• #43,921
That's really interesting. Blood splatter experts certainly would know how to read the blood on the porch.

If she were alive and able to walk out the door, that creates all sorts of questions related to the perpetrator's motives and goals in this crime.

JMO

Absolutely. I think most folks are coming around to the idea that the crime was exactly what the perp said it was - a kidnapping for ransom. Nothing else really fits anyway given context, particularly SG's wealth.

JMO.
 
  • #43,922
Regarding the internet outage - I don't understand how anyone would know there was an outage in the middle of the night. It's not like when the electricity goes out and you see clocks blinking in the morning. Do these people have continuous video recording?

I'm pretty dubious about any internet outage - I just don't see that happening and I've not seen any technical explanations. How many ISPs service this neighborhood? Does anyone have any more info?
 
  • #43,923
Regarding the internet outage - I don't understand how anyone would know there was an outage in the middle of the night. It's not like when the electricity goes out and you see clocks blinking in the morning. Do these people have continuous video recording?

I'm pretty dubious about any internet outage - I just don't see that happening and I've not seen any technical explanations. How many ISPs service this neighborhood? Does anyone have any more info?

Forgive me for thinking this is sus but two Ring video cameras of theirs in the back of their house that faces in the direction of the Guthrie home was unavailable around the time LE believes she went missing but the Ring video cameras in the front of their home were working?

They say they were outside their residence with their dog videotaping them around this same time?

Did they bring their dog out of the back of their home or the front?

Is LE asking other neighbors if they had issues with their power/Wi-Fi to try to corroborate their story?

Was the perp so elaborately prepared that he made sure that even homes that were a few houses removed from Nancy didn't record him?
 
  • #43,924
Forgive me for thinking this is sus but two Ring video cameras of theirs in the back of their house that faces in the direction of the Guthrie home was unavailable around the time LE believes she went missing but the Ring video cameras in the front of their home were working?

They say they were outside their residence with their dog videotaping them around this same time?

Did they bring their dog out of the back of their home or the front?

Is LE asking other neighbors if they had issues with their power/Wi-Fi to try to corroborate their story?

Was the perp so elaborately prepared that he made sure that even homes that were a few houses removed from Nancy didn't record him?
Yes, exactly what you’ve written here. Whole lot of weird coincidences, if this is an accurate recollection (or, less charitably, a story) from these neighbors. It feels real hinky to me, but that’s JMO.
 
  • #43,925
Forgive me for thinking this is sus but two Ring video cameras of theirs in the back of their house that faces in the direction of the Guthrie home was unavailable around the time LE believes she went missing but the Ring video cameras in the front of their home were working?

They say they were outside their residence with their dog videotaping them around this same time?

Did they bring their dog out of the back of their home or the front?

Is LE asking other neighbors if they had issues with their power/Wi-Fi to try to corroborate their story?

Was the perp so elaborately prepared that he made sure that even homes that were a few houses removed from Nancy didn't record him?
I'm not buying it.

ETA to be clear, I am talking about the supposed internet outage - I don't believe that occurred. I do believe the dog acted weird. 🐕👍
 
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  • #43,927
Is it mentioned what breed of dog the neighbors owned? Apologies, I cannot watch the BE video atm.
Not stated what breed.

Here is a basic summary (AI extracted) on the dog and the neighbors recounting:

What they say about the neighbors and the dog (mid-video)
Around the midpoint of the discussion, the commentators talk about activity in the neighborhood and what nearby residents noticed the night Nancy Guthrie disappeared. The main points:

A neighbor’s dog reportedly reacted that night.
  • The dog was said to have barked or acted unusually, suggesting it may have sensed someone moving around outside during the time frame of the suspected kidnapping.
  • Investigators and commentators speculate that dogs often react to unfamiliar people or movement, which could support the idea that someone was moving through the area.
  1. Neighbors did not report anything clearly suspicious at the time.
    • Despite the dog’s reaction, no neighbors came forward with definitive observations of a person, vehicle, or disturbance that night.
    • This is partly attributed to the layout of the community.
  2. The neighborhood is spaced out and relatively quiet.
    • Homes are not close together, which means neighbors are less likely to notice activity at another house.
    • In retirement-style communities like this one, residents may not know each other well or monitor each other’s routines, which reduces informal surveillance.
  3. Implication for the case.
    • The barking dog is treated as a small circumstantial clue, but not hard evidence.
    • The broader takeaway is that the environment made it possible for someone to approach and leave the property without being noticed.

