GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #10

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AT&T, not the best service in Fayetteville in certain areas, therefore, I think we need to take that in to account. If the text was sent at 12, (times only an example), she may not have bars until 1215, hence the time stamp difference. The person who she was texting was a friend in Florida, , maybe he was like hey let me know when you get home. If what NH says is true, he drops her off, maybe she texts and is walking. Maybe NH goes back after her, maybe she encounters someone else. I think it is likely NH is the culprit, but just as likely it is someone else. The fact that it has now been 8 months, and NH has been in jail on other charges and not been charged with anything else, that says a lot to me. From what I have read and seen in the media, it seems like NH was a likely suspect in the beginning, but maybe not so much anymore. Time will tell.

Thanks LOWES for that information. I'm trying to get a clearer picture in my head why Nick could be the perp.

We know Kelli was texting her friend Justin, who reportedly was in Florida( I'm not sure if his whereabouts were verified). We've heard/read Justin was the recipient of more than one text that night/morning.

We don't know how many people received the last text. The last recipient of this text we do know for sure was sent to Kelli's sister Olivia Cox, because Ms Cox said she received a text from Kelli's phone saying "Got Home Safely"

If Kellie was trying to reach her older sister while driving with Nick, maybe it was because she felt threatened or uncomfortable with Nick and reached out to her sister for help, safety. And she could get to Kelli the fastest.

And if Nick did send the last "Got Home Safely" text to Olivia and possibly others that we don't know about, why was Olivia chosen as the text recipient?

Maybe it was out of convenience if Nick texted Olivia, since Olivia's number might've been the last number present on the cell phone and all he had to do was type a text to the number. From what I gather, Kelli and Olivia were close sisters, and I know personally from having sisters, many neices, they reach out to each other all the time and especially so if they're in a precarious/unsafe situation.

IMO Kelli was trying to reach out to her sister for help to get away from Nick

We know texts were sent out all night/morning long and to at least two people. If there were more text recipients I'm not aware of this

Just My Thoughts..This is one scenario I believe in and the other involves someone we're not allowed to discuss
 
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This story's old news, but I wanted to find out about LE searching St Cloud, FLA & any leads they gathered. We know Kelli's husband was reportedly in St Cloud visiting his parents at the time she went missing. Also living in St Cloud is Justin, Kelli's ex and someone she was talking to via phone up until the moment she went missing.

From this article, LE only say their investigation was "productive"
So that's all they tell us

I also don't get LE saying in this story they believe she left Froggy's about 120am? Did'nt they believe earlier it was more like 1230-1246am?

VOH910, you're a local guy, how far is Andrews Rd from Froggy's? In your opinion, Why would Nick take that road?


Fayetteville homicide detectives spent much of last week in St. Cloud, Fla., following up leads in their search for missing Fort Bragg soldier Kelli Bordeaux.

"It was productive from an investigative standpoint," Sgt. James Phillips said this morning of the trip.

He said investigators spoke with several people Bordeaux's hometown, but declined to share other details.

"It was productive from an investigative standpoint," Phillips said.

Bordeaux, 23, was last seen April 14 when she left Froggy Bottoms bar on Ramsey Street at the Interstate 295 interchange.

Police have said Bordeaux left the bar about 1:20 a.m. and was driven to her apartment about a half-mile away by Nicholas Holbert, a homeless registered sex offender who did odd jobs around the business.

Holbert, 25, has not been charged with any crime in Bordeaux's disappearance.

Phillips said today that investigators have not found Bordeaux's cell phone.

The phone did ping off a cell tower behind the Health Pavilion North building off Andrew Road, police said.

That was the report of activity from the phone, police said.


There have been several searches of the heavily wooded areas in and around Froggy Bottoms, Ramsey Street and I-295, but no sign of Bordeaux has been found, authorities said.

