AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #5

[Kuyluc2764]

I'm not even surprised. I live in the area but I don't have FB so I'm lucky to be out of the loop on some of the horrific things that go on. I always tell my family that I like my little bubble I live in without FB.

And this is why I love the quietness of WS. We may bicker a little and disagree but this is paradise compared to SM.

 

[Sillybilly]

Bumping for the very last time ...

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[Nadal]

I have been wracking my brain to figure out what the difference is between this case and the recent one I won’t mention by name to avoid derailment. Both cases involve communities that are hardly wealthy, both involve awful accusations toward people we aren’t allowed to accuse. Both are toddlers gone without much of a trace. Neither are the typical Caucasian families that many feel get easiest exposure. Both communities are said to harbor distrust of LE for different reasons. Yet one case was solved and this one silently drags on. Why? To me, one is the difference in the LE. While I agree with the theory of fear of deportment, there is still a lack of approachability here that the other case didn’t have. How many pressers have happened with only more mounting questions and more frustration? For me, it’s many. And the biggest difference that I see is helplessness. The other case was full of fiery and determined people in the community and nationwide who would have moved mountains to get the child back. Can you imagine going up against that child’s grandmothers to prevent them from getting to her? I can’t! In this case, I keep thinking the effect is shyness or quietness. But it’s more like helplessness now that I think about it. Like they don’t know where to turn or who to ask or what to do. That is a crying shame.

Good post. I think the threat of ICE and the language barrier is the main difference. The black community have no reason to trust LE but they are in most cases natural born citizens without that additional external threat and they speak english (unlike Dulce's mom not saying all or most of the Hispanic community don't of course) so can appeal to the public more effectively.

It could also simply be that Cupcake's case was "easier", hate putting it that way but the perps there if they are guilty weren't exactly the brightest, we have no idea what happened here so maybe it was more careful than Cupcake's situation.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Is there a national missing children’s group that could get involved and help the family?

 

[HongKongPhooey]

Good post. I think the threat of ICE and the language barrier is the main difference. The black community have no reason to trust LE but they are in most cases natural born citizens without that additional external threat and they speak english (unlike Dulce's mom not saying all or most of the Hispanic community don't of course) so can appeal to the public more effectively.

It could also simply be that Cupcake's case was "easier", hate putting it that way but the perps there if they are guilty weren't exactly the brightest, we have no idea what happened here so maybe it was more careful than Cupcake's situation.

I think you are absolutely right. Add into the mix some judgey vibes going towards Noema about her personal circumstances, and even hints that she knows more etc... The poor young girl must feel so isolated and bewildered. I hope they have an amazing family liaison officer supporting them

 

[Nadal]

I think you are absolutely right. Add into the mix some judgey vibes going towards Noema about her personal circumstances, and even hints that she knows more etc... The poor young girl must feel so isolated and bewildered. I hope they have an amazing family liaison officer supporting them

She's made mistakes, but i'm rooting for her so hard here. Imagine people accusing you because they've got nothing better to do and you not being able to respond in a perfect version of your second language despite none of them being able to talk a word of your first language. Must kill you.

 

[Alleykins]

Is there a national missing children’s group that could get involved and help the family?

There are several.
There's NCMEC who has her poster on their site
Project Jason
Jacob Wetterling Resource Center
to name a few

 

[MJPeony]

I think you are absolutely right. Add into the mix some judgey vibes going towards Noema about her personal circumstances, and even hints that she knows more etc... The poor young girl must feel so isolated and bewildered. I hope they have an amazing family liaison officer supporting them

BBM

I could be wrong, but it doesn’t appear to me that they do. For all practical purposes they seem completely on their own in navigating the whole thing.

MOO.

 

[MimosaMornings]

She's made mistakes, but i'm rooting for her so hard here. Imagine people accusing you because they've got nothing better to do and you not being able to respond in a perfect version of your second language despite none of them being able to talk a word of your first language. Must kill you.

Isn’t the community predominantly Spanish speaking?

 

[WildOrchid]

You mean you believe the family has an idea what happened? I really hope that is true. Unless I’m not following.

I see it differently. They are quiet because they believe they know what happened, and that person(s) aren’t talking.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Nadal]

Isn’t the community predominantly Spanish speaking?

I was talking about her online reception.

 

[jjenny]

Why does it say "no facial hair" when the sketch shows him with a mustache and goatee? Is that not considered facial hair?

Again, the sketch is of a supposed witness, not of the man who supposedly lured Dulce into a red van.

 

[jjenny]

Isn’t the community predominantly Spanish speaking?

Sure is.

 

[jjenny]

Good post. I think the threat of ICE and the language barrier is the main difference. The black community have no reason to trust LE but they are in most cases natural born citizens without that additional external threat and they speak english (unlike Dulce's mom not saying all or most of the Hispanic community don't of course) so can appeal to the public more effectively.

It could also simply be that Cupcake's case was "easier", hate putting it that way but the perps there if they are guilty weren't exactly the brightest, we have no idea what happened here so maybe it was more careful than Cupcake's situation.

I think Cupcake's case was easier. They had video of Cupcake playing and then following a man, they had a witness who apparently gave accurate description of the van. They had person of interest on video at nearby store. Whereas in Dulce's case all the leads seem to have led nowhere. Like I said before, the person who kidnapped Dulce is like a ghost (assuming he exists at all, and it was not some unfortunate accident).

 

[MissMalowe]

There are several.
There's NCMEC who has her poster on their site
Project Jason
Jacob Wetterling Resource Center
to name a few

Texas Equusearch and
The Polly Klaas Foundation are a couple others

 

[Nadal]

I think Cupcake's case was easier. They had video of Cupcake playing and then following a man, they had a witness who apparently gave accurate description of the van. They had person of interest on video at nearby store. Whereas in Dulce's case all the leads seem to have led nowhere. Like I said before, the person who kidnapped Dulce is like a ghost (assuming he exists at all, and it was not some unfortunate accident).

We have no idea how any of the Dulce leads have worked out. We can only guess.

 

[zecats]

We have no idea how any of the Dulce leads have worked out. We can only guess.

I think it's safe to assume they haven't lead to finding Dulce. Or her abductor. JMO

 

[jjenny]

We have no idea how any of the Dulce leads have worked out. We can only guess.

There is no Dulce and there is no suspect, so pretty clear none of the leads worked out. At least so far.

 

[Nadal]

I think it's safe to assume they haven't lead to finding Dulce. Or her abductor. JMO

You are correct (it's not just your opinion, can people stop that, it's fact) but i'm not sure why you'd expect different? Cases take work to solve, it's horrible that the families aren't immediately comforted with answers but it's just not realistic for something like that to happen.

 

[Nadal]

There is no Dulce and there is no suspect, so pretty clear none of the leads worked out. At least so far.

Who said otherwise?