GUILTY NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #2

[Tawny]

Seems people are angry/upset at any show of humanity toward someone they view as less than human.

 

[CARIIS]

[FONT=&amp]Tid Bits

Not sure if this stuff has been posted - I was late in the story - my apoligies if this is old news!!


motorcycle accident in November 2015. She said, “He had some issues with his brain and he had two broken hips and broken pelvis broke in half and his nose was broken. It caused him to stutter his words and sometimes he couldn’t remember what he said.”

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]She said he was on his way to Charleston from Charlotte when he was involved in a serious accident.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]

[/FONT]The Charlotte Observer reports[FONT=&amp] that most of those arrested during the protests are local and do not have criminal records.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Rakeyia Scott works as a customer service representation at Carnivals Cruise Lines. She says on that page that her maiden name is Anneice. Rakeyia is a college graduate and says she’s from Charleston, South Carolina, and now lives in Gastonia in North Carolina.

[/FONT]Not justifing violent behavior or history - seeking to learn more , broadening my mind....

Anyone have specfics on his injury??

Substance abuse, traumatic brain injury, and crime were indeed interconnected

5-year follow-up, 31% of these patients had legal problems and 20% of their relatives had been assaulted by them at least once.

TBI patients should be expected to commit crimes because they have poor cognitive skills, impulsivity, and increased aggression, as well as low tolerance for frustration and poor judgment. In their study of 18 subjects in a community corrections day program in Vigo County, Indiana, they

ventromedial frontal lobe lesions could result in violent behavior because frontal lobe damage makes it more difficult for the brain to access social skills leading to disinhibition and aggression.6



14% of the group with frontal lobe injury exhibited physical violence compared with roughly 5% of the controls.

TBI-induced criminality remains a central and controversial area within forensic psychiatry. Behavior resulting from injury has been implicated in violence and crime, especially when coexisting with substance abuse, a violent environment during childhood including abuse, and pre-existing personality disorder. The literature is vast and covers a spectrum of opinions, allowing the forensic psychiatrist to find evidence that would support the prosecution or the defense. Judge for yourself.

Patients with lesions in the mediofrontal and orbitofrontal regions had higher Any Violence Scale and Extreme Violence Scale scores than the control group

The vulnerable amygdala, located within the anterior temporal lobe, is often injured. The amygdala adjoins emotions to thoughts. Damage to the amygdala has led to poor impulse control and violent behavior. In addition, frontal lobe lesions frequently result from damage caused by bony upward projections from the skull. “Orbital frontal lesions resulting from contusions of neural tissue against the floor of the anterior cranial vault can occur when an individual falls backwards striking the occiput against a firm surface.”10 This damage impairs the TBI patient’s ability to regulate limbic input. Therefore, the disinhibited TBI patient with frontal lobe damage often reacts impulsively and even violently.


Damage to specific neurotransmitter systems also causes impulse dyscontrol in TBI patients. The locus ceruleus in the forebrain is often injured, leading to elevations in norepinephrine in post-TBI patients. Increased norepinephrine levels have been correlated with aggressiveness and impulsivity

Agitation and aggression have been proven to result from hyperdopaminergic states. In contrast to dopamine and norepinephrine, reduced serotonin levels (CSF 5-HIAA) lead to increased impulsivity and aggression. Although the results have varied, studies have shown changes in serotonin levels after TBI.10 Hence, much evidence supports the biological basis for impulsivity in TBI patients.

“All of the subjects with a DSM-III-R diagnosis of organic brain disorder had been arrested and charged for violent crimes

http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychiatry/article/66123/somatic-disorders/does-traumatic-brain-injury-cause-violence/page/0/1

[FONT=&amp]there is one body cam and one dash cam that captured the incidents leading up to Keith Scott’s shooting.

