GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #10

[reedus23]

STEVE--- Kelli was a medic in training, so that tells me she cared about "helping people". She gave her husband 2 or 3 chances and reconciled with him. So maybe it's in her character to overlook Nick's lifestyle and problems and she just wanted to give the guy a chance.

I don't necessarily disagree with your premise, but can you let me know where you're getting this information? I don't recall any articles or insiders discussing it but may very well have overlooked it. TIA.

 

[VOH910]

REEDUS-- It's very frustrating.

I wonder if Froggy's has security cameras? This would likely solve when they left the bar and possibly if someone else was with them?

I don't understand why some WS members can't get their heads around a possible accomplice? And many believe it's not possible since Nick was living in his car? Misery loves company and maybe Nick friended someone sympathetic to him?? Stuff Happens.

Nick's car had no clues of foul play.

No blood trail/DNA

No crime scene

No weapon

Maybe there's an unseen, unknown accomplice who was the "handler" of the crime and took care of the details for Nick and followed them on their drive on I-295/Ramsey St ??

It happens all the time, especially in small, rural towns, in the back corridors of a town like Fayetteville,NC where they've had a fair share of serious assaults on women.

Just my thoughts...

No cameras at Froggys.

 

[sundrop]

It is highly likely that Kelli did not know about NH criminal background.

 

[Xavier]

I meant that Kelli didn't have to see a person, it could have been a parked car that belonged to them. NH didn't see anybody around and would not have recognized the car

This is so true. Nick probably did'nt see anyone or any car per his statements.

It was reported Kelli & husband spoke on Thurs or Friday, but the report did'nt say where the husband was calling from?

Also, the husband said he went to Florida to buy a new car, stay with his parents.

The parents were not in Florida when the husband was allegedly there. (I will find the link)

Husband probably told Kelli the kind of car he was buying. Maybe she recognized it parked the night she went missing.

Maybe she was spooked because she did'nt expect that particular someone to be there and that person told her before was far away

 

[Xavier]

It is highly likely that Kelli did not know about NH criminal background.

SUNDROP--- I don't know. Kelli's husband had a pretty serious rap sheet for drug related convictions and she gave him what 2-3 chances in their marriage?

Who knows, Kelli was a medic, work where someone really cares about people's lives.

Maybe Kelli had a soft spot for the "underdogs" in life???

When going out at night on weekends, Girl friends of mine who are nurses or doctor assistants will go out of their way many times to help a homeless person we see just sitting on the street corner.

I'm looking at WHO Kelli IS and one's profession, calling in life says alot of a person's make-up ...All IMO..



Just some thoughts....who knows

 

[Madeleine74]

According to VOH910, who knew NH far longer than Kelli ever did, no one in their circle knew about NH's past convictions. It is unlikely Kelli knew either. Her marriage and history with Mike has no bearing on anything or anyone else. She was probably a very nice person, but she got into NH's car not knowing he is a RSO. Everyone at that bar was surprised when it came out in the media.

 

[Xavier]

According to VOH910, who knew NH far longer than Kelli ever did, no one in their circle knew about NH's past convictions. It is unlikely Kelli knew either. Her marriage and history with Mike has no bearing on anything or anyone else. She was probably a very nice person, but she got into NH's car not knowing he is a RSO. Everyone at that bar was surprised when it came out in the media.

I was reading about the case of the serial killer Israel Keyes using his last victim's cell phone to send text messages, leaving authorities believing she was alive. I thought this was interesting, similar in that way to this case...

here's the link:http://www.ktva.com/news/samantha-koenig-abduction/New-Search-Warrant-Executed-175611561.html?m=y

 

[Amster]

Original offense for NH:
Cumberland County Teenager In Custody On Sexual Assault Charges
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/103731/

"Holbert reportedly is a neighbor of the victim who regularly visits the victim's home. He faces numerous charges, including first-degree sex offense, indecent liberties with a child and assault inflicting serious injury."

OMG....a little 5 yr. old girl?? I don't give a flying flip how old he was!! When will the laws change to make sure sexual perverts NEVER walk amongst innocent people? Especially children?? :banghead:

 

[reedus23]

This is so true. Nick probably did'nt see anyone or any car per his statements.

