GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #10

[mikkismom]

Where should I record my odometer reading disclosure?

The actual miles or kilometers as shown on the odometer of the motor vehicle must be disclosed on Florida title transfer.

from: http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/faqtitle.html#9

hth

 

[mikkismom]

For NC: BBM

For vehicles purchased from an individual, submit the following:
Vehicle Title
Notarization Required
Lien Release
Must be completed if any liens are shown on vehicle's title.
Title Application ( MVR-1 )
Declare all liens, Notarization Required.
Odometer Disclosure Statement ( MVR-180 )
Must be completed if the vehicle is less than 10 years old.
Damage Disclosure Statement ( MVR-181 )
Declaration of Eligible Risk ( MVR-615 )

http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv/vehicle/title/

 

[reedus23]

Where should I record my odometer reading disclosure?

The actual miles or kilometers as shown on the odometer of the motor vehicle must be disclosed on Florida title transfer.

from: http://www.flhsmv.gov/dmv/faqtitle.html#9

hth

Thanks for that. So if the "new" vehicle was re-titled in Florida, LE would be able to get a fairly idea if he put a ton of miles on it in a short period of time.

 

[Xavier]

Thanks for that. So if the "new" vehicle was re-titled in Florida, LE would be able to get a fairly idea if he put a ton of miles on it in a short period of time.

Here in Cincinnati,OH we have FREE internet access to check our area court records on people, titles, etc for about anything....I've used this resource for property purchases/sales and also to make sure I don't have any outstanding parking tickets!...LOL

Maybe someone on WS who lives in the NC area knows the website to check into car titles, criminal records, etc?

 

[borndem]

Thanks VOH. I would it would be a Florida question if he bought it there? I'm not even sure about that if it was going to have NC plates. Do you have any idea what NC itself requires? Do they only require it if there's high mileage? Also, do we know what kind of car/truck he bought?

Here's what I found out from the NC Dept. of Motor Vehicles, among other things:

The following is from a "If you are the seller" section:

"If the vehicle is less than 10 years old, record the current odometer reading on the title, or request an Odometer Disclosure Statement from the DMV."


The following is from a "If you are the buyer" section:

"Complete, sign, date, and have notarized the title with the seller (only the seller needs to be present during notarization). If the vehicle is less than 10 years old, make sure the seller records the accurate odometer reading on the title or provides you with an Odometer Disclosure Statement before adding your signature."

from:
http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/title-transfers.php

But this has to do with a NC car title & preparation for registration, so IMO, it wouldn't have to do with a purchase of a car in another state. So, FWIW...

 

[Xavier]

Here's what I found out from the NC Dept. of Motor Vehicles, among other things:

The following is from a "If you are the seller" section:

"If the vehicle is less than 10 years old, record the current odometer reading on the title, or request an Odometer Disclosure Statement from the DMV."


The following is from a "If you are the buyer" section:

"Complete, sign, date, and have notarized the title with the seller (only the seller needs to be present during notarization). If the vehicle is less than 10 years old, make sure the seller records the accurate odometer reading on the title or provides you with an Odometer Disclosure Statement before adding your signature."

from:
http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/title-transfers.php

But this has to do with a NC car title & preparation for registration, so IMO, it wouldn't have to do with a purchase of a car in another state. So, FWIW...

If their marriage ship had sailed and was on its way to divorce, then maybe since he grew up in St Cloud and dad lives there, maybe he was planning on moving back there for good, so would be registering the purported new car with Florida plates, tags.
IMO this transaction, decision would speak volumes on where their relationship was heading and possible behaviors too

 

[reedus23]

I really feel kind of dumb for not knowing if he would be filing the title in Florida or NC. Just seems like something I should know. :banghead:

 

[pseudo_hum]

Sorry if I am rehashing something already covered, but is it a fact that no DNA from Kelli was found in NH car, or just no DNA of incriminating value (blood, etc) it seems like her prints should be found? If not isn't only NH words that she was in the car with him?

 

[Eileen730]

Some states only require a mileage report if it is not over a certain amount, usually a very high-mileage.

here in florida they require you to bring the car to theDMV with you if you cant you need to go to the police station and have an officer drive to your house and they record the mileage and vin number on a speacial form from DMV.

 

[Eileen730]

I really feel kind of dumb for not knowing if he would be filing the title in Florida or NC. Just seems like something I should know. :banghead:

I would think Florida. Only because we dont have to inspect our cars here.
and Its cheaper.

 

[reedus23]

Sorry if I am rehashing something already covered, but is it a fact that no DNA from Kelli was found in NH car, or just no DNA of incriminating value (blood, etc) it seems like her prints should be found? If not isn't only NH words that she was in the car with him?

Not sure if we know what they have or have not found. At least I don't remember LE specifically saying anything.

 

[Xavier]

Sorry if I am rehashing something already covered, but is it a fact that no DNA from Kelli was found in NH car, or just no DNA of incriminating value (blood, etc) it seems like her prints should be found? If not isn't only NH words that she was in the car with him?

