GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #4

[mamamia54]

Just wanted to keep this website upfront in this thread for those who live and work and play in Fayetteville. I also just checked the website and the mappings have been updated and the places shown are geographical profile pinpoints a specific area that the rapist has a strong affinity for such as home, friend, parents, or girlfriend.
http://www.drmauricegodwin.com/fayettevillerapes.html

 

[spoiledmom]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=8632176

What a tool..

 

[mamamia54]

What a tool..

I shudder to think of how VOH must feel about this revelation.

 

[mamamia54]

It would seem that LE is rounding up people at the moment.

 

[zelmajane]

Y'all, I've asked questions about it previously, and have had people say "Oh cash only bars around here are normal." I live in NC. Where I am, they are not normal. Froggy Bottoms doesn't have food. That means they're a private club and subject to other alcohol regulations. It also usually means they're skimming off the top. Credit cards are way more traceable.

I know I wouldn't want anyone criticizing my local bar, so I don't want to hurt any feelings, but for me it was a bit of a flag.

 

[spoiledmom]

It would seem that LE is rounding up people at the moment.

This is good news

 

[mamamia54]

Y'all, I've asked questions about it previously, and have had people say "Oh cash only bars around here are normal." I live in NC. Where I am, they are not normal. Froggy Bottoms doesn't have food. That means they're a private club and subject to other alcohol regulations. It also usually means they're skimming off the top. Credit cards are way more traceable.

I know I wouldn't want anyone criticizing my local bar, so I don't want to hurt any feelings, but for me it was a bit of a flag.

Well cash bar does = under the table and not traceable.

 

[Melly53]

The puffy jacket is the first interview , the sitting at the table interview is the third. The second interview is the one with the ABC guy saying the info about the Bloody clothing being found.

I believe that the first interview was of him sitting at the table in a blue t-shirt. The second video has him in a yellow zip-up sweatshirt over a blue t-shirt. The third interview is of him just before he turned himself in to LE where he is again wearing the blue t-shirt but no jacket

In the first interview he kept eye contact with the reporter all the time. What interests me is the second interview where he is asked two questions about Kelli and he breaks eye contact on both answers especially the one where he is asked if he had anything to do with her disappearance: According to the video and written article it says:

He spoke again with ABC11 Thursday after his second round of police questioning. He said one thing investigators asked him to do shocked him.
"He said 'Look in that camera and state if I killed Kelli Bordeaux then I deserve to die,'" said Holbert.
"You did that?" asked ABC11's Gilbert Baez.
"I did that," Holbert said.
"Did you kill her?" asked Baez.
"I did not," said Holbert.
"Did you have anything to do with her disappearance?" asked Baez.
"I had nothing to do it. I picked her up and took her home. That's it," said Holbert.
In a third exclusive interview with ABC11 late Friday, Holbert admitted he failed to properly register his address as a sex offender with authorities and he was turning himself in to deputies on that charge.
He said the arrest was completely unrelated to the Bordeaux case.
Officials said Holbert is being held on $100,000 bond.


The video of him answering those questions can be found here: http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/video?id=8628398


The interview of him talking about the bloody clothes has been removed and in another video in which the reporter talks about the khakis being found has been edited to remove that statement from the report. I did however find a copy of the unedited video in which the reporter talks about the khakis on the huffingtonpost.com site, yesterday. I will have to go back and look for a link to it.

 

[nursebeeme]

why would a bar that doesn't have a credit card machine be hinky?

It doesn't mean they don't report their earnings, etc... and there is a license for the business. (just putting that out there)

 

[zelmajane]

why would a bar that doesn't have a credit card machine be hinky?

It doesn't mean they don't report their earnings, etc... and there is a license for the business. (just putting that out there)

Our liquor by the drink taxes are high here. (This is the bible belt). I work at a bar. I live in a place with, 8 bars in a few miles (not a big town either, near military also). None of them are cash only. A few of them are "private" like Froggy Bottoms (so no food).

When the ALE (Alcohol Law Enforcement) comes in, they can demand to see your books immediately. (Even if it is 11pm and you're slammed with customers, they don't care). The fines are high for not having a paper trail. So, I do hope they kept one.

They do have to have licenses, high priced ones, and a lot of them.

I just find it strange for some reason that they're cash only.

 

[Soulmagent]

Y'all, I've asked questions about it previously, and have had people say "Oh cash only bars around here are normal." I live in NC. Where I am, they are not normal. Froggy Bottoms doesn't have food. That means they're a private club and subject to other alcohol regulations. It also usually means they're skimming off the top. Credit cards are way more traceable.

I know I wouldn't want anyone criticizing my local bar, so I don't want to hurt any feelings, but for me it was a bit of a flag.

Right ,I wasnt trying to criticize yesterday when I posted about the redflags. I know people behind the bar who are not on the payroll is illegal in my state. So I figured if that illegal activity was going on ,there was more and the owner probably had other things to not want out in public. He could be a wonderful nice person and it a great bar but if people dont do thing legit then they are rule breakers and rule breakers break more then one rule.
I dont think the owner had anything to do with Kellie becoming a missing person .I do however think the enviroment of that bar lead to it. JMO.