[/FONT]http://www.live5news.com/story/33164118/keith-scotts-mother-speaks-about-sons-death-asks-for-peaceful-demonstrations[FONT=&amp]

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[tangelo]

Interesting info:

60% of the 2-3 million restraining orders issued annually are unnecessary or false. This translates into 1.2-1.8 million persons who are wrongfully accused


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS702US702&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how%20many%20restraining%20orders%20issued

the 8 year old he hit will find comfort in your stats Im sure

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Seems people are angry/upset at any show of humanity toward someone they view as less than human.

I understand what you are saying about the article. I get it.

I do not see him as less than human. We are all God's children IMO. I really wish he would have made better choices. But he didn't. And the sad part is that article would not have had those things in it had he not made those bad choices. He was abusive. He didn't value other people's lives. And they are reporting what they know. Had he made better choices the article would be full of his accomplishments and contributions he made to society.

It just is what it is.

JMO

 

[1&2&3]

The way I took the article was as an updated news article giving the latest information on KS.

Did anyone notice it says he is the son of the late Detective Robert Scott Sr.? http://abcnews4.com/news/local/keith-lamont-scott-will-have-a-charleston-area-funeral . I take that to be he was in LE. Have we heard anything from his mother and I missed it?

 

[katydid23]

Seems people are angry/upset at any show of humanity toward someone they view as less than human.

That is your view, certainly not mine.

What I am angry about is the way the our officers are slandered and treated, based upon totally false 'facts', spewed and spinned by an organized movement, that is tearing our society apart.

I watched the Community Council meeting in Charlotte yesterday. They put young children up there, crying, saying they were afraid the police were going to kill them for no reason. That is exploitation and built upon a totally false narrative. None of those children are in any danger because of any of those officers. It is pathetic to see what this movement is doing to the reputation of our officers.

They painted a totally false picture of Keith Scott, and said he was unarmed, reading a book, innocently waiting for the school bus. That got the entire nation up in arms.

And now the true picture emerges. And this was not a peaceful doting father at all. He was posing a serious threat to the people in that lot and to the officers because he did not want to be arrested for the stolen gun and the drugs. That makes the entire interaction between them volatile and dangerous.

It is not anything about him being less than human. It is about him being fully human, and having faults, like we all do. But that does not mean that we should overlook them and blame his death upon the officers. That is so unfair to them. They did not make the poor choices he made that day.

 

[1&2&3]

Here is KS's obituary. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/ch...n=kieth-lamont-scott&pid=181585856&fhid=23125

He is the father of 7 children and grandfather of 2.

 

[katydid23]

Not justifing violent behavior or history - seeking to learn more , broadening my mind....

Anyone have specfics on his injury??

Substance abuse, traumatic brain injury, and crime were indeed interconnected

5-year follow-up, 31% of these patients had legal problems and 20% of their relatives had been assaulted by them at least once.

TBI patients should be expected to commit crimes because they have poor cognitive skills, impulsivity, and increased aggression, as well as low tolerance for frustration and poor judgment. In their study of 18 subjects in a community corrections day program in Vigo County, Indiana, they

ventromedial frontal lobe lesions could result in violent behavior because frontal lobe damage makes it more difficult for the brain to access social skills leading to disinhibition and aggression.6



14% of the group with frontal lobe injury exhibited physical violence compared with roughly 5% of the controls.

TBI-induced criminality remains a central and controversial area within forensic psychiatry. Behavior resulting from injury has been implicated in violence and crime, especially when coexisting with substance abuse, a violent environment during childhood including abuse, and pre-existing personality disorder. The literature is vast and covers a spectrum of opinions, allowing the forensic psychiatrist to find evidence that would support the prosecution or the defense. Judge for yourself.

Patients with lesions in the mediofrontal and orbitofrontal regions had higher Any Violence Scale and Extreme Violence Scale scores than the control group

The vulnerable amygdala, located within the anterior temporal lobe, is often injured. The amygdala adjoins emotions to thoughts. Damage to the amygdala has led to poor impulse control and violent behavior. In addition, frontal lobe lesions frequently result from damage caused by bony upward projections from the skull. “Orbital frontal lesions resulting from contusions of neural tissue against the floor of the anterior cranial vault can occur when an individual falls backwards striking the occiput against a firm surface.”10 This damage impairs the TBI patient’s ability to regulate limbic input. Therefore, the disinhibited TBI patient with frontal lobe damage often reacts impulsively and even violently.


