NY - $250m fraud against Former President Donald Trump, Trump Org., Eric, Donald Jr., Sept 2022, Trial 2 Oct 2023, #2

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  • #201
sds71 said:
Very curious. Sitting here & 25 min late on our planned return.Trump atty Habba walked out from chambers, alone. Then, AG’s attorneys head in.Recently, Trump complained about a low-ball settlement offer... Settlement bid afoot?They return. We continue. Who knows

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If this was a settlement offer, it would be the 2nd time for this case.

In Sep 2022 (prior to trial) Letitia James rejected a settlement offer from trump's lawyers.

N.Y. Attorney General May Sue Trump After Rejecting Settlement Offer
 
  • #202
Inthedetails said:
I don't get why Trump would complain about a low-ball offer??? He's the one being sued. What am I missing?

jmo
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Trump made the low ball offer. It was rejected.
 
  • #203
meanmaryjean said:
Trump made the low ball offer. It was rejected.
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Okay, so he was complaining his low-ball offer was rejected. Gotcha. I thought he was complaining the AG offered a low-ball settlement and I thought why wouldn't he like that?! lol
 
  • #204
So wouldn’t the low ball offer be kind of like admitting guilt?
 
  • #205
minusfour said:
is he normally this bad or do you think he is unravelling?
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I think he's always been a shallow and callous dimwit, but I do think he's making more gaffes these days. And while I can hope it's encroaching dementia, I suspect it's at least partly because he's lost his prior entourage of 'handlers' and bodymen who formerly advised him on appearing at least marginally tactful and empathetic.

He may still draw crowds of "supporters" (which I put in quotes because it's clearly become a cult with no connection to reality and they aren't actually endorsers or admirers of Donald the man and any values or political leadership or plans he represents [beyond bigotry, that is] -- they are now "supporting" a fictional cult leader of their own conjuring) but I don't see him having any longer the support of competent advisors, other political leaders or even the R party -- except, of course, that the Rs don't seem to be able to come up with any other feasible candidate either...

MOO IMO JMO
 
  • #206
It's such an incredible situation. A President who refuses to accept defeat, when clearly he was defeated, having the support of the GOP. He has engaged in various criminal behaviours, including some that clearly are not good for America, and he calls for the arrest of the judge and prosecutor, and people argue that his prosecution is mostly political. And he is polling well for the election in a year. There is a surreal nature to this situation
 
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Wednesday, November 15th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 29) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-27 (10/2-11/13/23) reference post #191 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-10
Additional info from 11/13/23 Day 27: Defense witnesses: Donald Trump, Jr. Trump's former external tax lawyer, Sheri Dillon, who returned to the witness stand to clarify her actions related to conservation easements at Trump's properties.
11/14/23 Tuesday, Bench Trial Day 28: Defense witnesses: Steven Witkoff, a New York-based real estate investor & developer to testify about his expert opinion that the Trump National Doral golf course in Miami was undervalued in Trump's financial statement, despite the attorney general's claim to the contrary. Accountant Jason Flemmons. Flemmons scheduled to continue his testimony tomorrow.
For more info see post #207 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-11
Bench Trial continues on Wednesday, 11/15/23.
 
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Thursday, November 16th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 30) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-28 (10/2-11/14/23) reference post #208 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-11
11/15/23 Update: Trump & his co-defendants have filed a motion seeking a mistrial on the grounds that the trial has been "tainted" by the appearance of bias on the part of Judge Arthur Engoron & his law. Defendant's Memorandum of Law in Suppot of Motion for a Mistrial. Link:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24168455-trump-mistrial-motion
Judge Arthur Engoron did not issue a ruling on the defense's motion for a mistrial in court, opting to give the NY AG time to determine if the state wants to respond to the request. "I would ask if we could have until tomorrow to determine if we want to put in anything," state attorney Kevin Wallace said after Engoron's asked if the state plans to file a response.
11/15/23 Wednesday, Bench Trial Day 29: Defense witnesses: Accounting expert Jason Flemmons back on stand & will continue on cross tomorrow.
For more info see post #210 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-11
Bench Trial continues on Thursday, 11/16/23.
 
