GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #5

[Muckrucker]

Well my reason would be the bad publicity of having someone leave my
establishment and disappear and have someone I know helping in the bar may be responsible.
I guess people feel differently about it but I can tell you I would never
enter that bar; ever!!!!!

I get your point, but I just can't believe that a person not involved in Kelli's disappearance would deliberately mislead or cover for the sake of the bar's reputation, rather than help with the investigation of a missing young woman, KWIM?

Besides, that would involve getting all bar patrons to agree on the same story, wouldn't it? If one guy says, "I think I saw Nick back about 10 minutes later," and 5 other patrons say, "I didn't see him then," - well, that would be a big issue right there, wouldn't it?

Even though we read news and posts about awful people, I still believe in the basic decency and goodness of most people. I'll guess that most of the people associated with Froggy's are much more concerned about Kelli's welfare than they are about the reputation of the local watering hole.

Respectfully, I think you're adding a layer of possible complexity that doesn't likely exist. More likely that people have been very honest and shared everything they recall about that night - except Nick Holbert.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Doubt it. Why?

I'm waiting for a timeline from someone more official. First of all, I doubt anyone was paying that much attention to Holbert's activities one way or the other. Others would have been playing pool, possible still doing karaoke, and hanging with their own chums. I doubt anyone looked at their watch to note exactly when Nick & Kelli left, nor looked again to determine how long Holbert had been gone. In my experience, when you're out for an evening to relax with friends and few brews, time isn't something you pay too much attention to, unless you're checking to see how long until last call.

VOH shared that the bar owner wasn't there, and was only going by what he'd been told happened that night when he made that statement to the press - meaning that the '10 minute' quote is third or fourth hand to begin with.

I do believe that Nick might have been back fairly quickly, but what seemed like 10 minutes to bar patrons focused on their own entertainment might have been quite a bit longer.

Here is the upside: LE has been interviewing the bar patrons, so I'm confident they have a much better handle on the timeline than we do. They've got Holbert's statements from investigation - and press - interviews. They have the time of the last ping from Kelli's phone. They have the time of the texts. They have statements from the bar guests. They may or may not have video from local area businesses.

I'm sure they are working hard to piece all of those things together to try to locate Kelli.[/quote


Well my reason would be the bad publicity of having someone leave my
establishment and disappear and have someone I know helping in the bar may be responsible.
I guess people feel differently about it but I can tell you I would never
enter that bar; ever!!!!!

Clearly the bar owner seemed 'concerned' about the situation and was willing to cover NH's arse without too much investigation on his part. He realized he was going to have the cops all over him, which happened, and now he's in jail. Is he concerned about what whatever has happened to Kelli or only concerned about covering his own arse? That's what bothers me.

Still, I want to see evidence. NH could be telling the truth. He spent five years in prison, got out in 2008. Has he kept out of trouble since then? Interesting that he has a computer when he has no home - is it full of pedophile material? If so, what I read and linked earlier, indicates he'd not be interested in an adult. But, if he's a general psycho who likes to hurt people, which may include not caring if they're children, then maybe he went into psycho mode and did something to Kelli. Can a guy like that lay low for over three years without anyone suspecting he's a sicko? I have no clue.

Unfortunately, if NH is charged, we won't get to know the details of the evidence LE has or anything until the trial is underway. Is that right?
In the meantime, where's Kelli?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Muckrucksie (may I?) - give us a break, the guy hasn't supported his children and he didn't own his dui. He's all about himself. :twocents:

 

[parker38]

I get your point, but I just can't believe that a person not involved in Kelli's disappearance would deliberately mislead or cover for the sake of the bar's reputation, rather than help with the investigation of a missing young woman, KWIM?

Besides, that would involve getting all bar patrons to agree on the same story, wouldn't it? If one guy says, "I think I saw Nick back about 10 minutes later," and 5 other patrons say, "I didn't see him then," - well, that would be a big issue right there, wouldn't it?

Even though we read news and posts about awful people, I still believe in the basic decency and goodness of most people. I'll guess that most of the people associated with Froggy's are much more concerned about Kelli's welfare than they are about the reputation of the local watering hole.

Respectfully, I think you're adding a layer of possible complexity that doesn't likely exist. More likely that people have been very honest and shared everything they recall about that night - except Nick Holbert.

Good points. What you say may very well be the case.
Only thing I disagree on is all the patrons telling the same story.
Because it wouldn't be practical for everyone there to be watching NH and
Kelli leaving.
But it only takes a few who did see poke a hole in the timeline KWIM ?
As far as giving the bar a bad name NH took care of that all by himself if he is indeed responsible. jmo

 

[tlzzdavis]

Clearly the bar owner seemed 'concerned' about the situation and was willing to cover NH's arse without too much investigation on his part. He realized he was going to have the cops all over him, which happened, and now he's in jail. Is he concerned about what whatever has happened to Kelli or only concerned about covering his own arse? That's what bothers me.

