AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #5

[WildOrchid]

Frankly, I think many people do not believe the story and that’s why they aren’t helping. I think they believe they are on a wild goose chase and searching is fruitless because they don’t believe the child is there. Noema cannot turn this around because she’s already stated what she knows...which is basically nothing at all between when the kids got out of her car and when she found her little boy crying. I feel LE could easily throw out a carrot or 2 (such as where did the search dog lose the scent) to convince the public that Dulce was in fact at the park and did in fact drop off the face of the earth at this (unspecified as of now) exact location. That, in my opinion would renew public interest, restart a conversation and take the focus off of gossipy chatter and place focus back on Dulce where it should be. The hush-hush approach and the “no questions will be answered” response, to me, is off-putting. They have to get people to believe in what they are buying into. Right now, all the public knows for sure is that this little child is missing. That’s it. IMO

 

[FlossyMay]

I'm assuming the 8 year old can verify that Dulce was in the park.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I'm assuming the 8 year old can verify that Dulce was in the park.

Was just thinking about that! I haaate thinking the way I am right now....I really do MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

I just can’t get over that picture of Dulce’s mother with her head and face completely covered with a hoodie - bowed down.

 

[WildOrchid]

We may believe it if an 8 year old can verify it. But if LE or the family wants the general (local) public to buy in and help search, then LE has to, IMO, give proof that Dulce was there to overcome the gossip that has been thrown for so long now. Where did the dog drop the scent? Did he pick it up at the playground, follow it to the woods and drop it? Did it loop back to the playground like she was just running back and forth while playing? Was it from the day she went missing or an older scent from a previous visit? LE’s silence to me just adds to conjecture. And conjecture is crap. It’s very upsetting. Where is this little girl? We need all hands on deck a MONTH ago. Now where IS the deck?

I'm assuming the 8 year old can verify that Dulce was in the park.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I'm assuming the 8 year old can verify that Dulce was in the park.

I think many of us are seeking that verification. Typically, a child of 8 has not reached "age of reason", and is rarely considered credible. However, I'd be very interested in what she said.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[LovesPeace2]

I am so conflicted in this I’ve taken my kids to the park and have read and only glanced up at the minions other times Id be right there depending on how hyper they are. The only thing I know is in pictures babygirl looks healthy happy and hèr eyes are smiling I know shortly before she was gone she was getting ice cream and happy .i see a mom that was distracted and now her baby girl is gone.i now see a broken pregnant mom being judged by all because she was distracted . Her daughter is gone because of it my heart breaks for her and hèr family I hope they find her soon and pray she’s alive just moo

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I am so conflicted in this I’ve taken my kids to the park and have read and only glanced up at the minions other times Id be right there depending on how hyper they are. The only thing I know is in pictures babygirl looks healthy happy and hèr eyes are smiling I know shortly before she was gone she was getting ice cream and happy .i see a mom that was distracted and now her baby girl is gone.i now see a broken pregnant mom being judged by all because she was distracted . Her daughter is gone because of it my heart breaks for her and hèr family I hope they find her soon and pray she’s alive just moo

Well said!
Conflicted...absolutely. MOO

 

[155etta]

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The suspected kidnapper, described as a man between 5 ft 6 ins and 5 ft 8 ins tall, with a thin build and no facial hair, allegedly led the child into a red van with a sliding door on the passenger side and tinted windows, and drove off, leaving her three-year-old brother behind on the playground.

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The planned search comes after police released a sketch of someone they want to speak with in relation to the disappearance.

Desperate family of missing Dulce Maria Alavez to launch a 'massive' new search | Daily Mail Online

Why does it say "no facial hair" when the sketch shows him with a mustache and goatee? Is that not considered facial hair?

 

[155etta]

I think being 19 and pregnant and in the public eye is a daunting task for anyone. But yea, I don't believe any of the renditions of the story being told. Not at all.

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I can't imagine being 19 and pregnant with my THIRD child. Egads.

