NV - Tesla Cybertruck explosion at Trump hotel in Vegas investigated as a possible terrorist act, 1 Jan 2025

  • #581
These are some things I tend to think about in cases like this. Of course, it is just speculation.

A concerning scenario, IMO, when it comes to ex-military folks (and others with classified, specialized knowledge) is the possibility of them developing Delusional Disorder (DD). (Delusions can also be part of other mental health conditions).

Delusional Disorder is a psychotic disorder in which the person does not have hallucinations, but develops a fixed, persistent belief that is not based in reality. To the person who is experiencing DD, the belief is real and true, and using logic or rationality to get them to change their view will only cause them to distrust that person and entrench deeper into the belief.

With Delusional Disorder, the person can function quite normally - hold a job, have a family, friends, and engage in other regular activities. A person with DD is able to interact normally with others as long as the topic of the delusion doesn't come up. They can engage in conversations about other topics without raising any concerns.

The delusions tend to fall into categories, and one of the most common is persecutory - where a person believes they are being stalked, harassed, conspired against often by a group, system, organization or institution. (more types of delusions here: Delusional Disorder - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf)

For ex-military in particular, these folks may know lots of classified information as well as other information that only people in the military would be privy to. Their knowledge in that area may be completely grounded in truth and fact. They may know information that would be considered concerning to the average person. With a background like this, if one were to develop DD or another condition with delusions, it could be challenging for those around them to grasp what aspects of their fears are based in reality and which are not.

When someone is experiencing Delusional Disorder, their mind creates complex links and patterns that fall apart with objective scrutiny. One way to distinguish a delusional belief system from regular experience is that delusions tend to be connected to the person themselves. Consider the difference here: "I know a lot of classified information and I think the general public needs to know" (normal) vs. "the FBI and CIA are after me because I know all of this classified information". The latter would be how a person with DD thinks.

Delusional Disorder can be a difficult condition to treat. For some, anti-psychotic medications may reduce symptoms. But a person with DD will lack insight into the fact that they need help, and will likely be extremely mistrustful of anyone suggesting or offering help.

As the person continues living with the disorder, they can experience anxiety and disrupted sleep (imagine how you would feel if you were extremely scared - that is what a person with DD feels); they may quit jobs and act out toward loved ones because no one believes them and treats them like they are "crazy". As their life begins to spiral out of control, and they become consumed with the fear and paranoia, they can become quite irritable and this can eventually progress to violence against others as well as suicide.

Its a very tragic mental health disorder because by its nature, the person lacks awareness that their thinking has become deeply skewed. For them, these beliefs are as real as anything else in their lives. Given that a person with DD can function normally, often for years, it is not always easy to identify that they need help. Even if help is available (finding those with the proper skills to treat the condition can be difficult), they are highly prone to rejecting it.

ALL IMO

This case study features a woman who believed the CIA and Homeland Security were following her and provides a good overview of this condition and the challenges of helping people who are suffering from it.
 
  • #582
These are some things I tend to think about in cases like this. Of course, it is just speculation.

A concerning scenario, IMO, when it comes to ex-military folks (and others with classified, specialized knowledge) is the possibility of them developing Delusional Disorder (DD). (Delusions can also be part of other mental health conditions).

Delusional Disorder is a psychotic disorder in which the person does not have hallucinations, but develops a fixed, persistent belief that is not based in reality. To the person who is experiencing DD, the belief is real and true, and using logic or rationality to get them to change their view will only cause them to distrust that person and entrench deeper into the belief.

With Delusional Disorder, the person can function quite normally - hold a job, have a family, friends, and engage in other regular activities. A person with DD is able to interact normally with others as long as the topic of the delusion doesn't come up. They can engage in conversations about other topics without raising any concerns.

The delusions tend to fall into categories, and one of the most common is persecutory - where a person believes they are being stalked, harassed, conspired against often by a group, system, organization or institution. (more types of delusions here: Delusional Disorder - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf)

For ex-military in particular, these folks may know lots of classified information as well as other information that only people in the military would be privy to. Their knowledge in that area may be completely grounded in truth and fact. They may know information that would be considered concerning to the average person. With a background like this, if one were to develop DD or another condition with delusions, it could be challenging for those around them to grasp what aspects of their fears are based in reality and which are not.