Still, I want to see evidence. NH could be telling the truth. He spent five years in prison, got out in 2008. Has he kept out of trouble since then? Interesting that he has a computer when he has no home - is it full of pedophile material? If so, what I read and linked earlier, indicates he'd not be interested in an adult. But, if he's a general psycho who likes to hurt people, which may include not caring if they're children, then maybe he went into psycho mode and did something to Kelli. Can a guy like that lay low for over three years without anyone suspecting he's a sicko? I have no clue.

Unfortunately, if NH is charged, we won't get to know the details of the evidence LE has or anything until the trial is underway. Is that right?
In the meantime, where's Kelli?

Who said he had a computer? Where is that stated?

 

[StrayKat]

I just think the whole "A MAN is taking me home" does not sound like a normal text that a girl would send to her friend. It just sounds wrong. It makes it sound like someone that she has never met that is a man is taking her home. I can't see her sending that herself. If I got a random text from a friend that said "A Man is taking me home", I would be totally confused and think that she was playing a joke on me. Who sends a text like that??

Unless she was scared of the "friend" and wanted them to think a "MAN" was taking her home... KWIM?
She may have gotten home safely, someone may have surprised her as soon as she got home... IDK.

Does anyone know if tracking dogs were brought in right away where he dropped her off or if they tracked her scent.

 

[parker38]

Who said he had a computer? Where is that stated?

Not my post you quoted but I would agree with you wondering
where it was said Nick had a computer

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Who said he had a computer? Where is that stated?

VOI told us that iirc - a computer, a phone and a car.

 

[tlzzdavis]

I think the quote button is messed up...it show my statement as being said by Woe. I quoted someone and it showed Parker.. .craziness :what:

 

[tlzzdavis]

I remember them saying phone, cigarettes and gas for his car. Poor VOH tries to help and I have seen them misquoted more than anything. Kinda sad.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Not my post you quoted but I would agree with you wondering
where it was said Nick had a computer

tizzdavis (it happens) has set off a series of misquotes. I forget what it's called.
See how in the post above, I'm quoted when it's not my post and onward.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Who said he had a computer? Where is that stated?

Not my post you quoted but I would agree with you wondering
where it was said Nick had a computer

VOI told us that iirc - a computer, a phone and a car.

tizzdavis has set off a series of misquotes. I forget what it's called.
See how in the post above, I'm quoted when it's not my post and onward.

These are all messed up. Let's stop quoting and get past this section.

 

[StrayKat]

I do not think Nich had anything to do with it. It does look like he is concerned in those interviews... IMO

 

[tlzzdavis]

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Regardless...I was wondering where it states that NH had a computer?

 

[Portabella]

Lets play nice....

I don't ever remember hearing that Nick had a computer. I however know he did have a facebook, I figured he used the local library or such to access it.

 

[parker38]

I do not think Nich had anything to do with it. It does look like he is concerned in those interviews... IMO

This is what I am struggling with also. I watch his interviews think
he's not guilty and then it hits me, then who else could have had
the means motive and opportunity.
But why would he risk that friendship with kelli? seems they
were having fun together, or so we've heard.
And I'll be honest, I don't think a friendship with the likes of
Kelli comes along to Nick to often. Just doesn't make since jmo

 

[Kimster]

VOI told us that iirc - a computer, a phone and a car.

VOH is not a verified poster. It is rumor at this point and rumor is not allowed on Websleuths. This is why misunderstandings and frustrations happen and mods like me are up past their bedtime editing and removing posts.

 

[Kimster]

FYI, if your post quotes get messed up, use the alert button for that too. Mods can fix them unless they go beyond repair. I think they went beyond repair in this thread. :yow:

ETA: I think I'm done making corrections. Continue on and be good to each other! :tyou:

 

[JustyThoughts]

Update on earlier point related to KB's male friends as have been cited. I finally found a video interview with the friend that was her boss in FLA and the one trying to call her and noting that her cell seemed to be off and then later went to VM. He is on a video at Fox News - Fox & Friends dated April 19th. His name is John and full name given in the report.

So he is a different fella than the one named Justin that was in Froggys with Kelli - the one it is reported got the "got home safely" text. And while I was searching an interesting note is that on FB KB has 6 friends first name Justin.

 

[spoiledmom]

I am going to be pretty frustrated if there is no new news tomorrow. I just want them to find Kelli. It doesn't seem like they searched long at all. You would think that they would have the decency to at least tell us why they have stopped searching. I can't imagine how her family feels. I hope LE has way more information than we know about because it just seems like they have settled a little too quickly. Even if they search the wooded area again, sometimes it takes several times before someone finds something. What if she is still alive somewhere and they are wasting time? My gut tells me that she is no longer alive but there is always that chance.