  • #212
There is no "urgency" to respond to former President Donald Trump's motion for a mistrial in his civil fraud case because of its "total lack of merit," New York Attorney General Letitia James' office wrote on Thursday morning.

In a two-page letter, the attorney general's senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace said that "putting aside the total lack of merit to [Trump and his co-defendants'] application for a mistrial – it is preferable to have the Court hear and decide the application on full briefing" in the interest of "judicial economy."

The state wants Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron to set a deadline for their response on Dec. 8, "given the demonstrable lack of urgency, the impending Thanksgiving holiday, and the fact that the ongoing trial."



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Trump's Mistrial Motion Has 'Total Lack of Merit' and There's No 'Urgency' to Respond, New York AG Says

New York Attorney General Letitia James requested a reply deadline of Dec. 8, given the "demonstrable lack of urgency."
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A New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday that had barred Donald Trump and his attorneys from swiping at the principal law clerk of the judge presiding over the former president's civil fraud trial, according to Law360.



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Trump's Gag Order Barring Attacks on Judge's Clerk Paused by New York Appellate Court

For now, the appellate court ruling allows Trump to keep attacking the judge's clerk in his civil fraud case
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  • #214
sds71 said:
A New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday that had barred Donald Trump and his attorneys from swiping at the principal law clerk of the judge presiding over the former president's civil fraud trial, according to Law360.



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Trump's Gag Order Barring Attacks on Judge's Clerk Paused by New York Appellate Court

For now, the appellate court ruling allows Trump to keep attacking the judge's clerk in his civil fraud case
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so the bullying can continue - for now - until a decision is rendered. Good gravy, ready yourselves for the poo storm of tweets.
 
  • #215
sds71 said:
A New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday that had barred Donald Trump and his attorneys from swiping at the principal law clerk of the judge presiding over the former president's civil fraud trial, according to Law360.



themessenger.com

Trump's Gag Order Barring Attacks on Judge's Clerk Paused by New York Appellate Court

For now, the appellate court ruling allows Trump to keep attacking the judge's clerk in his civil fraud case
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Not that I ever expect him to act with decency, but he WANTS to disparage the law clerk and is fighting to do so?? He knows no low too low.

But, in practical terms for the defense, any chance to file an appeal is a chance for delay I suppose. If it makes the defendant look like a brute in the process, well, all the better they seem to like it.

jmo
 
  • #216
Just hours after a gag order preventing former President Trump from trashing Judge Engoron’s law clerk was essentially lifted by an appeals court in New York, former President Trump trashes Judge Engoron’s law clerk.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1725302330440978597
 
