GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #10

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NO searches have been done near or around this lady's house.

at the time kb went missing? since he lived in a tent i'm assuming he looked after her pets at her house. has le looked in the area of this woman's house?
 
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Great question MASOOTZ

I'm wondering now the same thing if LE has looked at the homes where Nick did odd jobs?

Especially if the homeowners were away for long periods of time, Nick could easily have driven there, maybe even had a key for access, and maybe disposed of Kelli in their backyards if wooded enough to conceal a human being.

exactly. if he did do something to her it was that night. iirc le has said they don't think she made it back to her apt so other than random abduction or husband abduction we have sexual-offender-she-was-with-abduction as the third option. assuming le looked in the area around his tent house if he was involved it makes sense that he'd choose a place where he has private access and would be able to do whatever he was going to do.
 
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Speaking of Nick, from what I've read here, that he lived in his car, it seems he would be rather messy/smelly/bedbuggie no?

Gotta wonder why in the world would Kelli have ever gotten involved or even near him?
 
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She didn't know he was homeless and living behind the bar in a lean-to tent. VOH said no one knew that in their group. She probably didn't know anything about him, certainly not his RSO background.

She didn't "get involved" with him, she asked him for a ride to and from the bar. That, along with a game or two or three of pool at some point with some basic conversation before may have been the sum total of their interactions.

VOH910 already informed us they were not "together" at the bar. She was hanging out, singing karaoke, playing pool, texting.
 
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She didn't know he was homeless and living behind the bar in a lean-to tent. VOH said no one knew that in their group. She probably didn't know anything about him, certainly not his RSO background.

She didn't "get involved" with him, she asked him for a ride to and from the bar. That, along with a game or two or three of pool at some point with some basic conversation before may have been the sum total of their interactions.

VOH910 already informed us they were not "together" at the bar. She was hanging out, singing karaoke, playing pool, texting.

Thanks for clearing that up. But, too me, when a woman goes for a ride along with a man, she is getting involved with him, didn't mean in the sense of a relationship though....

Now I wonder, considering she didn't know him, his background, etc. that she would go for a ride with him... also, okay she didn't know his background, but what about his appearance - living out of his car, "neat casual single attire" doesn't come to mind... where did he shower? Yea, perhaps it's not relevant...

Then again, perhaps she felt safe in that she knew others at the bar knew he was giving her a ride home, (I can hear you saying, it was just a ride home OldSteve!) - and perhaps she felt if anything happened to her it would be obvious who did it, which come to think of it, it is!
 
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I wouldn't have asked him or taken a ride with him or any guy I didn't know well, but that's me. KB, at only 23 yrs old, was probably much more trusting and naive and not aware that most men would at least want to hit on her. Certainly by the time she left the bar she was buzzed and her judgement would have been at least somewhat impaired. And who knows who told her to get a ride from Nick. Could have been someone else who suggested it if she needed one, or maybe Nick mentioned it. Whatever it was, it happened, she was in a vulnerable position, and now she's gone.
 
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I wouldn't have asked him or taken a ride with him or any guy I didn't know well, but that's me. KB, at only 23 yrs old, was probably much more trusting and naive and not aware that most men would at least want to hit on her. Certainly by the time she left the bar she was buzzed and her judgement would have been at least somewhat impaired. And who knows who told her to get a ride from Nick. Could have been someone else who suggested it if she needed one, or maybe Nick mentioned it. Whatever it was, it happened, she was in a vulnerable position, and now she's gone.

I agree with you there! (BBM) Wow, even young men (me) can be naive in a bar scene, as I certainly was thinking aback to younger days and one time going off with people I had just met and knew nothing about - wow, was I dumb, but thankfully lucky! Okay, just my :twocents:

Well, getting back on topic - so what the odds at play?

80% it's the person who drover her home?
15% it's a stranger or someone lurking around her apt?
5% it's somehow related to her husband?

ETA: any chance someone at the bar sees her going off with Nick and thinks, he can take her and Nick will be blamed?
 
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On second though, changing my odds to:

70% Last person she is known to be with.
25% Someone else at the bar who follows or goes later to her apt.
5% not the above.
 
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Based on what LE has said I'd put the odds at:

97% - last person she was known to be with, who also happens to be the person who drove her home.

3% - someone else
 
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Based on what LE has said I'd put the odds at:

97% - last person she was known to be with, who also happens to be the person who drove her home.

3% - someone else

Okay, wonder what others feel in the way of most-likely stats?
 
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I wouldn't have asked him or taken a ride with him or any guy I didn't know well, but that's me. KB, at only 23 yrs old, was probably much more trusting and naive and not aware that most men would at least want to hit on her. Certainly by the time she left the bar she was buzzed and her judgement would have been at least somewhat impaired. And who knows who told her to get a ride from Nick. Could have been someone else who suggested it if she needed one, or maybe Nick mentioned it. Whatever it was, it happened, she was in a vulnerable position, and now she's gone.

iirc nh doesn't drink so that's a plausible reason why she'd accept a ride home from him.
 
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Anyone's thoughts are welcomed

I've read somewhere Nick was released from prison n around 2007? Is that correct?

