GUILTY NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #2

[Ladylub]

What do you mean he is not a threat? The cops shot this man in Mission Bay. Here are pictures of his body:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...ove-Officer-Involved-Shooting-270205811.html#

Officer-Involved Shooting in Mission Bay

San Diego police shoot gun-waving man


San Diego police Wednesday shot and wounded a gun-waving man who may have wanted to commit "suicide by cop."

The late-morning incident in the De Anza Cove Park area of Mission Bay occurred after police responded to a call about a man sitting in a car with a gun.

By the time police arrived, the man - barefoot and wearing a tank top and walking shorts - was outside his vehicle, pointing the gun in various directions, including at a police helicopter overhead.

He refused repeated orders to drop the weapon, police said.

A simple thank you was not enough. Tired of people finding something off the internet and either not researching it themselves or knowingly spreading lies.

 

[Tawny]

It all boils down to one simple fact-- at least 14 times he was lawfully ordered to drop the gun.

At least 14 times, he did not comply, over more than 1 minute, before he escalated his threat. The officers showed remarkable restraint, IMO. They gave him multiple, ongoing opportunities to drop the gun, until the threat was potentially lethal for them, or bystanders.

How do we know KS escalated the situation? From the multiple videos, and from the escalating tone of the officers commanding him to drop the gun, and the escalating panic in his wife's pleading with him to "don't do it, Keith, don't do it!!".His own wife's commentary is very damning for his escalation, IMO. She knew, IMO. She knew he had a gun, and what he would do with it.

This can't be blamed on predatory cops, or a motorcycle accident. He was very, very functional, even driving a car, and loading and carrying an illegal stolen gun. He *knew* what he was doing, IMO.

I completely reject that he was so "damaged" by his TBI that he couldn't comprehend that he needed to drop the gun. His actions, IMO, don't show a man confused or frightened. His actions show defiance, and consciousness of guilt, IMO. Criminality, not confusion. IMO.

Ongoing? In the few seconds from when they ran up on his vehicle and he got out and was shot, that's ongoing? Have you watched the videos?

The perceptions seems to be this was a half hour stand off or something. It was seconds.

 

[Elley Mae]

Ongoing? In the few seconds from when they ran up on his vehicle and he got out and was shot, that's ongoing? Have you watched the videos?

The perceptions seems to be this was a half hour stand off or something. It was seconds[/B].

bbm It only takes 1 second for a suspect to pull the trigger.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

ITA! I would rather go by the facts so I research actual cases of who all are being shot and killed by police officers in various cities/states. In that endeavor I found a site that updates all deaths caused by police officers whether it is due to a cop accidentally hitting them with their car or they die from being tazered. However most of them are people who died by being shot by an officer. This site is continuously being updated as they happen often leaving him in a position he will have to come back in and do further updates such as race/gender/name. However with each case he lists an attached local news articles to every case listed. It is a tremendous amount of factual evidence with supporting information. If you read the many links it will show you most all of these people refused to comply to simple commands and had firearms in their possession when shot and killed.

These are the ones added to the list after Mr. Scott's death that happened on September 20th:

www.killedbypolice.net

(855) September 27, 2016
CA M/B Alfred Olango, 30 G
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Officer-Involved-Shooting-in-El-Cajon-395014341.html

(854) September 27, 2016
MI M/W Dustin Allen Szot, 24 T
R
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/local/michigan/inmate-from-muskegon-dies-after-being-tazed/326978623

(853) September 26, 2016
MN M/W G
http://www.startribune.com/man-dead-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-burnsville/394909121/

(852) September 26, 2016
ID M/W Anthony Ray Bauer, 52 G
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article104186201.html

(851) September 26, 2016
TX M/A Nathan DeSai, 46 G
http://www.khou.com/news/local/live-video-hpd-reports-active-shooter-near-west-u/326164702

(850) September 26, 2016
AR M/W Leeland White, 32 G
http://www.thv11.com/news/local/suspect-killed-in-ark-officer-involved-shooting/326178026

(849) September 25, 2016
NH M/W Cody Lafont, 25 G
http://www.wmur.com/news/ags-office...fficerinvloved-shooting-in-claremont/41818162