 

[rosesfromangels]

As I posted upthread, it’s clear the Grandparents have taken good care of Dulce. Well nourished, well groomed, cute little clothes, and an appearance of a happy and thriving little girl. Right down to her little girl high heeled shoes.
Ah Dulce, can you please be one of the few miracle recoveries we see all too infrequently?

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[Jade]

As I posted upthread, it’s clear the Grandparents have taken good care of Dulce. Well nourished, well groomed, cute little clothes, and an appearance of a happy and thriving little girl. Right down to her little girl high heeled shoes.
Ah Dulce, can you please be one of the few miracle recoveries we see all too infrequently?

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Thank you for understanding what I meant. Not trying to take away from Mom’s loss.

It just must be so horrible. DA is such a darling and a joy to everyone in the family.



imo

 

[MimosaMornings]

MOO
Seems there is more than just “talking bad” about Dulce’s mother going on. What about the support for the grandparents raising the children? Is the whole family ostracized?
And if it’s a few people on FB talking trash - that’s one thing versus an entire community.
Is it on the mother’s FB page or just general talk?
I think there’s information in the community.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Thank you for understanding what I meant. Not trying to take away from Mom’s loss.

It just must be so horrible. DA is such a darling and a joy to everyone in the family.
imo

Yes, I think little “Cupcake” is weighing on our minds, and we are just so so so sick and angry that little children have become increasingly disposable in our society. We are all outraged and distraught.

I don’t have all the answers, but I do know “3 hots and a cot” isn’t the right one.

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[CSIDreamer]

MOO
Seems there is more than just “talking bad” about Dulce’s mother going on. What about the support for the grandparents raising the children? Is the whole family ostracized?
And if it’s a few people on FB talking trash - that’s one thing versus an entire community.
Is it on the mother’s FB page or just general talk?
I think there’s information in the community.

This whole thing in sharp contrast to little Cupcake. I realize there are SO many differences, but my gosh. We've got a little 5 year old missing and *crickets*. Dulce's mother afraid to be seen in public, Cupcake's mother being protected by LE (stay off the camera).

The public frankly needs for someone in that family to get good and angry and face the camera with intention. Clear up these inconsistencies and get the focus back on the child and off the mother. If that means Neoma is never seen anywhere near a camera again, hey whatever it takes. Her priorities right now are finding her little girl by whatever means necessary and her unborn child. Which means she has to take care of her health.

JMO

 

[JerzeyGirl]

I can't find the article but LE has confirmed that Dulce was at the park that day.

I think her community can't believe that Dulce was taken. They don't want to believe she was kidnapped. That would mean there's a crazy predator on the loose. It's easier to say mom did it. Or to keep with the speculation.

The community isn't very well educated, a lot poverty, illegal immigrants, very much only around their own culture and people just like them, etc. They don't know how LE or investigations work. They don't understand that LE isn't going to give many details on a case and instead of understanding that they say "oh mom did it since LE isn't talking."

A lot of it is just ignorance and misunderstandings. I deal with it with my family when it comes to LE, healthcare and many other things. It can be very frustrating.

Since people think mom did it they will stay away from the family as much as possible. They don't want the stigma of being around a potential child killer or someone who sold their kid. Noema and her family have probably been shunned, even by their own family. They don't want people gossiping about them so they stay away!

I can only imagine but I truly think Noema doesn't just get harassed by the public but by her own family too. She gets it from all ends.

ETA: Where is her bio dad's family?? I feel like no one cares about this little girl.

 

[Kuyluc2764]

I can't find the article but LE has confirmed that Dulce was at the park that day.

I think her community can't believe that Dulce was taken. They don't want to believe she was kidnapped. That would mean there's a crazy predator on the loose. It's easier to say mom did it. Or to keep with the speculation.