Bordeaux, who was reported missing by a co-worker, is a specialist with the 601st Area Support Medical Company, 261st Multifunctional Medical Battalion, 44th Medical Brigade
 
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I was reading on the internet and since April 2012 there have been as many as 7 bodies discovered floating in or on the banks of the the Cape Fear River.

Does anyone know if the River has been searched? Seems logical from this history like they would target Kelli's search around the River

VOH 910, you're a local and have know how of this area, what do you think? Any updates?

Thanks
 
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Xavier,

You've got some facts incorrect. All the info is contained within the first few threads on this board.
 
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The Cape Fear River runs hundreds of miles and from Fayetteville all the way to the Atlantic Ocean in Wilmington, NC. Seven bodies have not been found in and around Fayetteville. They did find other lady after Kelli went missing but her boyfriend was arrested for her murder.

I was reading on the internet and since April 2012 there have been as many as 7 bodies discovered floating in or on the banks of the the Cape Fear River.

Does anyone know if the River has been searched? Seems logical from this history like they would target Kelli's search around the River

VOH 910, you're a local and have know how of this area, what do you think? Any updates?

Thanks
 
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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC NC - Fort Bragg soldier PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #2

Within the post above is a link to an ABC news article where NH claims that Kelli said she was tired around 1 or 1:30 a.m. According to him, he drove her and dropped her off nearby her apartment within that timeframe. I don't recall an earlier time stated by either NH or the FB patrons. Not sure how it fits in but I've seen 12:30 a.m. quoted here on WS and that's not what NH said. If any Froggy patrons agree with the earlier time as to when Kelli and NH left the bar, I've not seen the evidence presented.

On thread two, right before post 200, you can read where the police back off from NH as the main suspect (at least it seems that way).
This was after they finished searching the pond they focused on early in the case.

That said, both NH and FB's owner were arrested and are incarcerated on unrelated charges. After those two were put away, LE went to Florida to investigate further angles. As far as I know, LE has not gathered enough evidence to charge anyone for Kelli's disappearance. If NH is so obviously the perp, then why haven't they charged him? Therefore, I don't believe NH is LE's only suspect.
 
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LE has not gathered enough evidence to charge anyone for Kelli's disappearance. If NH is so obviously the perp, then why haven't they charged him? Therefore, I don't believe NH is LE's only suspect.

You answered your own question with the sentence before your question.

Once someone is arrested the clock starts ticking and everything LE has gathered becomes available to them through discovery laws. The DA of the jurisdiction evaluates evidence and will not take a case forward until or unless they feel confident they can get an indictment and have a good shot of winning the case in a jury trial. Since there's only 1 bite of the apple and there is no statute of limitations for murder, there's no reason to rush down that road.

In the end, it isn't what LE and/or the DA believe, it comes down to what they can prove in a courtroom.
 
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VOH910, you're a local guy, how far is Andrews Rd from Froggy's? In your opinion, Why would Nick take that road?

I've described leaving Froggy's before. You have to make a right out of the parking lot (which technically it's the parking lot of the building's next to the bar since the bar doesn't have it's own entrance). There is a light pretty much immediately after exiting. (Maybe 200-300 feet). However, I'm not sure you can make a U-turn at this light. I guess based on the law and no-signs you COULD, but I don't ever see anyone make that U-turn. That's right at the 295 interchange. About another 500 feet up or so is the next light which is at Andrews Rd. If I was driving to Kelli's apartments I would go to this light to make the U-turn and head S on Ramsey. It's literally 2 minutes, if you catch the lights.

I've also stated previously that there's lots of ways anyone could have gone, without being under observation from cameras from Froggy's. One would be Andrews. It leads out to McArthur which can take you to Spring Lake (either 210, Bragg Blvd., or Ft. Bragg itself, Smith Lake, and it can even cut you further down Ramsey St. It really depends where you are heading and if you are trying to avoid traffic. However, at that time of night, there isn't much traffic on Ramsey. I don't know if Nick took Andrews or not, but if you look at the map, you can see the places he could head to. A lot of the roads off of Andrews, McArthur, etc are rural roads with trees upon trees or cut through neighborhoods.