(848) September 23, 2016
TX M Christopher Contreras, 30 G
http://www.ksat.com/news/swat-team-responds-to-call-on-citys-south-side

(847) September 23, 2016
CA M/W Jesse Attaway, 41 G
http://www.abc10.com/news/local/sac...-in-northern-fair-oaks-neighborhood/324639208

(846) September 23, 2016
MD M/B Oddis Bernard Colvin Jr., 33 G
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-co-county-police-shooting-20160923-story.html

(845) September 22, 2016
UT M V
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...strian-on-dark-street-killing-him.html?pg=all This was a fatality when a police car hit a pedestrian on a dark street. So they keep up with every death involving the police even if an accident like in this particular case.

(844) September 21, 2016
NE M/W Austin M. Baier, 23 G
http://www.wowt.com/content/news/-downtown-Louisville-394369481.html

(843) September 21, 2016
MD M/B Tawon Boyd, 21 R
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/...d-after-fight-with-baltimore-county-officers/

(842) September 20, 2016
CO M/W Thomas Tucker, 49 G
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...westminster-roads-closed-near-121st-and-huron

(841) September 20, 2016
TN M/W Sandy Joe Duke, 43


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IMO

 

[human]

What about this?

http://www.complex.com/life/2016/08/white-man-california-shoots-at-cops-gets-shot-beanbags-arrested

 

[human]

Or this one http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/william-bruce-ray-arrested_us_577efceae4b0344d514eb09e

 

[human]

Too lazy to keep looking. http://madamenoire.com/458516/10-armed-white-men-die-police/2/

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Or this one http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/william-bruce-ray-arrested_us_577efceae4b0344d514eb09e

From your own link:

And of course when the gun came up, it was automatic to him to get that gun away from him, and he did exactly what he was supposed to.”

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Too lazy to keep looking. http://madamenoire.com/458516/10-armed-white-men-die-police/2/

No matter what they may have done earlier if they hadn't eventually dropped their weapon and continued to fire on the officers they too would be dead. People like this are often cowards like Dylan Roof who gave up without a fight of any kind.

 

[human]

They did fire on officers. Some of them.

 

[Tawny]

bbm It only takes 1 second for a suspect to pull the trigger.

My point is that the impression seems to be that he had all the time in the world to react to their demands, yet IMHO, they gave him no time. They didn't give him time to shoot them, but they also didn't give him time to do the right thing, either. If they shot fast enough to prevent him from pulling a trigger, they also shot too fast for him to put the gun down. See what I mean?

 

[drjones]

My point is that the impression seems to be that he had all the time in the world to react to their demands, yet IMHO, they gave him no time. They didn't give him time to shoot them, but they also didn't give him time to do the right thing, either. If they shot fast enough to prevent him from pulling a trigger, they also shot too fast for him to put the gun down. See what I mean?

he ignored their order to put the weapon down for over a full minute, not a "few seconds", during that time he got out of his car and started walking. it may have been much longer than a minute - but we dont know exactly how long since the videos all start during the encounter.

 

[katydid23]

My point is that the impression seems to be that he had all the time in the world to react to their demands, yet IMHO, they gave him no time. They didn't give him time to shoot them, but they also didn't give him time to do the right thing, either. If they shot fast enough to prevent him from pulling a trigger, they also shot too fast for him to put the gun down. See what I mean?

Did you listen to the wife's video? How long did we hear her screaming at the police and then urgently begging her husband not to do whatever she saw him about to do? That audio was way longer than 'a few seconds...'
And the incident started way before she began filming. He was asked FOURTEEN TIMES that we know of, to put down his gun.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Too lazy to keep looking. http://madamenoire.com/458516/10-armed-white-men-die-police/2/

This is a link to an actual fact site and not a politically leaning one like the one above or the one before that one. www.killedbypolice.net

If you look at the list starting in May 2013 you will certainly see what happens to more whites than any other race when they fail to comply to simple commands given by the police who refused to put down their lethal weapon. They are shot dead and rightly so because they were criminal POSs too who were aggressive and noncompliant idiots.

 

[CARIIS]

A simple thank you was not enough. Tired of people finding something off the internet and either not researching it themselves or knowingly spreading lies.

Their cops. They need to be educated on how to and NOT to deal with those suffering mental illiness.