The community isn't very well educated, a lot poverty, illegal immigrants, very much only around their own culture and people just like them, etc. They don't know how LE or investigations work. They don't understand that LE isn't going to give many details on a case and instead of understanding that they say "oh mom did it since LE isn't talking."

A lot of it is just ignorance and misunderstandings. I deal with it with my family when it comes to LE, healthcare and many other things. It can be very frustrating.

Since people think mom did it they will stay away from the family as much as possible. They don't want the stigma of being around a potential child killer or someone who sold their kid. Noema and her family have probably been shunned, even by their own family. They don't want people gossiping about them so they stay away!

I can only imagine but I truly think Noema doesn't just get harassed by the public but by her own family too. She gets it from all ends.

ETA: Where is her bio dad's family?? I feel like no one cares about this little girl.

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I read an article that talked about the amount of undocumented immigrants that live in this town. I really believe that most people just don't want to come forward because of that fear of possibly being deported. I think that the police and/or ICE really messed up when they detained Noemas boyfriend, even if he was released. Now, nobody is going to take that chance. Had that not happened I think the community would have felt more safe to come forward and say something. And this includes family. Deportation is no joke, especially when you have lived in the US for so long, have kids here, own your own home, etc.

 

[Backstroke10]

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I read an article that talked about the amount of undocumented immigrants that live in this town. I really believe that most people just don't want to come forward because of that fear of possibly being deported. I think that the police and/or ICE really messed up when they detained Noemas boyfriend, even if he was released. Now, nobody is going to take that chance. Had that not happened I think the community would have felt more safe to come forward and say something. And this includes family. Deportation is no joke, especially when you have lived in the US for so long, have kids here, own your own home, etc.

BBM I completely agree! If they would grant citizenship to anyone (and their immediate family) providing details that would lead to an arrest and the location of Dulce, LE would probably start getting some information. MOO

 

[WildOrchid]

I have been wracking my brain to figure out what the difference is between this case and the recent one I won’t mention by name to avoid derailment. Both cases involve communities that are hardly wealthy, both involve awful accusations toward people we aren’t allowed to accuse. Both are toddlers gone without much of a trace. Neither are the typical Caucasian families that many feel get easiest exposure. Both communities are said to harbor distrust of LE for different reasons. Yet one case was solved and this one silently drags on. Why? To me, one is the difference in the LE. While I agree with the theory of fear of deportment, there is still a lack of approachability here that the other case didn’t have. How many pressers have happened with only more mounting questions and more frustration? For me, it’s many. And the biggest difference that I see is helplessness. The other case was full of fiery and determined people in the community and nationwide who would have moved mountains to get the child back. Can you imagine going up against that child’s grandmothers to prevent them from getting to her? I can’t! In this case, I keep thinking the effect is shyness or quietness. But it’s more like helplessness now that I think about it. Like they don’t know where to turn or who to ask or what to do. That is a crying shame.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have been wracking my brain to figure out what the difference is between this case and the recent one I won’t mention by name to avoid derailment. Both cases involve communities that are hardly wealthy, both involve awful accusations toward people we aren’t allowed to accuse. Both are toddlers gone without much of a trace. Neither are the typical Caucasian families that many feel get easiest exposure. Both communities are said to harbor distrust of LE for different reasons. Yet one case was solved and this one silently drags on. Why? To me, one is the difference in the LE. While I agree with the theory of fear of deportment, there is still a lack of approachability here that the other case didn’t have. How many pressers have happened with only more mounting questions and more frustration? For me, it’s many. And the biggest difference that I see is helplessness. The other case was full of fiery and determined people in the community and nationwide who would have moved mountains to get the child back. Can you imagine going up against that child’s grandmothers to prevent them from getting to her? I can’t! In this case, I keep thinking the effect is shyness or quietness. But it’s more like helplessness now that I think about it. Like they don’t know where to turn or who to ask or what to do. That is a crying shame.

I see it differently. They are quiet because they believe they know what happened, and that person(s) aren’t talking.

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