Damage to specific neurotransmitter systems also causes impulse dyscontrol in TBI patients. The locus ceruleus in the forebrain is often injured, leading to elevations in norepinephrine in post-TBI patients. Increased norepinephrine levels have been correlated with aggressiveness and impulsivity

Agitation and aggression have been proven to result from hyperdopaminergic states. In contrast to dopamine and norepinephrine, reduced serotonin levels (CSF 5-HIAA) lead to increased impulsivity and aggression. Although the results have varied, studies have shown changes in serotonin levels after TBI.10 Hence, much evidence supports the biological basis for impulsivity in TBI patients.

“All of the subjects with a DSM-III-R diagnosis of organic brain disorder had been arrested and charged for violent crimes

http://www.mdedge.com/currentpsychiatry/article/66123/somatic-disorders/does-traumatic-brain-injury-cause-violence/page/0/1

His previous violent behavior happened well before his motorcycle accident.

 

[Tillicum]

The way I took the article was as an updated news article giving the latest information on KS.

Did anyone notice it says he is the son of the late Detective Robert Scott Sr.? http://abcnews4.com/news/local/keith-lamont-scott-will-have-a-charleston-area-funeral . I take that to be he was in LE. Have we heard anything from his mother and I missed it?

She did an interview the first or second day. I'll see if I can find it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/heartbr...n-killed-by-charlotte-cop-keith-lamont-scott/

 

[CARIIS]

Tid Bits cont


Awesome writing moo.....

[FONT=&amp]..........had been arrested more than five times and spent more than six years in prison in one stretch. .... married to the same woman for more than 20 years and was a father to seven. He was regarded as a good security guard at a local mall, but died at the hands of local law enforcement near his home.

The complicated tapestry of his life came to an end Tuesday......... and became the latest Rorschach test for the nation’s view on race


.At the center of it all was Scott, a relatively unknown man in life and a nationally trending topic in death.



He was 43.

Scott was born in South Carolina,.... a motorcycle accident in November.

Before that, neighbors said, he was a proud father who would watch his son play football at the local middle school in Gastonia. ................ if the weather was nice, detail his truck with an older son. On Facebook, his daughters and a niece posted a video of him playfully dancing at a family function to the Chris Brown/Usher slow jam, “New Flame.”


.............Crissy Ferguson, who knew him for about two years when the Scott family lived down the street in Gastonia, said he was a friendly presence who had an unmistakable baritone – “a radio voice” –.................... was generally approachable.


“He was real jovial,” Ferguson said. “He could have his intimidating looks on some days. But he was usually laid-back.”
Ferguson said Scott’s motorcycle was a source of pride for him. But since the accident, she said, he had to walk with a cane.

..... security guard for about a year.

“He did a good job for us,” said general manager Lance Sturges.

“Our security folks are customer-service-oriented and ambassadors,....... they have to have the gravitas to work with big and small situations ............ enforce the rules and regulations. He did that,” Sturges said.


...... the years in Texas seemed to carry with them, for Scott, a penchant for brushing up against the law. His time there included his longest prison sentence – a stretch from March 2005 to April 2011 for aggravated assault, according to Jason Clark, spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.
Clark said he also served time for evading arrest.


........... Scott argued that he had been acting in self-defense when he shot a man near a convenience store in San Antonio. She said Scott thought the man – who Scott said had been following him and his family for a week – was armed. Scott went to talk to him and ended up drawing his handgun and firing it 10 times, striking the man.

.........Scott believed the man was going to harm him or his family. “I don’t know what went wrong ......... shots were fired and no weapon was retrieved from the other guy.… ........ the man lived.”

...........working at a job at the time the case was proceeding, but eventually lost it because of his absences for court appearances. ....... missed a court appearance and had his bail revoked, landing him back in jail.
He was sentenced to a little more than a year for that conviction.