You do not approach a schzophrnic, pointing big ugly black scary things, while being all out of control yourself. They are overloaded with sensory information as it is.


One can state they are risking their lives and all that. Lets take 4 cops. I understand they are only cops, but they can be trained in this arena.

THree of the others , take out their guns, aims. Only ONE person, very low voice, calm states only two thoughts. I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

That it is it. The person who is hearing voices in his head will say something off the wall. YOu do not engage in any of that. You simply restate. I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

Person will continue to respaond , you calmly say again I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

That is all you say - broken record over and over if needed, and do not change one word. Dont bark - the goal is to calm.

Have done it houndreds of times- myself, any of my staff, and any other pts, have never been harmed.


Three of your collegues have the guns aimed at guys forehead so your safe.

In addition , if it really is a gun, untrained cops are actually increasing risks of others getting shot , becasue they are completly overwhelming and agiating the poor individiual who is scared, confused, not understanding what it is happening.

You never deviate off your short consise direction I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

Comfort them, let them know they are scaring you - that is it - casue now the only concern is that they do not kill another person, that they do not get and the innocnent bystanders dont get hurt


I have been amazed in everyone of these, the number of shots these guys pop off, in public places, with innconent citizens all over the place. If they are trained they ought to be able, when needed to place ONE shot to end the situition.

I am sure there are good cops somewhere. THe headlines, personal exp, and videos seem IMO to appear that there are a lot less of them than previously thought - but they just need training.

I am sure, just cause of the paperwork, they would welcome being trained on how to deal with the disabled with murdering innocent scared people .

I have yet to see one instance, even when the cop made a error where ONE shot was fired. That would be me, I cant shoot, I would have to fire 47 times if I had a gun and was scared.

These folks are suppossed to be trained and good shots? Blanketing streets with bullets all over the place just does not seem all that skill setty to me.

Someone like me who has never seen a gun , who fires off 87 bullets somewhere in the direction of some danger might hit the danger.

They are suppossed to, I think, know how to shoot someone , in daylight, from 5.8 feet away without discharging a "hail" of gunfire to disable someone four feet away.

If they cant do that, then the retraining program in addition into to including how to address the mentally ill in a manner that does not result in deaths for anyone, add a course on how to shoot something without firing randomly in public places .

The only thing I have seen , in all these, transends "trigger happy" into what truthfully sounds like we are in Iraq and war right here in usa.

And hey it is not the street guys issue, they are cops, they are not trained in how to deescalate situtions (obviouly) - just teach them how to do it . Epxecting them to IMO "know" how to do so IMO is like expecting a dentist to do open heart surgery!

My point is they need training - they are cops. THey need to make taser first choice, some tasered most did not . This firing all over the streets of AMerica needs to be curbed IMO

Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop to disable someone 4 feet away in clear skies is overkill

shoot em in the leg - they will fall

They need to be trained is all I am saying-

imo

 

[katydid23]

I really do not understand these posts about white people being shot or not shot. What does that have to do with THIS specific case.

This man was shot by a black police officer from North Carolina. He was not targeted by a racist white cop, if that is what these posts about white people is supposed to imply.

This felon was shot by a black officer because this man was holding a loaded stolen weapon, refused a dozen demands to drop the weapon, and began trying to step away from the scene, while armed and dangerous. He posed a threat to the officers and the public nearby.

His shooting was not racially motivated. So there is no need to post any more random cases about whites with guns....

 

[Tawny]

he ignored their order to put the weapon down for over a full minute, not a "few seconds", during that time he got out of his car and started walking. it may have been much longer than a minute - but we dont know exactly how long since the videos all start during the encounter.

He didn't start walking away. He was backing away. Whether that was to open fire or to lie on the ground, we have no way of knowing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

My point is that the impression seems to be that he had all the time in the world to react to their demands, yet IMHO, they gave him no time. They didn't give him time to shoot them, but they also didn't give him time to do the right thing, either. If they shot fast enough to prevent him from pulling a trigger, they also shot too fast for him to put the gun down. See what I mean?

