GUILTY NC - PFC Kelli Bordeaux, 23, Fayetteville, 14 April 2012 - #7

[VOH910]

Not fair. But it's the reason I sometimes don't like when peeps close to the case are posting. I mean we're not trying to offend or accuse anybody but we have to feel free to say what we're thinking. We don't know, or we're not supposed to know, except for rare cases, who each other are.

When I see someone with 1,000 posts, they've posted on other cases, one can assume they don't have a personal interest in a case. When someone jumps on just because of a case, you might be listening to see if there's an agenda there.

That said, I don't think VOH has an agenda but VOH is sensitive, understandably so, in regard to the friends of Froggy's.

I can understand, but also please note that I do not take things personally. I have yet to be offended by anything said in here. I understand we all want the same thing - Kelli to be found! Different points of view, different thoughts - it helps.

 

[VOH910]

Thank you, but I am not talking about 041312, I am talking anytime. Have you EVER seen her to drive herself to FB's? Did she always have a ride in other words or did she drive herself on occasion?

Sorry I was not clear with my first question....TIA

I'm not sure on that. Sorry. Wish I was.

 

[VOH910]

Maybe Justin - friend from FL- took husband back to FL with him? In that case, husband may have been back at the apartment packing when KB and Justin at bar. Hubby said he had never been to Froggys with or w/o KB, and they never went to bars - ex Buffalo place to get wings. Rare for a 21+ yo. Suspect hx prior ETOH/drug use that lead to him not going to bars. Still think they were separated shortly before this all went down and KB showed up at bar with no ring on, friendly, and looking available.

VOH - How many times did KB come to FB that you are aware of? Just off top of your head.

I would say 4 or 5 that I know of. But understand I am not the type of person that goes to the bar EVERY day. I go once or twice a week, and on occasion 3 times a week - but that's usually a special week.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I can only answer this in my opinion, NO I don't think he would be accountable. However, out of the patrons that were there, I believe someone would be, or a worker would be, someone would come forward. Also, I may be alone on this, but I believe VOH truly cares about finding Kelli, VOH was there, and if a cover up I would think that He/She would have gone to LE right away....IMHO.

Now as far as him being his dad, that is interesting, never thought of that. I mean again we are speculating, but who knows....that would take the cake. IMHO

Did I accuse VOH of anything? Let me be clear, I do not suspect VOH of any wrongdoing. Do you know VOH personally? I don't, therefore, I don't know what VOH would or would not do in any situation. :waitasec:
My remark about SC being NH's father was meant as a joke - I was being facetious.

 

[Portabella]

VOH, do you have any clue if the burn barrels were searched? How often were the ashes cleaned out of them? Where were the ashes dumped? In the dumpster or in woods behind bar?

I keep thinking about that report of a stench. Does not have to mean a body stench. Could mean burning cell phone (plastic) or burning shoes (rubber) many things create a stench. And by the time LE followed up the stench was unfounded, could be since open air the stench would be gone....IMHO...Just thinking outloud again...

 

[Portabella]

Did I accuse VOH of anything? Let me be clear, I do not suspect VOH of any wrongdoing. Do you know VOH personally? I don't, therefore, I don't know what VOH would or would not do in any situation. :waitasec:
My remark about SC being NH's father was meant as a joke - I was being facetious.

No...but all I felt you exhibited was the fact you do not have tunnel vision, and you can think outside the box.... These are not bad traits to have....

 

[curiousjo]

IF stench human decompensation, then anyone at that bar would know, since suppose to be absolutely terrible. I think the police who have noticed the smell immediately... unless someone moved body at that point - before police returned to check it out. You would think cadaver dogs would have been brought to bar and surrounding woods. If decomposing body lying on ground, trunk - then would be picked up and police would know if her scent went out bar to parking lots, woods, or stayed in bar. Not to mention deceased urine released from bladder.

If was rubber, then thats identifiable smell.

Doubtful phone makes much of stench.

If any of above burned, then would find bone, rubber or phone remnants.

 

[Muckrucker]

I have a question for anyone in the area:

Did anyone hear anything more at all about the vigil that Kelli's unit had planned for her last Thursday night?

 

[Cazzie]

I can't shake the hypothetical scenario that more than one person may have been involved with whatever happened to Kelli, and obviously hope that is not true.

Just saying...

 

[Portabella]

I cannot help but feel that LE feel they have their man in custody, now they are waiting on tests, tips, and further evidence to tighten the noose...IMHO

 

[Cazzie]

Earlier, someone asked what this age restriction was about. I believe it was in place because they wanted to pragmatically discriminate against lower-ranking, younger military members. This was a common practice in the 70's, though back then they went further and said no MALES below 25. The military was far more male back then, and they wanted to ensure that the customers did not have to compete with the overabundance of lower ranked male soldiers.

To that end, even though it's posted to ostensibly exclude all under 25's, I'm quite sure that this bar would not discriminate against women under 25 if they were alone or not with another man, as I have some knowledge of such practice.

Wow, that is mind-boggling yet enlightening. Wonder if that's the reason now.

 

[curiousjo]

I'm just going to state what I'm thinking here and it's only another theory. I smell a coverup. Something happened to Kelli at Froggy's and instead of reporting it (due to owner's warrants, NH's RSO status and affiliation with the bar among other possibilities) they took the long road (because that's what less than honest people do who are avoiding arrest and are ex-cons) instead of calling LE immediately. Now, if there was an accident or Kelli was overserved or drugged - whoever is in even more trouble. Even if Nick turns out to be guilty, the bar peeps have covered up for him to some extent.