When someone is experiencing Delusional Disorder, their mind creates complex links and patterns that fall apart with objective scrutiny. One way to distinguish a delusional belief system from regular experience is that delusions tend to be connected to the person themselves. Consider the difference here: "I know a lot of classified information and I think the general public needs to know" (normal) vs. "the FBI and CIA are after me because I know all of this classified information". The latter would be how a person with DD thinks.

Delusional Disorder can be a difficult condition to treat. For some, anti-psychotic medications may reduce symptoms. But a person with DD will lack insight into the fact that they need help, and will likely be extremely mistrustful of anyone suggesting or offering help.

As the person continues living with the disorder, they can experience anxiety and disrupted sleep (imagine how you would feel if you were extremely scared - that is what a person with DD feels); they may quit jobs and act out toward loved ones because no one believes them and treats them like they are "crazy". As their life begins to spiral out of control, and they become consumed with the fear and paranoia, they can become quite irritable and this can eventually progress to violence against others as well as suicide.

Its a very tragic mental health disorder because by its nature, the person lacks awareness that their thinking has become deeply skewed. For them, these beliefs are as real as anything else in their lives. Given that a person with DD can function normally, often for years, it is not always easy to identify that they need help. Even if help is available (finding those with the proper skills to treat the condition can be difficult), they are highly prone to rejecting it.

ALL IMO

This case study features a woman who believed the CIA and Homeland Security were following her and provides a good overview of this condition and the challenges of helping people who are suffering from it.
he did or believed that he knew highly classified information - he spent time overseas in hostile areas where he could have been captured and tortured (?) to get information from him. he also believed that he had information about past war crimes, potentially putting him in a bad position in the US, so maybe he worked himself into a state where he never felt safe anywhere. IMO
 
  • #583
he did or believed that he knew highly classified information - he spent time overseas in hostile areas where he could have been captured and tortured (?) to get information from him. he also believed that he had information about past war crimes, potentially putting him in a bad position in the US, so maybe he worked himself into a state where he never felt safe anywhere. IMO
But he felt the need to injure and put others in mortal danger in order to make a political statement and influence public opinion.

JMO, that’s a domestic terrorist. The Delusional Disorder sounds very possible. There seems to be a lot of that happening these days. JMO
 
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  • #585

LVMPD said Clark County Sheriff Kevin McMahill will lead the press conference at 1 p.m. Tuesday to discuss additional details on their investigation.
 
  • #586

LVMPD said Clark County Sheriff Kevin McMahill will lead the press conference at 1 p.m. Tuesday to discuss additional details on their investigation.
Assuming that is 4:00 pm EST?

Thanks for the update. Curious about this.
 
  • #587
Link to the presser -
 
  • #588
I got in late and heard something about not being followed. What did I miss about the first part of that statement?
 
  • #589
SS from the presser.

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I'm watching here: Las Vegas police to give new update on Cybertruck explosion investigation
 
  • #590
  • #591
From Press Conf:
-Pours fuel on Tesla at Flamingo and Coval
-Used ChatGPT to assist in event
-Confirmed document sent to Podcaster was sent from ML
-Releasing excerpts of an additional 6 page doc

 
  • #592
I got in late and heard something about not being followed. What did I miss about the first part of that statement?
They have access to what I believe he said was a 6 page "manifesto", which is what the excerpts are from that you shared. They are not releasing it in its entirety because is may have classified information in it. They're determining all of that.
 
  • #593
I got in late and heard something about not being followed. What did I miss about the first part of that statement?

LE was confirming that he was not previously on their radar.

I took it as an indirect way of saying that there was not anyone in any official capacity following him.

My interpretation..
 
  • #594
Wow. He was so paranoid and unhinged. And it's all so clearly a direct result of the role he and the US military played, especially in Afghanistan, imo.

This time that he details as he went about gathering supplies and buying weapons, etc, was an incredibly dangerous time for innocent bystanders who were anywhere near him during any of these "errands". Because he thought (actually, he would say he KNEW) he was being followed, and he suspected "they" knew his intentions or at least knew he was up to something, so he was expecting to be "interdicted" or "neutralized" or stopped somehow at ANY point. And I expect he was armed during all this. So everyone around him on the streets, on the highways, in the stores he stopped at, were all in a very dangerous situation without even knowing it. If he'd have thought some innocent man, for example, was one of "them" and thought he was about to be arrested or shot at or whatever, he could easily have turned on him personally and/or created some deadly situation in a public place with other innocent people at risk, hostage situation, or who knows what! He was obviously feeling desperate and knew he was at the end. Plus he admits he wanted to create a spectacle, go out in some way that would make the news. Very dangerous for all around him.

