Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[VeronicaVaughn]

What evidence has made you think about this Veronica?

No evidence that I've seen yet. Just a hunch, which is why I need to put extra emphasis on "MOO, IMO, JMO..."

 

[Cassie P]

I get that, but I also remind myself even normal things are going to look weird on night vision/ infrared. so then I'm not sure, and ockham nudges me back to "just real facial hair".

Yes but all the fake stuff pulls me to consider fake hair too. Double masks, layers of clothing, double gloves. Designed to fake us out.

The end goal of parsimony (Occam's Razor) is not just simplicity, but simplicity that links all the data and is in context of other evidence.

 

[Cassie P]

Did Nancy Guthrie's abductor return to the crime scene?​

Law enforcement expert warns Nancy Guthrie's abductor could return to crime scene as tribute continues drawing visitors​

"Potentially, that is the type of person that could come back to the memorial, look at the memorial, even take photos of the memorial and add to the memorial themselves."

"But it's also not untypical in a homicide case or, in this case, a missing person," she continued. "We've got to look at the psychology of people who do this kind of stuff. They also may want to come back to see what kind of people are leaving notes and leaving flowers."

For that reason, she said, investigators should be reading the notes to develop potential leads.

Did Nancy Guthrie's abductor return to the crime scene?

As a memorial grows outside Nancy Guthrie’s Tucson home, an expert says her abductor could return to the site, noting offenders sometimes revisit crime scenes.

www.foxnews.com

I assume LE has video cameras going at all times?

 

[Vaderman]

Just observed and read this CBS article stating that they arrested someone earlier today that perhaps murdered 3 women, one of them in their 80’s.
No idea if this is relevant to the NG case. Certainly local Tucson Law Enforcement is aware of these crimes.
The Utah investigators traced the suspect through Arizona, Colorado and Utah.

Suspect in custody after 3 women found dead in Utah, 2 on hiking trail, authorities say

A suspect is in custody after authorities in Utah found two women's bodies on a hiking trail and a third woman dead in a home nearby.

www.cbsnews.com

I read this earlier and did wonder. Crazier things have happened on these threads. JMO

 

[Cassie P]

No evidence that I've seen yet. Just a hunch, which is why I need to put extra emphasis on "MOO, IMO, JMO..."

That's fine. Hunches can be good. I was just being curious. And thinking maybe I missed something.

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

That's fine. Hunches can be good. I was just being curious. And thinking maybe I missed something.

Not at all, at least nothing that I can solidly point to as evidence. If that changes, I'll be sure to update my info!

 

[Cassie P]

In my opinion that's the worst thing she can convey. She's playing to the perp? Article says she will return at some point bla bla. Gives a stalker-type hope. I will see her againI On the outside chance NG is still alive and being held in a seasonal cottage somewhere with little traffic and diminished population due to it being winter, for example, he will hold on to NG. Even if NG has passed, he can look forward to daily communion with SG.

Article about SG stopping in to NBC and saying she will be back eventually was not newsworthy. However, it was information to perp about where she is at the moment. I think that was foolish. JMO

What strategy would be better to manage the perp?

 

[Bruxer]

Just a thought....has anyone looked into the fact that Nancy's house was up for sale and then unlisted? That means that others would have had the keys to the home possibly? Presumably real estate agents have been encouraged to check their unoccupied properties?

A random thought that keeps popping into my head. JMO MOO IMO and all that jazz.

 

[Cassie P]

I said that wrong, conflating the cosplay feeling people get with show business flair.

What would be the difference between cosplay and show business flair in the perp?
Does cosplay mean an amateur/regular person pretending to be something he is not, and show business is more professional and trained?

Or do you mean the perp was said to be overly dramatic and exaggerated?

I am trying to understand what people are describing.

 

[Hans Olo]

No, I got this from forming an opinion of his personality and concluding that like, say, Dennis Rader, David Berkowitz, or Theodore Kaczynski, he enjoys feeling superior to law enforcement, probably gloating that he's "so much smarter than them." But as I said, that is my ASSUMPTION. You don't have to agree with me.

My point was that everything we know, factually, about the perpetrator is in that video clip. Everything else is just assumption. You’re entitled to your opinion, of course… but it seems like a hyperspecific theory, for so little factual information.

 

[SaraSmile]

Your concern is the same as mine. Lots of public interest but it should be tempered with safety.

I wonder if the security around SG and her close family is enough. Are they trying to be stealth enough to detect out of character fans.

I would think most fans are genuinely friendly and mean no harm but then there’s the creepy ones, over zealous, dangerous, etc. It’s not like they can put anyone other than SG out there as a target to draw out the perp. Almost like it’s a calculated risk. They don’t let anyone near her, of course but they watch the cameras in the area to see if anyone peaks their interest.

Just thinking. JMO.

I think the perp is staying in Tucson. Laying low. Maybe visiting the Memorial in front of NG’s house.
Not going to NYC Today show, as a fan.
JMO

 

[Cassie P]

Just a thought....has anyone looked into the fact that Nancy's house was up for sale and then unlisted? That means that others would have had the keys to the home possibly? Presumably real estate agents have been encouraged to check their unoccupied properties?