............Scott’s legal troubles in South Carolina weren’t as severe and took place in the 1990s .......... convictions ranged from check fraud for amounts under $50 to carrying a concealed weapon, though not a firearm.

............. he always maintained a deep love of his family and especially his wife. “He really loved Rakeyia and she really loved him, and he really loved his children,” ......
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[FONT=&amp]“Of course he was a wonderful person; of course we loved him dearly. But that shouldn’t be the issue,” ...............


“We shouldn’t have to humanize him in order for him to be treated fairly.


................What you should know about him is that he was an American citizen who deserved better.

That is our position, and it should be yours.................................................................



http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-keith-lamont-scott-snap-story.html
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[Sillybilly]

You folks may recall that the last thread was closed for a reason.

Post accordingly.

:wave:

 

[tangelo]

Seems people are angry/upset at any show of humanity toward someone they view as less than human.

hahaha when did he stop beating his wife? (& kids)

 

[CARIIS]

And when he stabbed his wife multiple times.
And when he punched his child in the head with his fist multiple times.

Both of those acts could have caused death.

IMO none of that has to do with anything ...........the only thing that matters here, IMO, is what transpired in the last 22 seconds of him being alive...


People do bad things.............the issue here are we talking about another incident of LE murdering folks cause they have a badge.............

The skin color of the officer is IMO another thing that media has dragged into this ...........irrelvant as well IMO

The issues here are

Why has media ignored why was LE messing with a human being sitting in a car , with a joint, big deal, he had medical issues and society has proved it has medcial values - but that too is irreleavant

Why did LE confuse who they were there for , cause they were looking for a black man ?

6.2 million folks that are not supposed to have guns do.....................

His criminal history has nothing to do with the big picture problem we have with LE and minorties - that is a huge social issue.........

..the media throwing all this other stuff into the narrative...derails the conversation that needs to be addressed .......................

Why is he dead -----------that is the question............the only one............. moo

 

[K_Z]

That is your view, certainly not mine.

What I am angry about is the way the our officers are slandered and treated, based upon totally false 'facts', spewed and spinned by an organized movement, that is tearing our society apart.

I watched the Community Council meeting in Charlotte yesterday. They put young children up there, crying, saying they were afraid the police were going to kill them for no reason. That is exploitation and built upon a totally false narrative. None of those children are in any danger because of any of those officers. It is pathetic to see what this movement is doing to the reputation of our officers.

They painted a totally false picture of Keith Scott, and said he was unarmed, reading a book, innocently waiting for the school bus. That got the entire nation up in arms.

And now the true picture emerges. And this was not a peaceful doting father at all. He was posing a serious threat to the people in that lot and to the officers because he did not want to be arrested for the stolen gun and the drugs. That makes the entire interaction between them volatile and dangerous.

It is not anything about him being less than human. It is about him being fully human, and having faults, like we all do. But that does not mean that we should overlook them and blame his death upon the officers. That is so unfair to them. They did not make the poor choices he made that day.

Excellent and eloquent post-- thank you. You're not the only one who is angry about this.

Part of being human is the media and public not lying about someone's shortcomings, in a situation like this, and especially not glorifying them after they are dead, and making them into a blameless martyr. The family can do that if they wish at the funeral, and they can be somewhat forgiven for their tunnel vision and denial about their loved one's criminal activity and choices, and blaming of everyone except their loved one for bad and criminal decisions and behavior. The public, elected officials, and the media should never be drawn into that land of denial.

The truth should not be painted over, or denied, or twisted into something it isn't. And that is exactly what happens in these high profile cases, over and over. The suspect is immediately framed as innocent, law abiding, trustworthy, and preyed upon by racist or brutal police officers. The lies are not just little mistruths that can be forgiven, but outrageous whoppers-- "reading the koran", "doesn't own a gun", 'hands up, don't shoot." Friends and family members INTENTIONALLY lie about the deceased suspect, to try to mold the suspect into a more respectable and sympathetic "victim". Then they claim that they are offended and victims of racism when called out for their lies! It's preposterous.