VOH 910, you're a local and have know how of this area, what do you think? Any updates?

Thanks

There's a homeless issue in Fayetteville, so bodies, they happen. I know that sounds harsh, but it's the reality of the situation. There's also a drug problem here, so you get the same affect. It's definitely worse than some, but better than others. It's really relative.

In regards to the river, well - as far as I know, the river was searched, but not thoroughly as you would suspect. There are alligators. Are they big enough to eat a human? IDK. It wasn't very warm that night or the few nights following and my understanding is they eat more on warm nights. I also understand they will eat decaying flesh and they digest everything, including bones. So if that's the case, it's possible, but with Heather Smith's body being found there, not long after Kelli disappeared, with it being warmer, I'm not so sure this happened. I really don't know. I do think the river is a possibility.

As far as updates go, I don't really talk to too many people from Froggy's anymore. If I do, it's more of a hey how are you if I run into them at the store or something. I hear occasional bits of drama and gossip that are unrelated to Kelli, but that's about it. I haven't heard a status updated on Nick in months and Steph's still in jail. Mandy's business is her business because I believe she is a victim in this as well. I do know that employees, especially the two working that night, feel this event has touched them and made them look at life a bit differently. The same can be said for many of the patrons, including the bikers. (I know there was talk about the bikers who frequented that place. Just thought I'd let you know they recently had a toy-ride. One dressed as Santa and they all got on their bikes with sacks of toys they purchased and rode to local shelters and churches giving out the toys to children who need them.)
 
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I've described leaving Froggy's before. You have to make a right out of the parking lot (which technically it's the parking lot of the building's next to the bar since the bar doesn't have it's own entrance). There is a light pretty much immediately after exiting. (Maybe 200-300 feet). However, I'm not sure you can make a U-turn at this light. I guess based on the law and no-signs you COULD, but I don't ever see anyone make that U-turn. That's right at the 295 interchange. About another 500 feet up or so is the next light which is at Andrews Rd. If I was driving to Kelli's apartments I would go to this light to make the U-turn and head S on Ramsey. It's literally 2 minutes, if you catch the lights.

I've also stated previously that there's lots of ways anyone could have gone, without being under observation from cameras from Froggy's. One would be Andrews. It leads out to McArthur which can take you to Spring Lake (either 210, Bragg Blvd., or Ft. Bragg itself, Smith Lake, and it can even cut you further down Ramsey St. It really depends where you are heading and if you are trying to avoid traffic. However, at that time of night, there isn't much traffic on Ramsey. I don't know if Nick took Andrews or not, but if you look at the map, you can see the places he could head to. A lot of the roads off of Andrews, McArthur, etc are rural roads with trees upon trees or cut through neighborhoods.



There's a homeless issue in Fayetteville, so bodies, they happen. I know that sounds harsh, but it's the reality of the situation. There's also a drug problem here, so you get the same affect. It's definitely worse than some, but better than others. It's really relative.

In regards to the river, well - as far as I know, the river was searched, but not thoroughly as you would suspect. There are alligators. Are they big enough to eat a human? IDK. It wasn't very warm that night or the few nights following and my understanding is they eat more on warm nights. I also understand they will eat decaying flesh and they digest everything, including bones. So if that's the case, it's possible, but with Heather Smith's body being found there, not long after Kelli disappeared, with it being warmer, I'm not so sure this happened. I really don't know. I do think the river is a possibility.