PSEUDO--- From everything posted on WS, as far as I've read

There is no crime scene. No weapon. No DNA/blood. Nothing Kelli had with her that night has been found

The only things LE does have is a witness who gave her a lift home. And this witness spent a number of years in prison for a serious sex offense to a minor. And text messages and locations from those texts


We have her husband who said he was in Florida with his parents , but to our know how, it's not been verified if he was in Florida or if his parents were there too

We know Kelli possibly was startled by someone she knew when she arrived near her apt complex the night she went missing

 

[masootz]

PSEUDO--- From everything posted on WS, as far as I've read

There is no crime scene. No weapon. No DNA/blood. Nothing Kelli had with her that night has been found

The only things LE does have is a witness who gave her a lift home. And this witness spent a number of years in prison for a serious sex offense to a minor. And text messages and locations from those texts


We have her husband who said he was in Florida with his parents , but to our know how, it's not been verified if he was in Florida or if his parents were there too

We know Kelli possibly was startled by someone she knew when she arrived near her apt complex the night she went missing

well summarized. it really sounds like we have two plausible scenarios (and infinite less than plausible ones) -

1) the convicted sex offender she got a ride home with did something to her.

2) her husband did something to her.

what evidence do we have that makes one scenario make more sense than the other while making the least assumptions/guesses?

imo - we know she got a ride home from the sex offender. i think this has been verified by others who were at the bar and i see no reason why this guy would make that up, especially since he knew even this level of involvement was going to send him to jail (for the failure to register).

we could eliminate the husband if we had word that there was some verification of him being in florida as he says at a time when it would have been impossible for him to make it to nc. i don't think at this point we know that for sure although my reading indicates le seems to think he couldn't have done it.

we know her phone was used to send texts during the period of time she went missing, but we can't be sure that she was the one who sent those texts.

we know the sex offender claims something spooked her such that she wanted to get out of her car prior to him actually pulling up to her apt. this would be a convenient lie if he had something to do with it (giving him room to say he doesn't know what happened to her since he didn't see her get into her apt). it could also corroborate the theory that her husband had something to do with it (if in fact she saw him, his car, etc).

what else?

 

[lowes123]

Another thought, there is the serial rapist. There have been a series of rapes in that area, just a thought that the rapist may have been staking out someone else, and along walks Kelli?
http://www.investigativepsych.com/fayettevillerapes.html

 

[masootz]

Another thought, there is the serial rapist. There have been a series of rapes in that area, just a thought that the rapist may have been staking out someone else, and along walks Kelli?
http://www.investigativepsych.com/fayettevillerapes.html

if this was a case where she walked all the way home alone i might buy that, but i can't wrap my head around the chance that she might be having marital issues and she was driven home by a convicted sex offender but a serial rapist was hiding out somewhere in the hundred yards between where he dropped her off and her front door? it's possible but that would have to be the absolute worst luck i've ever heard of.

 

[OldSteve]

Another thought, there is the serial rapist. There have been a series of rapes in that area, just a thought that the rapist may have been staking out someone else, and along walks Kelli?
http://www.investigativepsych.com/fayettevillerapes.html

The MO of the rapist(s) there doesn't involve killing and hiding his victims (so far as I know) so while of course possible, I think this isn't related Kelli abduction.
Still, what is going on with all those rapes...

 

[pseudo_hum]

I have read where bar patrons can substantiate the two (Kelli and NH) left together but I have not read anywhere that someone other than NH can place her in that car after they left?

 

[reedus23]

PSEUDO--- From everything posted on WS, as far as I've read

There is no crime scene. No weapon. No DNA/blood. Nothing Kelli had with her that night has been found

The only things LE does have is a witness who gave her a lift home. And this witness spent a number of years in prison for a serious sex offense to a minor. And text messages and locations from those texts


We have her husband who said he was in Florida with his parents , but to our know how, it's not been verified if he was in Florida or if his parents were there too

We know Kelli possibly was startled by someone she knew when she arrived near her apt complex the night she went missing

With all due respect Xavier, we don't know what LE has or doesn't have. For all we know, they do have a weapon and just haven been keeping it close to the vest.

Regarding the bbm, possibly being the operative word because she possibly was not also.

 

[VOH910]

I have read where bar patrons can substantiate the two (Kelli and NH) left together but I have not read anywhere that someone other than NH can place her in that car after they left?

This is correct. No one was even by the door when they walked out. We were all by the bar, which is across the building. While it's not large, you can't see what car people get in or out of, unless you are by the door or the car was parked in front of the door - which it was not. You can't really see if anyone pulls into the parking lot either. Sometimes you can depending on where they park based on head lights, but you have to be looking for it through the window in the door.

 

[lowes123]

About 3 weeks before Kelli disappeared, there was a soldier raped very close to the bar. I would say probably within a mile of the bar. From where NH allegedly dropped her off, she would have had to walk quite a bit. From my understanding, from what has been in the news, the first victim of the serial rapist was jogging early morning. All the rest of the victims were asleep and the rapist broke in. Let's just say the rapist was stalking and then all of a sudden, down walks Kelli, cute blond girl, and the rapist finds a new target. He has been doing this since 2007, at least, and not been caught. From what I have seen/heard of NH, obviously I don't know him personally, but from news interviews, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb. He more than likely did not finish high school, seeing as he was arrested at age 16. He was caught right after he raped the 5 year old child, ect. If he was responsible for her disappearance, I truly believe it would have been solved. FPD has some very bright detectives, and if he had done it, I am sure they would have caught him by now. As for her husband, he would be an obvious suspect, just based upon history. Look at all of the recent cases involving soldiers and their spouses being murdered, and it has been the husband (or wife or married boyfriend) who did it. But if he was in Florida, and did not leave Florida, he couldn't be in 2 places at once.