At some point, there is going to be a massive public backlash against these kind of lies, the lies about suspects shot by police in the course of criminal activity, that whip up the passionate activists and criminally destructive opportunistic rioters. Police brutality, and racism, DO exist, but not in the manner that these activists are promoting, and not in great or increasing numbers. The public sees thru the lies, and is mightily frustrated with the rioters, as well as the police who are not permitted, by all these "PC" policies to quell the riots in a timely and effective manner.

When the activists start demonstrating for the innocent children killed in drive by shootings, and the vulnerable old folks shot and killed, and the innocent but law abiding poor folks shot and killed in these violent inner cities, then most of America will be right there with them supporting them. But asking most people to support demonstrations and protests for criminals, engaged in criminal activity when they got themselves killed, isn't the way to gain the hearts and minds of the public. IMO. They damage their own "cause" by choosing the wrong criminal "martyrs", and acting out in such a violent manner.

“We shouldn’t have to humanize him in order for him to be treated fairly. "

Well, we shouldn't have to lie about him in order to tell the truth about who he was, and how he lived, and what he was doing when he died, either.

 

[Rocco]

IMO none of that has to do with anything ...........the only thing that matters here, IMO, is what transpired in the last 22 seconds of him being alive...


People do bad things.............the issue here are we talking about another incident of LE murdering folks cause they have a badge.............

The skin color of the officer is IMO another thing that media has dragged into this ...........irrelvant as well IMO

The issues here are

Why has media ignored why was LE messing with a human being sitting in a car , with a joint, big deal, he had medical issues and society has proved it has medcial values - but that too is irreleavant

Why did LE confuse who they were there for , cause they were looking for a black man ?

6.2 million folks that are not supposed to have guns do.....................

His criminal history has nothing to do with the big picture problem we have with LE and minorties - that is a huge social issue.........

..the media throwing all this other stuff into the narrative...derails the conversation that needs to be addressed .......................

Why is he dead -----------that is the question............the only one............. moo

Here's the answer:


He exited the vehicle with the gun as the officers yelled at him to drop it. He ignored the command and was shot.

That's why.

 

[CARIIS]

https://twitter.com/WCNCmboyle/status/780821676036587520

https://twitter.com/WCNCmboyle/status/780829745302806529

Court doc

I have not seen any media reports about a hosptial visit after this stabbing, and degree of injuries . Did these result in arrests? What were the charges? In most instances when people are stab other people there is an arrest -


AMy media followup regarding how soon dept of children and families opened up a file , and began requiring classes for parents, children see therapists via court orders .When parents are bopping children across there heads, a lot of stuff begins?

ANy info regarding these alledged "allegations"?


????

 

[CARIIS]

Here's the answer:


He exited the vehicle with the gun as the officers yelled at him to drop it. He ignored the command and was shot.

That's why.

I think having a gun in ones hand is legal. If there were any video of him raising his arm to fire different story . If you freeze the frame right before the murdered him both his arms are totaaly down and by his side. Just freeze the video

 

[Rocco]

I think having a gun in ones hand is legal. If there were any video of him raising his arm to fire different story . If you freeze the frame right before the murdered him both his arms are totaaly down and by his side. Just freeze the video

He had no business being in possession of a gun in the first place. For him it was not legal. And anyone who has a gun in their hand better drop it if the police tell them to or they would be extremely lucky if they DIDN'T get shot.

 

[CARIIS]

He was shot half a second later both arms are dangling down (maybe TBI stuff) not facing in the direction of anyone

if one is shooting at someone they generally face the person right befre they pull the trigger generally speajing moo

 

[K_Z]

Here is KS's obituary. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/ch...n=kieth-lamont-scott&pid=181585856&fhid=23125

He is the father of 7 children and grandfather of 2.

Unfortunately, they spelled his name wrong. Hope someone corrects that.

Dignity. Right? Can we all agree on that? Even for a felon. Spell his name right in the obit.