GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #7

[Okay then]

Did anybody else notice this in the Today Show interview with Mike and Matt? Was the final text message sent to Holbert? I thought the friend Justin said he got the text saying she was getting a ride with a man. I assumed he was also the person that received the final text.



http://myfox8.com/2012/04/26/husband-of-missing-soldier-suspicious-of-sex-offender/

Not an expert on cell phones or pings but if NH had Kellis cell phone to send a misdirecting text to himself, would both phones ping as being in the exact same location at the same time? Proving he sent a text to himself from her phone?

 

[spoiledmom]

But even the parking lot, the dumpster, the Tiki bar where the muddy boots were found behind the bar. That whole area would be concidered a crime scene. I don't know, something is just off to me about it.

Maybe they think they checked out the bar enough. They took all the evidence they have in for testing. I'm sure they checked the dumpster, tiki bar etc a couple weeks ago. They probably don't have anything left to do at the bar.

 

[spoiledmom]

Not an expert on cell phones or pings but if NH had Kellis cell phone to send a misdirecting text to himself, would both phones ping as being in the exact same location at the same time? Proving he sent a text to himself from her phone?

I would think so unless he was smart and had his cell phone in another location while texting from hers. But, it very well could be the reason police aren't focusing anywhere by her apartment complex. They seem pretty set on the same location. They also seem pretty convinced that her cell phone is near Froggy Bottoms since they specifically asked searchers to look for it.

But they are going to need more info than that to solve the case. At least they have him locked up while they are waiting for forensics.

 

[WideOpen]

Then again, maybe they are leaving the bar open and have hidden surveillance hoping that a certain suspect, car, motorcycle might come back around. Don't criminals like to return to the scene of the crime?
Just thinking.
JMO
I feel that they do have the right person (NH) and pray they can find all the evidence they are hoping to find in the searches.

 

[spoiledmom]

Notice how the police always say,"last seen walking out of Froggy bottoms bar?" If they believed Nick dropped her off where he said he did, they would say, "last seen a quarter of a mile from the entrance of...apartment complex." It's all about when she left the bar. The only people that mention where Nick dropped her off is the media and Nick. Why don't the police ask if anybody saw anything suspicious in the area Nick dropped her off? Probably because they know she wasn't dropped off where he said she was.IMO.

 

[WideOpen]

Not an expert on cell phones or pings but if NH had Kellis cell phone to send a misdirecting text to himself, would both phones ping as being in the exact same location at the same time? Proving he sent a text to himself from her phone?

Welcome okaythen! :woohoo:
Thats a great question. :great:

 

[VOH910]

VOH, wondering what your percentages are at this point - still 75%/25%?
Answer if you will or you can take a pass.

I'm confused. Like all of you, there are questions I want answered. I've been at about 50-50 again for a week or so. Hopefully things become clear very soon, including where Kelli is.

 

[VOH910]

I meant the entrance of her apartment complex. They haven't focused on it because they don't believe she was dropped off there. It's all about the Froggy Bottoms area.

Belief is a perspective. If they had nothing else to go on, coming to a dead end, they should start at the beginning and go over what they didn't cover to start. However, they have something, but perhaps it isn't exactly what they think. MOO

 

[Muckrucker]

I respectfully disagree!
Circumstancial evidence and they would have charged him with murder then tightened the noose and said they would take the dp off the table if he tells where she is.
I dont think they have any evidence she is dead! because they dont have a crime scene.

JMO

Equally respectfully, for starters, we have no idea if they do have a crime scene, or not. And secondly, not all murder charges carry the DP to begin with. In North Carolina, only murder in the 1st degree does.

 

[VOH910]

I hate to ask this question, but can someone more local to the Fayetteville area tell me if your pools are open for the season yet down there?
They are not yet where I live.

ETA: I am thinking in terms of, do they need to be/are they being searched?
TIA

Personal pools? They are starting to be opened. Public ones? I do not know. The only public pool I know of that is outside is about 15 minutes from Froggy's in another part of town.

 

[Muckrucker]

Regulars aren't always there every night. There are lots of people I personally haven't seen the few times I have been there since that night. However, that doesn't indicate anything. Everyone who was there that night has been back at least once.

BBM
Except Kelli. :sigh:

So sad.

ETA. Why did that quote so weird? Quoting VOH. Not sure how to fix, sorry. Sigh.

The quote is broken because the 'bold' tag is overlapping the 'end quote' tag. To fix the quote:
* go back into edit.
* Look right before the last time you see the word 'quote'.
* It will look like this:

* Correct it so it looks like this:

Hope that helps.

 

[spoiledmom]

Belief is a perspective. If they had nothing else to go on, coming to a dead end, they should start at the beginning and go over what they didn't cover to start. However, they have something, but perhaps it isn't exactly what they think. MOO

Without a doubt. I completely agree. I believe that if they really don't know anything then they have a problem. There are several places to investigate etc..but their focus is in one area as though they have ruled out all others. I hope they aren't wasting valuable time. If it turns out they come to a dead end I will be pretty disappointed that other options weren't really explored from the beginning. But I am assuming they do have plenty of evidence in order to be so sure they are in the right spot. Otherwise you would think that they would change their focus.