 

[zelmajane]

Just looked up Froggy's liquor license...

It isn't under the owners name. That is because with a DWI you can't hold a liquor license.

It is under a female's name. It was previously under a different males name.

Not uncommon to have your license held by a partner. They are just the ones that are held liable in an event of something happening.

You can perform your own search here- http://abc.nc.gov/search/trade_name.aspx

 

[nursebeeme]

Our liquor by the drink taxes are high here. (This is the bible belt). I work at a bar. I live in a place with, 8 bars in a few miles (not a big town either, near military also). None of them are cash only. A few of them are "private" like Froggy Bottoms (so no food).

When the ALE (Alcohol Law Enforcement) comes in, they can demand to see your books immediately. (Even if it is 11pm and you're slammed with customers, they don't care). The fines are high for not having a paper trail. So, I do hope they kept one.

They do have to have licenses, high priced ones, and a lot of them.

I just find it strange for some reason that they're cash only.

thanks zelma!

bbm: can it be due to the price of running credit in such a small bar? I know a lot of small businesses in my area of Michigan are cash only now due to cost of having a credit card option. Also gas here is cheaper if you pay cash vs use a card (like 10cents a gallon cheaper)

 

[LaLaw2000]

Just IMO, but how could Cantrell even take ownership of the bar and have a liquor license in his name since he had outstanding warrants? There is a comprehensive background check on anyone getting a liqour license.

Generally, IMO, the previous owner would not want the liqour license to remain in his/her name after selling because of the liability that comes with it. Also, I do not think it would be legal for the owner to operate under a previous owners license.

MOO

 

[Eileen730]

wow, $400,000 !!

LOL WOW three diff women !!!!!

 

[Melly53]

Our liquor by the drink taxes are high here. (This is the bible belt). I work at a bar. I live in a place with, 8 bars in a few miles (not a big town either, near military also). None of them are cash only. A few of them are "private" like Froggy Bottoms (so no food).

When the ALE (Alcohol Law Enforcement) comes in, they can demand to see your books immediately. (Even if it is 11pm and you're slammed with customers, they don't care). The fines are high for not having a paper trail. So, I do hope they kept one.

They do have to have licenses, high priced ones, and a lot of them.

I just find it strange for some reason that they're cash only.

I wonder who's name their liquor license is issued in. I know that here they do a full background check before issuing a liquor license, which would have turned up the out-standing warrants. The DWI would have immediately disqualified him from getting one in his name.

If it was a private club one of the reasons for not taking credit or debit cards could be to help them lower their costs by not having to pay a percentage for each of those transaction to the bank or credit card company. IMO

Sorry, I see that my liquor license question has already been answered

 

[LaLaw2000]

Just looked up Froggy's liquor license...

It isn't under the owners name. That is because with a DWI you can't hold a liquor license.

It is under a female's name. It was previously under a different males name.

Not uncommon to have your license held by a partner. They are just the ones that are held liable in an event of something happening.

You can perform your own search here- http://abc.nc.gov/search/trade_name.aspx

Thank you! I did not see your post before I posted!

 

[zelmajane]

Just IMO, but how could Cantrell even take ownership of the bar and have a liquor license in his name since he had outstanding warrants? There is a comprehensive background check on anyone getting a liqour license.

Generally, IMO, the previous owner would not want the liqour license to remain in his/her name after selling because of the liability that comes with it. Also, I do not think it would be legal for the owner to operate under a previous owners license.

MOO

I also found a lapse in the license, I wonder if the bar was closed a bit between 2010 and 2011.

I think its pretty ballsy to have a failure to appear on a DWI charge and own a bar. He doesn't hold the liquor license, a woman does. No idea her relation to him.

 

[Soulmagent]

thanks zelma!

bbm: can it be due to the price of running credit in such a small bar? I know a lot of small businesses in my area of Michigan are cash only now due to cost of having a credit card option. Also gas here is cheaper if you pay cash vs use a card (like 10cents a gallon cheaper)

As a bar not to take credit card to aviod fees is like cutting your nose off to despite your face.

I would pull out 20 from the ATM and leave when I spent it. Therefore not drink anything else because I didnt want to drink up another 20 .

If I run my card I would probably drink 30 dollars worth and not worry about fees.

How many trips to the ATM will the adverge person make to the machine for a beer or drink. Sure some but the goal is to make money not hinder its flow.IMO There is alot of other things to like security and having all cash and that being a known fact. Employees stealing money etc.. all thing you have to worry about but it gets a little better with CC and security cams, and trustworthy people.

 

[zelmajane]

I wonder who's name their liquor license is issued in. I know that here they do a full background check before issuing a liquor license, which would have turned up the out-standing warrants. The DWI would have immediately disqualified him from getting one in his name.

If it was a private club one of the reasons for not taking credit or debit cards could be to help them lower their costs by not having to pay a percentage for each of those transaction to the bank or credit card company. IMO

Her name is on the search link I posted if you do the search yourself, I just didn't want to expose the poor woman to another google search. I'm sure she has enough going on in her life.