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Friday, November 17th:
*Bench Trial continues (Day 31) (@ 10am ET) – NY - New York vs. Donald J. Trump (76/now 77), Donald Trump, Jr. (45) & Eric Trump (38/now 39) & the Trump Organization, Inc. (Allen Weisselberg (75/now 76) & Jeffrey McConney) are being sued by Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, who is leading a civil investigation (which cannot result in criminal charges filed on 9/21/22) & has spent years looking at whether the company committed various acts of fraud over several decades. In the civil case, Ms. James has filed a lawsuit against Trump & two of his children accusing them of "astounding" fraud & deception.
New York is seeking $250 million in financial penalties & asked the court to ban Trump, Donald Trump Jr. & Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director in any corporation registered or licensed in New York. James also requested the court ban the former president & his business from acquiring real estate in New York or from applying for loans from any New York financial institution for five years. James's civil case accuses Trump of lying from 2011 to 2021 about asset values at the Trump Organization, as well as his own net worth, in order to obtain better terms from lenders & insurers.
Lawsuit against: Donald John Trump, Donald Trump, Jr, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, The Trump Organization, Inc., Trump Organization LLC, DJT Holdings LLC, DJT Holinds Managing Memer, Trump Endeavor 12 LLC, 401 North Wabash Venture LLC, Trump Old Post of Fice LLC, 40 Wall Street LLC & Seven Springs LLC.
All charges against Ivanka Trump were dismissed in June, 2023.
Bench Trial began on 10/2/23. Prosecutors rested their case on 11/8/23. Defense began their case on 11/13/23. (could last until 12/22/23 per Judge).
The lawsuit’s remaining 6 counts allege similar acts of fraud (that Trump inflated his assets on statements of financial condition that he submitted to banks & insurers for personal gain).
Judge Arthur F. Engoron presiding / NY State Attorney General Leticia James & senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace, Defense attorney Christopher Kise & Jesus Suarez & Alina Habba for Trump, Weisselberg & the rest of the defendants for Trump Org. / Clifford Robert of Robert & Robert PLLC for Donald, Jr. & Eric.
Case & court info & Summary Judgement from 9/21/22 thru 9/28/23 & Bench Trial Day 1-29 (10/2-11/15/23) reference post #211 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-11
11/16/23 Update: There is no "urgency" to respond to Trump's motion for a mistrial in his civil fraud case because of its "total lack of merit," NY AG Letitia James' office wrote on Thursday morning. In a two-page letter, the attorney general's senior enforcement counsel Kevin Wallace said that "putting aside the total lack of merit to [Trump & his co-defendants'] application for a mistrial – it is preferable to have the Court hear & decide the application on full briefing" in the interest of "judicial economy." The state wants Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron to set a deadline for their response on 12/8/23, "given the demonstrable lack of urgency, the impending Thanksgiving holiday, and the fact that the ongoing trial."
11/16/23 Update: Attorneys for Trump have filed an emergency application for a stay of the limited gag order issued by last month Judge Engoron, asking that an appeals court annul & vacate the gag order and fines imposed against him. A New York appellate court temporarily paused gag orders on Thursday that had barred Trump & his attorneys from swiping at the principal law clerk of the judge presiding over Trump's civil fraud trial. Judge David Friedman of the appellate division's first department ruled from the bench after a brief oral argument. NY AG Letitia James & representatives for Judge Arthur Engoron have until Wednesday, 11/22/23 to file a response to the appellate judge's stay of the limited gag order imposed last month on Trump by Engoron, according to the appellate judge's order. Trump's reply is then due on 11/27/23 before the appellate court decides whether to fully lift the gag order. The civil fraud trial is expected to wrap up in mid-December. Just hours after a gag order preventing Trump from trashing Judge Engoron’s law clerk was essentially lifted by an appeals court in New York, Trump trashes Judge Engoron’s law clerk.
11/16/23 Thursday, Bench Trial Day 30: Defense witnesses: Accounting expert Jason Flemmons back on stand for cross exam. Steven Collins, an expert in contract procurement. Real estate expert Steven Laposa. Court will resume with Laposa back on the stand Friday.
For more info see post #217 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...r-sept-2022-trial-2-oct-2023-2.695170/page-11
Bench Trial continues on Friday, 11/17/23.
 
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The cross examination of the defense's real estate expert, which was expected to last at least two hours, ended abruptly after he appeared to contradict his own findings in the expert report he had compiled.

Steven Laposa testified yesterday that he believed the attorney general's report was "flawed" because it was based on the market value of Trump's assets, rather than their investment value, which could be much higher.

Minutes into his cross-examination, state attorney Louis Solomon requested that Laposa read the second sentence of the notes section of Donald Trump's statement of financial condition.

"Assets are stated at their estimated current values," the note said, referring to the properties' market value.

"First time I've seen this," Laposa responded after reading the note, which supported the attorney general's contention that the valuations were indeed based on market values.

"You wrote a report accusing the attorney general of bias" by using market values, Solomon lectured Laposa, prompting a sustained objection from the defense.

Solomon's cross-examination of Laposa concluded after the exchange.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/trump-fraud-trial/defense-expert-appears-to-contradict-his-own-findings-104981559?id=103642561
 
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