As far as updates go, I don't really talk to too many people from Froggy's anymore. If I do, it's more of a hey how are you if I run into them at the store or something. I hear occasional bits of drama and gossip that are unrelated to Kelli, but that's about it. I haven't heard a status updated on Nick in months and Steph's still in jail. Mandy's business is her business because I believe she is a victim in this as well. I do know that employees, especially the two working that night, feel this event has touched them and made them look at life a bit differently. The same can be said for many of the patrons, including the bikers. (I know there was talk about the bikers who frequented that place. Just thought I'd let you know they recently had a toy-ride. One dressed as Santa and they all got on their bikes with sacks of toys they purchased and rode to local shelters and churches giving out the toys to children who need them.)

VOH910---Thanks for taking considerable time to post this...merry christmas man
 
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Thanks LOWES for that information. I'm trying to get a clearer picture in my head why Nick could be the perp.

We know Kelli was texting her friend Justin, who reportedly was in Florida( I'm not sure if his whereabouts were verified). We've heard/read Justin was the recipient of more than one text that night/morning.

We don't know how many people received the last text. The last recipient of this text we do know for sure was sent to Kelli's sister Olivia Cox, because Ms Cox said she received a text from Kelli's phone saying "Got Home Safely"

If Kellie was trying to reach her older sister while driving with Nick, maybe it was because she felt threatened or uncomfortable with Nick and reached out to her sister for help, safety. And she could get to Kelli the fastest.

And if Nick did send the last "Got Home Safely" text to Olivia and possibly others that we don't know about, why was Olivia chosen as the text recipient?

Maybe it was out of convenience if Nick texted Olivia, since Olivia's number might've been the last number present on the cell phone and all he had to do was type a text to the number. From what I gather, Kelli and Olivia were close sisters, and I know personally from having sisters, many neices, they reach out to each other all the time and especially so if they're in a precarious/unsafe situation.

IMO Kelli was trying to reach out to her sister for help to get away from Nick

We know texts were sent out all night/morning long and to at least two people. If there were more text recipients I'm not aware of this

Just My Thoughts..This is one scenario I believe in and the other involves someone we're not allowed to discuss
It seams to me that she sent at least one text message that she was having some kind of problem that night and another to reassure them that she got home safe.It makes me wonder what these people started to think when the whole weekend (and monday morning) went by and they were unable to get a hold of her.Did they ever start to think something is wrong here.I remember her boss from sonic commenting that it was strange he did not get a reply to his text as she usually replied pretty quickly.
 
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Is it hunting season in NC?
 
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I'm not convinced that NH is the sole focus of LE but understand LE needs hard evidence in order to charge anybody.

Also it's uncertain if Olivia received the 'got home safely' text message. Kelli's brother stated it was 'let's just call him Justin', or a statement close to that, when asked about that during a press conference. As far as I know, some details haven't been revealed by LE. They've never confirmed who received the text only that it was sent from Kelli's phone.

Olivia was in communication with Kelli earlier in the evening iirc.

All the details are sourced in previous threads or remain unsourced. But in order to keep the unknown presented as fact, I'm pointing out discrepancies presented as I read them. It's possible my memory is off too. Every news release surrounding Kelli's case has been linked on WS and can be looked up in order to trace the truth - just takes work!

If somebody has a link that shows that Olivia received the text, please share.

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Here's a link to a previous post with multiple links, one which includes what I remember Kelli's brother said about the 'got home safely' text.
 
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If somebody has a link that shows that Olivia received the text, please share.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC NC - Fort Bragg soldier PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #6
Here's a link to a previous post with multiple links, one which includes what I remember Kelli's brother said about the 'got home safely' text.

thanks for that link. it quotes the owner of the bar saying there were four shots and four beers on her bar tab. have we heard anything about whether she drank all of those or perhaps was buying for others?

it also mentions the friend in florida who received the "got home safely" text doesn't believe that text or the text saying she was leaving the bar were sent by her. this would definitely move the timeline back a bit, which may be why le is asking about people seeing things earlier (i.e. - if she left the bar at midnight, something happened to her, the perp then sends a text at 12:30 saying "leaving the bar", then again forty minutes later saying "got home safely" it would appear she left later than she did).
 