It was reported Kelli & husband spoke on Thurs or Friday, but the report did'nt say where the husband was calling from?

Also, the husband said he went to Florida to buy a new car, stay with his parents.

The parents were not in Florida when the husband was allegedly there. (I will find the link)

Husband probably told Kelli the kind of car he was buying. Maybe she recognized it parked the night she went missing.

Maybe she was spooked because she did'nt expect that particular someone to be there and that person told her before was far away

I don't know about there, but here they record the mileage when re-titling a car so LE could very very easily verify if that was the case. That's a TON of miles to put on in a short period of time if, in fact, they also require that the mileage be recorded.

 

[reedus23]

OMG....a little 5 yr. old girl?? I don't give a flying flip how old he was!! When will the laws change to make sure sexual perverts NEVER walk amongst innocent people? Especially children?? :banghead:

Agreed. They don't change their stripes. They learn and adapt but it's part of who they are and that will always be there. Lock them up and don't let them out to prey again.

 

[borndem]

No it doesn't mean that. But there's a big difference between Brettly and Nick Holbert - Brettly wasn't a convicted sex offender who had attacked a female in the past (and, speaking to Holbert's former crime against the 5 year old, there are what are called situational sex offenders who are not pedophiles, but will attack women of any age given the opportunity).

I believe in being very circumspect in these cases, and not casting suspicion unless something concrete points in a person's direction (I didn't suspect Brettly at all). Holbert's record, LE statements about him and Kelli's family strongly suspecting him all make me consider him a very strong candidate for being responsible for what happened to Kelli.

Also, Xavier, here's the story on the crime Holbert was convicted of:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/103731/

^________________________________^

It didn't happen behind the bar (Holbert hadn't lived there too long) but at the girl's house. I do think it could bear some semblance to Kelli's case because he attacked the girl knowing the finger would be pointed right at him if it was found out - he really couldn't control his impulse. Same thing if he's responsible for what happened to Kelli - he would know the finger would point right at him again but he couldn't stop himself once again.

rbm

Wow, Chili Fries! Thanks, and <shiver>. I don't think I have ever seen that article before. In her house -- in her house -- and he had to know her mom would be back soon. Further, the child certainly was old enuff to be able to well articulate what happened and the "who did it." (Thank goodness he didn't silence her the only effective way to be sure she didn't ever talk -- some folks probably would have....)

It does indeed sound like he was "overcome" (no excuse, no excuse at all, IMO) by the urge and the "right here, right now" of it and gave in to it (again, no excuse, other than him being, IMO, a stupid 16-year-old). And perhaps if had been her mother instead, he may have done the same thing -- but with a 16 year old, I would think that he saw an opportunity that could be easy as pie <Grrrrrrr> -- a 5 year old. IMO, he should still be in jail for that.

Thanks for citing that link.

 

[borndem]

IIRC, NH was in prison for most of the time between the offense with the 5yo and KB going missing. Don't mean to post and run (I'm wayyy behind). I will try to find a link.

jmo

Looking at his prison record, mikkismom, he was incarcerated by the NC Correctional system from 09/15/03 until 07/12/08 on 3 charges, served consectutively. He may have also been in a county jail prior to his trial or plea deal (I don't know which) for some time as will -- I have no idea.

Here is his record:

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi...sturl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=

 

[borndem]

Original offense for NH:
Cumberland County Teenager In Custody On Sexual Assault Charges
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/103731/

"Holbert reportedly is a neighbor of the victim who regularly visits the victim's home. He faces numerous charges, including first-degree sex offense, indecent liberties with a child and assault inflicting serious injury."

bbm
First Degree Sex Offense is an extremely serious offense -- a Class B-1 felony. The only offense greater is a Class A Felony with punishment being LWOP or Death.

The lowest sentence for a B-1 Felony is 144 -- 192 months (defendant would be in a "mitigated" Disposition with no prior offense points); the highest sentence would be Life Without Parole. Obviously, there are a lot of gradations in between these two extremes.

See NCGS 15A&#8209;1340.17. Punishment limits for each class of offense and prior record level.

link: http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-1340.17.html


Obviously NH made some type of deal, or something, to get out of a First Degree Sex Offense. (If the news article is indeed correct, and this was the charge, he was not merely pleasuring himself in front of the 5 y/o, IMHO. No way, no how.) JMHO, of course.