A random thought that keeps popping into my head. JMO MOO IMO and all that jazz.

Real estate agents keep a list of all their showings? So there would be names, time, dates of NG home showings when it was up for sale?
Do we know why she took it off the market?

 

[JustATech]

Ok. I am 100% behind the entire Guthrie family. I have always been. I never thought they were POI etc. The world isnt poised to see if and when she comes back to NBC. There's a perp on the loose. At its core this is a family tragedy.

That being said, Why is this news? Why is this publicized? Why let the perp know where SG is? Trying to see if the perp followed her to NY? The perp is a dangerous person. Ask yourself what is to be gained by making SG's visit to NBC a publicity moment? NOT being critical. I am wondering about motivation. If there is any. There's nothing newsworthy in what was revealed. IMO JMO

Maybe they feel the publicity will help to draw him out somehow? Perhaps with more communication from him?

 

[submarine7]

Just a thought....has anyone looked into the fact that Nancy's house was up for sale and then unlisted? That means that others would have had the keys to the home possibly? Presumably real estate agents have been encouraged to check their unoccupied properties?

A random thought that keeps popping into my head. JMO MOO IMO and all that jazz.

Open Houses could provide information for people with bad intentions.

Edit to add I assume this has been covered by LE.

 

[Lebowski]

Yes but all the fake stuff pulls me to consider fake hair too. Double masks, layers of clothing, double gloves. Designed to fake us out.

The end goal of parsimony (Occam's Razor) is not just simplicity, but simplicity that links all the data and is in context of other evidence.

absolutely fair on the general point.

"a theory should be as simple as possible. not simpler."

 

[Arkay]

I’m not saying anything new, obviously, but it’s just so discouraging that nothing much is known yet.

Here we have thousands upon thousands of posts, so many of us have spent a month in conjecture and speculation, but we know nothing more than we did when the video at the porch came out.

I hope that as often happens in cases, LE has much more info that isn’t being released.

I think IGG would be the only way at this point, but so far the DNA hasn’t appeared to be very viable.

I’ve seen the articles about Savannah coming back to NY and possibly resuming her career.

IMO she and her siblings have to do what is right for them at this juncture.

Savannah, Annie and Camron are a nuclear family with Nancy, but they also have nuclear families with spouses and children.

Personally I’d like to see Savannah return to Today, but she will be forever changed. We all know this isn’t just the death of a parent, but an unresolved horror. With no answers, this will never really end.

Naturally I hope NG will ultimately be found, one way or the other, and the culprit(s) will be caught and imprisoned, but so far it seems the closure may never come.

JMO after all this time has elapsed.

 

[Napoli]

I agree. Every day that goes by with no arrest, no body, etc., tells us that this man has some experience or is quite sophisticated. It cannot all be luck.

He doesnt have to have had other criminal activity to be sophisticated. He chose garments that concealed him well and avoided the shedding of DNA. He is a person who pays meticulous attention to detail. He plans. He isnt some street who takes chances getting his illegal drugs, for example. His raid on the Guthrie home was precise and targeted and it was mission accomplished. He's a quiet over achiever or even an academic, perhaps. Deep thinker for sure. He is not a high school drop out with a comorbidity like drug abuse. JMO

 

[TSH92]

Open Houses could provide information for people with bad intentions.

Edit to add I assume this has been covered by LE.

This is a good point. In my town a number of recent burglaries were of houses recently listed for sale. They may have attended open houses or figured out the layout from the photos.

 

[Helechawagirl]

I'm way behind in this thread because it is moving very very fast...what restaurant? lol

ETA: Oh, I get it---the black glove was from a restaurant worker so we are looking at that connection?

I kinda wonder if a neighbor is involved. They would know her background, financial status etc. perhaps a relative of a neighbor.

I think the doorbell video has missing parts. I wonder if anyone is seen exiting the home. I find it doubtful that she was taken out the front door. Maybe she tried to run? I can’t explain the blood drops at the front door. Just my opinion.

 

[TGFsleuth]

New member here with a motive theory. Nancy had flood lights in her yard and connected to her house - some were destroyed, possibly the one by her door was destroyed by the perp. Destroyed flood light was referenced in the ransom message (the ransom message was likely a ruse to confuse the investigation but could have been sent by the perp) Where Nancy lived there is an ordinance that controls lighting to ensure the area is dark for nighttime viewing of stars/landscape, etc. There are strict rules for compliance but if someone is not compliant, law enforcement will not get involved - it becomes a civil matter which makes disputes very hard to resolve. Could it be that the lighting around her home was disturbing someone in the area? Disputes over such issues can blow up. If you google flood lighting and murders - you'll see that such disputes have resulted in murder.

Perhaps Nancy, a very nice/lovely person, had been confronted by someone over her flood lighting and she stood her ground. I do not know if her lighting was such that it would cause issues, maybe this should be looked into?