Count out sixty seconds. That is a much longer time than some may think all the while knowing a firearm can be shot in less than a second. That gave him 60 seconds to shoot more than 60 times if he had had a magazine large enough to do so. They weren't wanting to shoot him at all. They wanted him to put his weapon down where no one, including him, would be shot. They didn't have to give him that many warnings. It was obvious they were wanting him to surrender his gun peacefully which of course he refused.

 

[katydid23]

Their cops. They need to be educated on how to and NOT to deal with those suffering mental illiness.

You do not approach a schzophrnic, pointing big ugly black scary things, while being all out of control yourself. They are overloaded with sensory information as it is.


One can state they are risking their lives and all that. Lets take 4 cops. I understand they are only cops, but they can be trained in this arena.

THree of the others , take out their guns, aims. Only ONE person, very low voice, calm states only two thoughts. I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

That it is it. The person who is hearing voices in his head will say something off the wall. YOu do not engage in any of that. You simply restate. I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

Person will continue to respaond , you calmly say again I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

That is all you say - broken record over and over if needed, and do not change one word. Dont bark - the goal is to calm.

Have done it houndreds of times


Three of your collegues have the guns aimed at guys forehead so your safe.

In addition , if it really is a gun, untrained cops are actually increasing risks of others getting shot , becasue they are completly overwhelming and agiating the poor individiual who is scared, confused, not understanding what it is happening.

You never deviate off your short consise direction I am not here to harm you, you are scaring me, please place the gun on the ground.

Comfort them, let them know they are scaring you - that is it - casue now the only concern is that they do not kill another person, that they do not get and the innocnent bystanders dont get hurt
I have been amazed in everyone ot these, the number of shots these guys pop off, in public places, with innconent citaizens all over the place. If they are trained they ought to be able, when needed to place ONE shot to end the situition.

I have yet to see one instance, even when the cop made a error where ONE shot was fired. That would be me, I cant shoot, I would have to fire 47 times if I had a gun and was scared.

These folks are suppossed to be trained and good shots? Blanketing streets with bullets all over the place just does not seem all that skill setty to me.

Someone like me who has never seen a gun , who fires off 87 bullets somewhere in the direction of some danger might hit the danger.

They are suppossed to, I think, know how to shoot someone , in daylight, from 5.8 feet away without discharging a "hail" of gunfire to disable someone four feet away.

If they cant do that, then the retraining program in addition into to including how to address the mentally ill in a manner that does not result in deaths for anyone, add a course on how to shoot something without firing randomly in public places .

The only thing I have seen , in all these, transends "trigger happy" into what truthfully sounds like we are in Iraq and war right here in usa.

And hey it is not the street guys issue, they are cops, they are not trained in how to deescalate situtions (obviouly) - just teach then how to do it . Epxecting them to IMO "know" how to do so IMO is like expecting a dentist to do open heart surgery!

My point is they need training - they are cops. THey need to make taser first choice, some tasered most did not . This firing all over the streets of AMerica needs to be curbed IMO

Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop to disable someone 4 feet away in clear skies is overkill

shoot em in the leg - they will fall

imo

Who is a schizophrenic? How is that relevant here?

And NO, if you shoot someone in the leg they will not always fall. This is not a tv show. Plenty of shooters have been wounded a few times and kept shooting.

And YES, they are trained in deescalation. I am sure they tried those techniques at the very start of this incident. But sometimes a person is not going to listen or cooperate. They make their own decisions at that point.

And we are in an Iraq war her in the US. We have more shootings in Chicago in one weekend than they have in months there.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I really do not understand these posts about white people being shot or not shot. What does that have to do with THIS specific case.

This man was shot by a black police officer from North Carolina. He was not targeted by a racist white cop, if that is what these posts about white people is supposed to imply.

This felon was shot by a black officer because this man was holding a loaded stolen weapon, refused a dozen demands to drop the weapon, and began trying to step away from the scene, while armed and dangerous. He posed a threat to the officers and the public nearby.

His shooting was not racially motivated. So there is no need to post any more random cases about whites with guns....

Because it always becomes an issue for some weird reason in every case where a black is shot. It is like some want to really believe whites are never shot and killed when they fail to comply and are the aggressors with a firearm. I just think the entire truth needs to be told instead of being constantly suppressed like whites never get shot and killed when it couldn't be further from the truth. Why not lay the entire truth out there. With truth comes knowledge, imo.