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I'm not convinced that NH is the sole focus of LE but understand LE needs hard evidence in order to charge anybody.

Also it's uncertain if Olivia received the 'got home safely' text message. Kelli's brother stated it was 'let's just call him Justin', or a statement close to that, when asked about that during a press conference. As far as I know, some details haven't been revealed by LE. They've never confirmed who received the text only that it was sent from Kelli's phone.

Olivia was in communication with Kelli earlier in the evening iirc.

All the details are sourced in previous threads or remain unsourced. But in order to keep the unknown presented as fact, I'm pointing out discrepancies presented as I read them. It's possible my memory is off too. Every news release surrounding Kelli's case has been linked on WS and can be looked up in order to trace the truth - just takes work!

If somebody has a link that shows that Olivia received the text, please share.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC NC - Fort Bragg soldier PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #6
Here's a link to a previous post with multiple links, one which includes what I remember Kelli's brother said about the 'got home safely' text.

Just to mention - the news thread for Kelli:
NC NC - Kelli Bordeaux Missing 23 year-old Fort Bragg soldier Pfc. - 14-Apr-2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
 
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I'm not convinced that NH is the sole focus of LE but understand LE needs hard evidence in order to charge anybody.

Also it's uncertain if Olivia received the 'got home safely' text message. Kelli's brother stated it was 'let's just call him Justin', or a statement close to that, when asked about that during a press conference. As far as I know, some details haven't been revealed by LE. They've never confirmed who received the text only that it was sent from Kelli's phone.

Olivia was in communication with Kelli earlier in the evening iirc.

All the details are sourced in previous threads or remain unsourced. But in order to keep the unknown presented as fact, I'm pointing out discrepancies presented as I read them. It's possible my memory is off too. Every news release surrounding Kelli's case has been linked on WS and can be looked up in order to trace the truth - just takes work!

If somebody has a link that shows that Olivia received the text, please share.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - NC NC - Fort Bragg soldier PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #6
Here's a link to a previous post with multiple links, one which includes what I remember Kelli's brother said about the 'got home safely' text.

I agree, I don't think NH is or should be their SOLE focus. I do believe, based on their statements, he is their primary focus. Personally, in situations like this, I wish they would release enough information regarding others who they all but officially have ruled out. It would save that person a lot of damaging and harmful speculation, much less if someone saw fit to take matters into their own hands. For instance, if you confirmed with friends that hubby was in Florida, release it. If it later turns out the friends lied to provide an alibi, there's no mud on LE's face, they simply can state they unearthed new evidence indicating their alibi's were false.
 
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First of all, I don't know if NH is guilty. LE believes he is involved. KB's family believes he is involved (or is solely responsible). It's possible to discuss someone who was known to be with the victim as being an (obvious) POI without accusing them of a murder. LE has come out and publicly stated they believe NH at the very least knows more. If they are saying this it's because they have reason to believe this and since they know infinitely more than we do, I am taking what they say at face value and trusting their words.

Koenig was murdered by the last person she was with--and there was ample evidence that this guy came to her coffee stand specifically for her. His identity was unknown until the point he was discovered, but they knew some things from the get-go. That he turned out to be a serial killer is totally besides the point. From day 1 LE knew she was abducted, knew it was by a man, knew it was from that coffee stand, and information came out quickly that she had also been approached by this man and was afraid of him.

And once again, the last known person KB was with was Nick Holbert, who just happens to be a RSO. In NH's car KB sent a txt message that indicated all was not well. Something has made him the prime suspect in LE's eyes.

Should we pretend otherwise?

I think the point of my post was missed. The key here is last "known" to be with.

As I pointed out in my post prior, I am sure that in the murders Keyes is thought to have done, there were/are POI with respect to them by LE.

They may even of been the last "known" person to have seen/been with.

It does not mean that the last person known to be with is the one that did murder them.
 
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