ETA: Mods feel free to add spoilers to this, I can’t get them to work with the numbered list
 
  • #43,928
Law enforcement has video (probably lots) of vehicles.
I doubt the individual adhered to the speed limit when departing NG house. So even that could help narrow down the
search for the individual.
 
  • #43,929
Law enforcement has video (probably lots) of vehicles.
I doubt the individual adhered to the speed limit when departing NG house. So even that could help narrow down the
search for the individual.
Good point, but if he was smart about it, would intentionally adhere to the speed limit to fly under the radar.
 
  • #43,930
Many blood splatter experts appearing on the news stations have said that the blood on the porch looks to be consistent with her being upright and walking herself out.

JMO.
I find this interesting. The pattern doesn't match what I have seen with a cane walker who is bleeding ( my grandmother, ), but that could be a side thing (which side you use your cane on, where you are bleeding from.) I'm having a very hard time seeing how she got out of the house under her own power and left no cane tracks. And if she didn't use her cane and someone helped her, how? If she needed her cane, she wasn't getting out of there under her own power without it or without help.

A person using a walking aid does not step to the side of the door (as a general rule). They might lean on the door jamb with their free hand, but stepping straight out is safest. I also wonder how often she would even use the front door since her mailbox was directly down from the garage. So might the front security door have had springs and it bounced back and bopped her in the nose? But again, I'm not seeing the navigation on her own.

That pattern might make sense if she turned around to close her own front door. Go out, swing to the left to reach and grab the door to close it. Or maybe turn around to address the kidnapper. More random thoughts trying to make sense of what doesn't natch that which I have (minimal) experience in.
 
  • #43,931
Sounds good, right? Leaks are everywhere..Nothing in life is confidential. JMO
And even if there was a guarantee of anonymity, a lot of people - especially in the current political climate - simply do not trust law enforcement
 
  • #43,932
Not stated what breed.

Here is a basic summary (AI extracted) on the dog and the neighbors recounting:

What they say about the neighbors and the dog (mid-video)
Around the midpoint of the discussion, the commentators talk about activity in the neighborhood and what nearby residents noticed the night Nancy Guthrie disappeared. The main points:

A neighbor’s dog reportedly reacted that night.
  • The dog was said to have barked or acted unusually, suggesting it may have sensed someone moving around outside during the time frame of the suspected kidnapping.
  • Investigators and commentators speculate that dogs often react to unfamiliar people or movement, which could support the idea that someone was moving through the area.
  1. Neighbors did not report anything clearly suspicious at the time.
    • Despite the dog’s reaction, no neighbors came forward with definitive observations of a person, vehicle, or disturbance that night.
    • This is partly attributed to the layout of the community.
  2. The neighborhood is spaced out and relatively quiet.
    • Homes are not close together, which means neighbors are less likely to notice activity at another house.
    • In retirement-style communities like this one, residents may not know each other well or monitor each other’s routines, which reduces informal surveillance.
  3. Implication for the case.
    • The barking dog is treated as a small circumstantial clue, but not hard evidence.
    • The broader takeaway is that the environment made it possible for someone to approach and leave the property without being noticed.

ETA: Mods feel free to add spoilers to this, I can’t get them to work with the numbered list
Thanks! I wonder if the couple immediately told LE about their dog acting funny that night. I assume so, but I could understand various reasons for not doing so.
 
  • #43,933
I find this interesting. The pattern doesn't match what I have seen with a cane walker who is bleeding ( my grandmother, ), but that could be a side thing (which side you use your cane on, where you are bleeding from.) I'm having a very hard time seeing how she got out of the house under her own power and left no cane tracks. And if she didn't use her cane and someone helped her, how? If she needed her cane, she wasn't getting out of there under her own power without it or without help.

A person using a walking aid does not step to the side of the door (as a general rule). They might lean on the door jamb with their free hand, but stepping straight out is safest. I also wonder how often she would even use the front door since her mailbox was directly down from the garage. So might the front security door have had springs and it bounced back and bopped her in the nose? But again, I'm not seeing the navigation on her own.

That pattern might make sense if she turned around to close her own front door. Go out, swing to the left to reach and grab the door to close it. Or maybe turn around to address the kidnapper. More random thoughts trying to make sense of what doesn't natch that which I have (minimal) experience in.

