book is a revelation of her relationship to God.

Does NG’s kidnapping possibly have any religious overtones? Do we have a person, who wants to hurt SG in her most inner core?

While searching for a pitstop, exit or similar on the I10 ( I did check the location in Phoenix, where the relative lived back then, they would have taken I10 IMO) stretch between Tucson and Phoenix I found marker 230. There are frontage roads/ local access.A lot of nothing there except a good amount of greenery/ trees and water features. That would be located in Pinal County.

Marker 230 reminds me of PSALM 23..I might be reaching here, but I just wanted to include that possibility. No stone unturned.

Pinal County does own a state of the art heli by the way with high tech search and rescue equipped. Their heli, tail number N151H ( if you want to check) has not done a SAR mission to my knowledge with a search and rescue profile in that area so far. Perhaps it’s time.

MILE MARKER 230 on I10:

COORDINATES: 32°31'51.67"N 111°17'14.50"W

ALL IMO

Thanks,
Nin

 

[SlimPickens]

* The alpha if there were others involved
* Somebody who would eliminate anybody who could rat him out
* Antisocial behaviour
* Somebody with obsessive thoughts
* Somebody with poor impulse control
* Perhaps not from the Tucson area
* Organized and prepared type
* Lacks empathy

* I still think kidnap/ransom was the primary goal
* Deeply personal reason that others may not understand

I just hope they're trolling the dark web (or whatever the bowels of the internet is called). There could be digital sharing and other communications on there that could flag something or someone. If this guy also did the ransom demand and he's managed to circumvent the FBI, (likely) the NSA, and whomever else might be trying to find him via his proxy IPs, I imagine that's a place in which he would be intimately familiar. That's where folks with those kinds of tech skillsets frequent, particularly ones with fetishes and/or ideologies that may not align with societal norms. And for that matter hope they're monitoring Discord too, though from what I understand that is virtually impossible to decipher. Or subpoena for that matter.

JMO.

 

[submarine7]

Sometimes people just have runs/seasons of buying the same car, I feel.

I live in NYC so don't drive, but I've absolutely had the experience of going to a public transportation station (train, airport, etc.) waiting to be picked up by someone, and to see 8-12 "different" yet identical (one season it was, I guess, "silver" cars, and specifically SUV's) lined up at curbs waiting for people, at which point I, who doesn't see my hosts' cars everyday, was all "...how do these people know whom they're coming to be picked up by, without they don't know their hosts' license plates?"

There had to be a Prius and Tesla season. True, car types and even colors can be trends.

 

[submarine7]

One would think that B or C would still be recognized by someone considering there isn't a person in the country that hasn't seen that video. It's getting so popular that I imagine memes will be made with it soon.

A is one that sticks out to me, and every day that passes makes the case stronger for it. And if it was a for hire kind of thing, whomever did the hiring probably hired from outside of the country.

Another possibility that keeps coming back to me is those online nihilistic anarchist thrill/kill cults who initiate members by convincing them to do things like this. And they continually escalate things to encourage higher status within that community. These types of folks would definitely have the tech prowess to not be tracked online (or elsewhere), and creating a digitally anonymous presence would likely be a piece of cake. These are 'dark web' types.

JMO.

I believe there are groups who even enjoy watching a victim harmed online, or even killed. Much like some pedeophiles like to stream abuse. The dark web can make it very difficult to track.