For example, he says he was followed to the store where he bought tannerite. But he specifically said he was followed to the store, INTO the store, and back home. So he literally thought someone followed him not just on the drive there, but into the store too. Meaning he must have picked out some innocent person who probably came into the store after he did and decided that they were one of the ones following him. That person was at extreme risk from him, imo. He was probably watching him to see if he made any "suspicious" moves, and then anything could have happened. Scary.

He was already at the brink, but imagine how much stress all this added on to him, constantly thinking everywhere he went, being followed and not knowing "if they are going to take me out" (his words) at any minute. Seeing everyone around you as the enemy, watching you, ready to do you harm. He must have been so sick of it. Ready to explode, which he finally made sure he did.
 
  • #595
A review of Livelsberger’s searches through ChatGPT indicate he was looking for information on explosive targets, the speed at which certain rounds of ammunition would travel and whether fireworks were legal in Arizona


 
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  • #597
A review of Livelsberger’s searches through ChatGPT indicate he was looking for information on explosive targets, the speed at which certain rounds of ammunition would travel and whether fireworks were legal in Arizona
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Man Who Exploded Tesla Cybertruck Outside Trump Hotel Used Generative AI, Police Say

Last Vegas police say the U.S. soldier who exploded the Tesla used generative AI including ChatGPT to plan the attack.
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https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5072577-las-vegas-cybertruck-blast-chatgpt/
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Driver used ChatGPT to plan Cybertruck explosion at Trump Hotel in Las Vegas

The man responsible for last week's Cybtruck explosion at Trump International Hotel used ChatGPT to conduct several searches related to guns and explosives in t
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I'd like to know just out of curiosity how he talked to ChatGPT, specifically whether he said please and thank you. I'm kind of being facetious, but not entirely, I really would like to know how he treated it when asking it questions. There's a whole debate about whether it's necessary or helpful to be polite when using ChatGPT or if that could ever even matter with AI. I personally feel like I'm being rude when I don't say things like, great answer, thanks for your help, etc. when I use it. So I'm always pretty polite, and I think it does matter and make a difference in how IT treats YOU.

ETA I watched the video, and I see it does show how he talked to it. IMO, like a servant! No niceties, as would probably be expected, just talked to it like it was the help, which, (sigh) I suppose it is. Doesn't even use punctuation usually! Certainly no thank yous. I'm sorry, I know this is serious, and how he talks to AI is not, but I was curious.
 
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  • #598


IMO, The second sentence feels it could have been inserted into the note at a later time. When I view it from this angle, it feels like a reflection upon the initial act of writing.

Also, IMO:
1. Whatever led him to this point, he seems to place the blame at the feet of his associates. Fill in the blank on who those associates are (career, political, domestic, or international)
2. In his view of reality it is group #1 that has destroyed his home life /personal relationships.

Whomever group #1 is, they are also likely who ML felt was following him. Whether or not it is real to us, it was real to him. So real it resulted in a death and an explosion. Thankfully, no additional lives lost.

The statement regarding the drugs and alcohol is interesting. Red Flag material
 
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  • #599
I thought the media question to LE asking if ChatGPT has capabilities of alerting authorities when users are asking questions like ML was asking. He said he did not think that they had that capability. This is serious loophole that I hope will be addressed by AI across the board. AI is a whole new frontier for us.
 
  • #600
Investigators inspect the burned Tesla Cybertruck after it exploded in front of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas, Jan. 2, 2025. (Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department/Handout via Reuters)

A laptop, cellphone and watch are still under review nearly a week after 37-year-old Matthew Livelsberger fatally shot himself just before the truck blew up.

McMahill said he believes this is the first case on U.S. soil in which ChatGPT/AI helped a suspect build a device, calling it a “concerning moment” and a “game changer.” He added it is also “instructive” for other law enforcement agencies and is releasing information where they can in the case

Among the specifics law enforcement disclosed: Livelsberger stopped during the drive to Las Vegas to pour racing-grade fuel into the Cybertruck, which then dripped the substance. The vehicle was loaded with 60 pounds (27 kilograms) of pyrotechnic material as well as 70 pounds (32 kilograms) of birdshot but officials are still uncertain exactly what detonated the explosion. They said Tuesday it could have been the flash from the firearm that Livelsberger used to fatally shoot himself
 

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