 

[Xavier]

Did anyone read about a gang tattoo with the message LIFE 202

there is something and if I find it will post it, but LIFE = Gang Member for Life

202 = Area Code

Any thoughts are welcome

 

[reedus23]

rbm

Wow, Chili Fries! Thanks, and <shiver>. I don't think I have ever seen that article before. In her house -- in her house -- and he had to know her mom would be back soon. Further, the child certainly was old enuff to be able to well articulate what happened and the "who did it." (Thank goodness he didn't silence her the only effective way to be sure she didn't ever talk -- some folks probably would have....)

It does indeed sound like he was "overcome" (no excuse, no excuse at all, IMO) by the urge and the "right here, right now" of it and gave in to it (again, no excuse, other than him being, IMO, a stupid 16-year-old). And perhaps if had been her mother instead, he may have done the same thing -- but with a 16 year old, I would think that he saw an opportunity that could be easy as pie <Grrrrrrr> -- a 5 year old. IMO, he should still be in jail for that.

Thanks for citing that link.

I know you didn't mean it like this, but I can't help myself. No, a stupid 16 year old takes money from his dad's wallet. A sick, twisted, demented predator with little regard for the law, much less humanity, tries to do anything with a 5 year old.

 

[borndem]

I know you didn't mean it like this, but I can't help myself. No, a stupid 16 year old takes money from his dad's wallet. A sick, twisted, demented predator with little regard for the law, much less humanity, tries to do anything with a 5 year old.

No -- you're ab.so.lute.ly right, reedus! I didn't word that one too well, did I?! A stupid 16 y/o, might think of her mother and himself on the sofa making out or something, but a 5 year old? Of course, this type thinking eludes us because we are incapable of having those type thoughts, thank you, God. But as I said, if he was initially charged with 1st Deg. Sexual Offense, he did something pretty horrible to her, IMO. I mean very serious. I still wonder if the news reporter/article-writer was correctly informed on the possible charges...

And how do we know what else he might have done, after he got a bit smarter? Smart enuff to get away with some other horrible thing(s). Again MHO. And this "uncontrollable urge" thing or whatever?? I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist, but I call BS. You're looking at some child with awful thoughts -- just leave, FGS, just walk away.

If LE finds and proves that someone else "disappeared" Kelli, and it becomes obvious that NH didn't do it, so be it. He's still despicable, IMO, due to the crime he served time for...

 

[VOH910]

According to VOH910, who knew NH far longer than Kelli ever did, no one in their circle knew about NH's past convictions. It is unlikely Kelli knew either. Her marriage and history with Mike has no bearing on anything or anyone else. She was probably a very nice person, but she got into NH's car not knowing he is a RSO. Everyone at that bar was surprised when it came out in the media.

This is true, but in addition, drugs are a much different type of offense than one that causes harm to another person, especially a child, and the manner in which harm was inflicted.

 

[VOH910]

I don't know about there, but here they record the mileage when re-titling a car so LE could very very easily verify if that was the case. That's a TON of miles to put on in a short period of time if, in fact, they also require that the mileage be recorded.

Some states only require a mileage report if it is not over a certain amount, usually a very high-mileage.

 

[reedus23]

Some states only require a mileage report if it is not over a certain amount, usually a very high-mileage.

Thanks VOH. I would it would be a Florida question if he bought it there? I'm not even sure about that if it was going to have NC plates. Do you have any idea what NC itself requires? Do they only require it if there's high mileage? Also, do we know what kind of car/truck he bought?

 

[VOH910]

Thanks VOH. I would it would be a Florida question if he bought it there? I'm not even sure about that if it was going to have NC plates. Do you have any idea what NC itself requires? Do they only require it if there's high mileage? Also, do we know what kind of car/truck he bought?

I do not know what NC's laws are regarding that, but I think it's 10 years or older, not based on actual mileage. Still, unless it was going to be registered in NC, it wouldn't matter until it was going to be registered. If it was purchased in FL, it would be up to FL laws upon title transfer.

I'm not sure if the vehicle he purchased was disclosed or not yet.