- Hinky went up when timeline changed, midnight vs. after 1AM.
- Muddy sneakers show up behind bar after LE had already been there once that day. Stench reported but not verified.
- Suspicious texts sent from Kelli's phone that don't sound as if they are in her own 'voice'.
- DJ either accepts or requests friend status on Kelli's FB on Saturday (don't know what time tho but if LE thinks midnight is key to the story now it wasn't Saturday yet eliminating simultaneous FB communication).
- Phone missing
- Fire barrels lit on Friday night at Froggy's
- LE taking samples from back of Poindexter's van
- no one will guess the approx time when Kelli last sang
- Nick returned to the bar in approx. 10 mins after leaving w/Kelli per owner per hearsay
- tab unpaid but we're told it was Nick's and Kelli's, why? (trying to make it sound as if Nick was a customer - we know he practically lived at Froggy's so why not just admit that? There are secrets surrounding Nick - backpedaling going on - he was being paid under the table for doing odd jobs but nobody wants to admit that. Nick said it himself that he helped around the bar and lived behind it, sometimes in his car. Nick may have helped with the coverup but isn't responsible for Kelli's death. Now Nick and bar owner would have to turn on eachother or someone else.)

What lead you to believe time line changed from 0120 to MN?
And if only 20 people at bar all night, then minimal peeps at MN---- so, they should ALL know when KB left. Come on!? The Froggy peeps need to come forward with the truth.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I thought they were 39 and 25! Or do I have those ages wrong?

It was a joke - but the ages are 49 and 25. :wink:

 

[WideOpen]

It would be really helpful to see TES come in and help search. VOH have you heard of Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch?
http://texasequusearch.org/

Does kelli have a missing facebook page?
JMO

 

[mamamia54]

I think the general public needs to be made aware that if they see a flock of Vultures flying overhead, they need to stay at that location, or near it and call LE. Nature sometimes plays a role in locating a deceased body and many just ignore those signs. Just sayin......

 

[Chili Fries]

VOH, were the clocks at Froggy Bottoms set to bar time...were they 15 minutes fast? If so, LE would have to take that into account when trying to establish a timeline.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

What lead you to believe time line changed from 0120 to MN?
And if only 20 people at bar all night, then minimal peeps at MN---- so, they should ALL know when KB left. Come on!? The Froggy peeps need to come forward with the truth.

I wasn't stating tried and true facts. LE said they are interested in any strange happenings along Ramsey Street around midnight. Maybe they are inquiring about something unrelated to Kelli's disappearance at a presser about her? If Kelli was happily singing in Froggy's at midnight, why would LE be asking the public for observations at that time? Guess I'm assuming too much again.

It was never said there were exactly 20 people in the bar all night - it was said there were over 20 people, pick-nit appropriate here. Most people, when they go out to a bar on a Friday night, come later and stay later since there is no food at Froggy's. Of course, I can't say there were 20 people there at any given time but since they went there to drink and are friends and it's a Friday night, I made another huge leap of an assumption - okay three people had already left by midnight. Since they stated OVER 20 had been there that still leaves 20 - happy now?

You're right about one thing tho, we've never been given an official timeline nor do we know the times those two texts were supposedly sent, probably by someone other than Kelli herself. Only Nick and the bar owner, who backed Nick up, said they left the bar sometime around 1:20AM.

I'd like to know when Kelli sent her last text or series of texts before the two we've heard about but don't know about. :maddening:

 

[Melly53]

What lead you to believe time line changed from 0120 to MN?
And if only 20 people at bar all night, then minimal peeps at MN---- so, they should ALL know when KB left. Come on!? The Froggy peeps need to come forward with the truth.

I don't think that is true. If I am at a bar drinking and having fun, even if it is late, I would not necessarily know when every other person there left. I guess I am just not nosey enough to care about what everyone else is up to or what their comings and goings are, much less the exact time they happen. We do not have any reason to believe that anyone at Froggy's has not come forward with the truth.

I do not believe that there was more than one person involved with KB's disappearance. I have found that the old saying, "the only way to keep your secret is if you are the only one who knows it", to usually be true. If LE has any kind of evidence that indicates that KB met with foul play and is most likely deceased, then I doubt that either NH or SC would be keeping quiet if they were the one looking at possibly being charged. Death penalty, or LWOP if I did not kill her, would certainly make me tell ALL that I knew. Also I thought VOH, and the media both reported that SC was not even at the bar that night.

 

[phantomthought]

Wow, that is mind-boggling yet enlightening. Wonder if that's the reason now.

Try this one on.In my day on base if you were under 21 you could only drink what they called 3.2 beer (miller,Budweiser) if you were over 21 you could drink 5.0 beer(Michelob,Heineken) or mixed drinks.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Why do people suddenly think time Time Line off and KB left around MN?
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-VOH had previously pointed out that only 20 people TOTAL in bar that night, and fewer later into night.
-Owner commented that multiple peeps saw NH and KB leave, then NH returned in <10 minutes.
If only a hand full of peep around at MN, then they ALL know when KB and NH left. Come on!
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WTH could have happened?

Any chance this was a gang rape cover up? But, why would NH agree to being the fall guy unless he was part of it? Why would bar peep cover up for NH, a convicted pedophile - or is it just the owner since he was concerned with investigation leading to find his secret past?

Nick did not disclose his crime - bar peeps say they didn't know. I'd go with accident over gang rape - they're not animals these people, just peeps with hidden warrants. Plus it's a mixed group of men and women at Froggy's.