 

[VOH910]

Without a doubt. I completely agree. I believe that if they really don't know anything then they have a problem. There are several places to investigate etc..but their focus is in one area as though they have ruled out all others. I hope they aren't wasting valuable time. If it turns out they come to a dead end I will be pretty disappointed that other options weren't really explored from the beginning. But I am assuming they do have plenty of evidence in order to be so sure they are in the right spot. Otherwise you would think that they would change their focus.

I'm concerned about that. Now they want to speak to someone who was on Ramsey St around 12:30?

I do think they are trying everything they can, please don't get me wrong, but I'm not 100% they didn't get tunnel vision in regard to Nick. I can understand why they would.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Eileen, your disagreement is accepted and your response is reasonable such that I agree with you. That is certainly a strategy LE would use (ie. Gary Hilton).

We still see more defendants go to trial when the case is a death penalty case than we see those that will plea if they take the death penalty off the table. In a lot of states all it takes is one lone holdout in the sentencing phase and the death penalty isnt given. So the defendant wound up with LWOP anyway.

And a lot of DAs will not plea a case down even if the defendant wants to plea even if they are willing to tell them where the victim's body is located.

If Holbert is arrested and charged with Kelli's murder, imo, he will not try to plea with the DA nor will the DA accept a plea, but will take his chances at trial even if the DA is going for the DP.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm concerned about that. Now they want to speak to someone who was on Ramsey St around 12:30?

I do think they are trying everything they can, please don't get me wrong, but I'm not 100% they didn't get tunnel vision in regard to Nick. I can understand why they would.

Maybe they have found evidence that points them in that direction.

You have to admit either he is the world's unluckiest man right now or he is the murderer.

What are the coincidences that he happened to be the last one seen with her and oops when she is making the short walk to her apartment that night another pervert just happened to come along minutes later?

 

[spoiledmom]

I'm concerned about that. Now they want to speak to someone who was on Ramsey St around 12:30?

I do think they are trying everything they can, please don't get me wrong, but I'm not 100% they didn't get tunnel vision in regard to Nick. I can understand why they would.

I really hope that "tunnel vision" isn't why they are focusing on Nick either. If this is the case then I am putting my faith in the wrong people. I really hope that all this isn't because of his past record and that they are actually focusing on information/items collected. Otherwise, they don't have anything and that's scary.

 

[parker38]

I'm concerned about that. Now they want to speak to someone who was on Ramsey St around 12:30?

I do think they are trying everything they can, please don't get me wrong, but I'm not 100% they didn't get tunnel vision in regard to Nick. I can understand why they would.

I too hope that they didn't have tunnel vision with Nick. Something
he even commented on way back when. It was during his interview
with the reporter where he said something to the effect, I'm being
looked at because of my past.

On the other hand we only have Nick's version of everything that
went down that night. Could he possibly have driven thru this complex
and was able to get out another exit? I'm not familiar with the apts
so I don't know.

If so where would it take them?

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I just went back to look at the incident report since I read on a post that has disappeared that it was written in chicken scratch, I must be seeing a different report. The one I see has the "type" written prompt.... Sorry if I am looking at the wrong report. Can you please give me a link to show me it hand written in chicken scratch by the officer? TIA

Sorry Portabella, that was me who deleted my errant post that I made before I fully understood your explanation for why the words were visible in the weapons box. For one, I thought the form was called a Missing Person Report versus an Incident Report. Therefore, the form could be used for reporting other types of incidents that don't involve a missing person. Having a weapons box makes more sense if you're reporting an indicent where somebody got beat up or something. Finally, my dim bulb registered what you explained to us that the words were left in the box by the person who filled out the form but they don't apply to Kelli's case.

The minute I realized that, I deleted my post - which was wrong anyway :blushing: - but regardless, it no longer applied. Sorry for the confusion it caused.

 

[Muckrucker]

BBM

Thanks for the insight. I agree that NH's bond is high for a reason. But I have a question.

Does that mean that the judge has to also believe he is the likely suspect, even though he wasn't named as such? Or would he have had to officially been named one (and it just wasn't made public)? In other words, does LE get to talk to the judge about his link to Kelli's case or evidence that points to him, even if he hasn't been charged?

I was asking this same question earlier yesterday in post #856. Like you, I wonder if there was some sort of 'probable cause' details related to the judge during the bond hearing? From my earlier post:

Since someone (prosecutor?) would have had to argue for the amount of bond for NH, would they have shared evidence possibly related to Kelli's disappearance at the point as a justification for high bond? Would that threshold have been very high, or would it be enough to obtain the high bond based on RSO designation and the fact he was last known seen with Kelli?

They (prosecutors) must have had to explain why they were asking for such a high bond - and it must have been compelling for the judge to agree.

Would also love to know which prosecutors presented the details at the bond hearing. I wonder if it was a low-level prosecutor, or one of the higher DA's - the same ones who would try murder cases.

Does anyone recall seeing anything (names) about the attorney for the state during the bond hearing? TYIA

 

[VOH910]

Maybe they have found evidence that points them in that direction.

You have to admit either he is the world's unluckiest man right now or he is the murderer.

What are the coincidences that he happened to be the last one seen with her and oops when she is making the short walk to her apartment that night another pervert just happened to come along minutes later?

Agreed