The Fayetteville rapist has been on the loose since 2007 and it seems the rape/burglary's have been steady since 2009 to 2012. Det Godwin believes the rapist is a burglar first, then a rapist

On what income has Nick survived on since his release?

Froogy's owner said he did odd jobs for him, but that can't be very much income for gas, car insurance, food, etc. He did save money living in his car

So since 2007 where did Nick work or did he just get medicaid, live off the govt, food stamps, etc?

For a guy not making much income, from what we know so far, I'm wondering how did Nick survive?

bbm

Been wondering the same thing, Xavier. I guess he got food & beverages, use of the FB loo, and a place to park his vehicle and to pitch a tent or lean-to at Froggy's in exchange for hauling in/out beer & trash, keeping the floors swept & loos clean, busing tables, washing dishes, whatever, etc.

I doubt he had car insurance -- paid the first month or quarter & let it lapse, perhaps. Did he only sleep in his vehicle & borrow someone else's to actually drive? NC requires a yearly inspection to get yearly car registration (the sticker is on the car, easy for LE to see) which requires proof of insurance -- and LE will pull you the day after it expires & the violation requires a court visit with proof of all that I just mentioned, etc., etc.

Where did he get walking-around money for toiletries, clothes, shoes, socks, jackets, u-wear -- who knoze? Maybe an occasional construction or other day-to-day "labor pick-up" job, I guess.

Unless he was on some type of disability from a job or unless he was in the armed services (serious doubts about that!!) -- I can't imagine under what situation or condition he could have obtained food stamps (where would he keep the food that qualifies -- in his truck or in a box in the tent??), or medicaid or a gov't check. Under what program would an apparently able-bodied young man qualify for gov't benefits?

Yes, just how did he get along?
 
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Based on what LE has said I'd put the odds at:

97% - last person she was known to be with, who also happens to be the person who drove her home.

3% - someone else

I don't know about percentages, but based on everything we know about him and what LE has said, IMO the most likely perp is NH.
 
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I'll go with 75% NH and 25% someone else.
 
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Because NH is so obvious a suspect, I still wonder if someone else at the bar that night might have taken advantage of that, especially if they knew about NH's near homeless existence, or his RSO background.
NH would be the perfect fall-guy.
 
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bbm

Been wondering the same thing, Xavier. I guess he got food & beverages, use of the FB loo, and a place to park his vehicle and to pitch a tent or lean-to at Froggy's in exchange for hauling in/out beer & trash, keeping the floors swept & loos clean, busing tables, washing dishes, whatever, etc.

I doubt he had car insurance -- paid the first month or quarter & let it lapse, perhaps. Did he only sleep in his vehicle & borrow someone else's to actually drive? NC requires a yearly inspection to get yearly car registration (the sticker is on the car, easy for LE to see) which requires proof of insurance -- and LE will pull you the day after it expires & the violation requires a court visit with proof of all that I just mentioned, etc., etc.

Where did he get walking-around money for toiletries, clothes, shoes, socks, jackets, u-wear -- who knoze? Maybe an occasional construction or other day-to-day "labor pick-up" job, I guess.

Unless he was on some type of disability from a job or unless he was in the armed services (serious doubts about that!!) -- I can't imagine under what situation or condition he could have obtained food stamps (where would he keep the food that qualifies -- in his truck or in a box in the tent??), or medicaid or a gov't check. Under what program would an apparently able-bodied young man qualify for gov't benefits?
Yes, just how did he get along?

Not to get into a political topic, but I'd imagine in NC like here in Ohio qualifying for govt aid, food stamps, health care, etc, depends on your income level, not whether you're an able bodied young adult. Just my opinion though

The govt IMO does not do a wekkly or monthly job verification if one's looking for work, etc...that's why the welfare programs have bloated out like a beached whale..
 
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Because NH is so obvious a suspect, I still wonder if someone else at the bar that night might have taken advantage of that, especially if they knew about NH's near homeless existence, or his RSO background.
NH would be the perfect fall-guy.


STEVE--- I too have thought maybe Kelly was buzzed, walked around Froggy's met a guy or two, maybe she thought they the were creepy

Being a very attractive young woman I'm sure she got noticed at Froggys by the guys

Then when Nick dropped her off she sees that guy again waiting up the street or standing visible to her and hesitates to get out of the car...then decides to wing it and walk home
 
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However, at no time did Nick see anyone with or near or bothering KB. That assumes, of course, that you believe his story, which neither the police nor KB's family does. I don't believe KB wanted out of the car because of anyone outside. I think she wanted out of the car because NH was creeping her out. In every lie is some kernel of truth. KB may have indeed demanded he let her out. That part might be true. However, the rest of his story...doesn't jive IMO. Don't forget at least one of her text messages implies something was amiss while she was in that car with NH, amiss enough that she wanted Justin in FL to call her ASAP.

Additionally, VOH910 has gone on record here many times telling us that he didn't see anyone bothering KB at the bar. Why this continues to come up as if it was never discussed at length is confusing. Nothing weird was happening at the bar that he or anyone witnessed. A search on VOH910's posts will net quite a bit of information.
 
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