Good post. I suppose it does matter how she walked out if we're going to defer to those blood experts. I honestly don't know unless she was begrudgingly assisted. But it does make sense that she was upright and walking when viewing the the blood path (at least the one I have seen) in that it was heavier at the door suggesting a typical pause for one of them to close the door. The blood pattern then seems to be a bit more light/sporadic as she heads down the steps, indicating to me that she is walking because much of the flow at that point would be hitting her clothing/limbs as she steps. The flow would be more consistent if she was being carried or dragged.

JMO.
 
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I find this interesting. The pattern doesn't match what I have seen with a cane walker who is bleeding ( my grandmother, ), but that could be a side thing (which side you use your cane on, where you are bleeding from.) I'm having a very hard time seeing how she got out of the house under her own power and left no cane tracks. And if she didn't use her cane and someone helped her, how? If she needed her cane, she wasn't getting out of there under her own power without it or without help.

A person using a walking aid does not step to the side of the door (as a general rule). They might lean on the door jamb with their free hand, but stepping straight out is safest. I also wonder how often she would even use the front door since her mailbox was directly down from the garage. So might the front security door have had springs and it bounced back and bopped her in the nose? But again, I'm not seeing the navigation on her own.

That pattern might make sense if she turned around to close her own front door. Go out, swing to the left to reach and grab the door to close it. Or maybe turn around to address the kidnapper. More random thoughts trying to make sense of what doesn't natch that which I have (minimal) experience in.

I spend way too much time thinking of different scenarios. What if Lantana man after covering the camera with the Lantana knocked/banged on the front door? What if Nancy came to the front door and he told her through the door that he is a neighbor and he was just asking if her power went out like his? In this scenario she could have possibly opened the front door. Once she did he might have hit her.

This keeps me up at night. Poor Nancy.
 
  • #43,935
Insomnia = doom scrolling and I just saw this on my FOR YOU column at X. I don't recall seeing this particular post posted here. My apologies if I missed it and this is a duplicate.

This is pretty wild. jmo/moo

ETA: She posted this 16 hours ago; however, as I'm reading through the comments (on X), I think this case was also discussed here in the early weeks of NG's disappearance.

 
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Insomnia = doom scrolling and I just saw this on my FOR YOU column at X. I don't recall seeing this particular post posted here. My apologies if I missed it and this is a duplicate.

This is pretty wild. jmo/moo

ETA: She posted this 16 hours ago; however, as I'm reading through the comments (on X), I think this case was also discussed here in the early weeks of NG's disappearance.

I have been lurking this thread for a while and I think someone has mentioned this. I know it has been mentioned on some Reddit subs.

I'm so glad a family member was able to call 911 in time and the teens did not end up killing anyone.

The teens in this case drove a blue Subaru and NG might have owned a Subaru (has been towed by the police as far as I know). I honestly think the Subaru thing is a coincidence. MOO.

I am frightened of these crimes becoming more mainstream as the economy gets worse and political unrest intensifies everywhere.
 
  • #43,937
Do we even know if the ransoms were legitimate? All I heard was that one of them was phony, so what about the other ones?
 
  • #43,938
I am frightened of these crimes becoming more mainstream as the economy gets worse and political unrest intensifies everywhere.

And as the internet becomes more and more thrill-seeking, desensitizing, nihilistic, and for those with the mindset - depraved.

JMO.
 
  • #43,939
Do we even know if the ransoms were legitimate? All I heard was that one of them was phony, so what about the other ones?
It's never been confirmed either way, although as far as we know, the family didn't pay any ransom
 
  • #43,940
Good post. I suppose it does matter how she walked out if we're going to defer to those blood experts. I honestly don't know unless she was begrudgingly assisted. But it does make sense that she was upright and walking when viewing the the blood path (at least the one I have seen) in that it was heavier at the door suggesting a typical pause for one of them to close the door. The blood pattern then seems to be a bit more light/sporadic as she heads down the steps, indicating to me that she is walking because much of the flow at that point would be hitting her clothing/limbs as she steps. The flow would be more consistent if she was being carried or dragged.

JMO.
I imagine she required some assistance, but I have always felt she walked out because the spatter spot indicates both a cough and life. However, I do not believe she lived long. They thought easy money but I don't believe they intended to return Nancy.

There is a real possibility NG accidentally died considering the stress of the incident. If not, then I think she died quickly and her body is buried somewhere familiar to the kidnapper.

There's still a huge gap that's difficult to reconcile the motive with the actions taken. It feels like something is missing beyond NG.
 
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