GUILTY NY - Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein confidante, arrested on Sex Abuse charges, Jul 2020 #4

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Published in today's UK The Telegraph, which is behind a paywall

Interesting point of law regarding filing an action when Giuffre lives in Perth and Prince Andrew lives in the UK. I wonder how Giuffre is going to justify living in Colorado?

"The Duke’s lawyers filed a motion on Tuesday to challenge the jurisdiction of the New York court, arguing that “recently discovered evidence” had come to light that cast doubt on Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s claim to be a resident of Colorado.

Their motion states that rather, she lives with her husband and three children in Perth, Australia, and therefore her complaint is invalid.
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Federal court rules do not allow both parties to an action to be foreign citizens.

The Duke’s legal team, led by Los Angeles-based lawyer Andrew Brettler, has asked Lewis Kaplan, the judge, to halt proceedings while they investigate Ms Giuffre’s residency status
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The motion argued that Ms Giuffre has lived in Australia for all but two of the past 19 years.
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The motion claimed that Ms Giuffre only recently registered to vote in Colorado, using her mother and stepfather’s mailing address."
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/12/28/prince-andrew-challenges-accusers-residency-status-bid-have/

 

[BUF]

Marta Dhanis
@MartaDhanis

2:16pm and the jury has been eerily quiet all day

 

[Chelly]

One of our big three cable tv news stations is reporting on the trial again, as it has several times throughout the day, so far. MSN has a reporter , Ron Allen, stationed outside courtroom. One of the legal experts, Wendy Allen, is opining that jury will not "full-out-accquit" GM or it will have happened by now.

 

[Chelly]

Marta Dhanis
@MartaDhanis

2:16pm and the jury has been eerily quiet all day

Right, and they aren't asking for anything.

 

[Chelly]

Interesting point of law regarding filing an action when Giuffre lives in Perth and Prince Andrew lives in the UK. I wonder how Giuffre is going to justify living in Colorado?

"The Duke’s lawyers filed a motion on Tuesday to challenge the jurisdiction of the New York court, arguing that “recently discovered evidence” had come to light that cast doubt on Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s claim to be a resident of Colorado.

Their motion states that rather, she lives with her husband and three children in Perth, Australia, and therefore her complaint is invalid.
...

Federal court rules do not allow both parties to an action to be foreign citizens.

The Duke’s legal team, led by Los Angeles-based lawyer Andrew Brettler, has asked Lewis Kaplan, the judge, to halt proceedings while they investigate Ms Giuffre’s residency status
...

The motion argued that Ms Giuffre has lived in Australia for all but two of the past 19 years.
...

The motion claimed that Ms Giuffre only recently registered to vote in Colorado, using her mother and stepfather’s mailing address."
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/12/28/prince-andrew-challenges-accusers-residency-status-bid-have/

Judge Kaplan is due to hear arguments on the Duke’s first motion to dismiss the case on January 4.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

Is there a separate thread for the Prince Andrew case?

 

[otto]

Judge Kaplan is due to hear arguments on the Duke’s first motion to dismiss the case on January 4.

The jurisdiction argument seems like a very strong argument to disallow the action to be held in New York. In fact, it looks like Giuffre is well aware of this requirement and has attempted to give the illusion that she lives in Colorado with her mother and stepfather while her husband and children live in Perth. Given that the facts of her argument have changed many times, it's not reasonable to once again accept that she has misremembered - in this case misremembering where she lives, works and raises her children.

 

[Kristin Esq.]

I wonder when and where all of this was filed and why we are learning of it now?

My quick google research says it's filed in NY.

 

[UK Girl]

The jurisdiction argument seems like a very strong argument to disallow the action to be held in New York. In fact, it looks like Giuffre is well aware of this requirement and has attempted to give the illusion that she lives in Colorado with her mother and stepfather while her husband and children live in Perth. Given that the facts of her argument have changed many times, it's not reasonable to once again accept that she has misremembered - in this case misremembering where she lives, works and raises her children.

You can understand why the Prosecution didnt call her tbh

 

[sds71]

Is there a separate thread for the Prince Andrew case?

UK's Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship

 

[StasiaUK]

When you add the time up and see 24 hours, it's really not a lot of time for such a big case.

I agree, I’m just eager to see the outcome. Forgive my impatience

 

[StasiaUK]

So how many times have you all refreshed Twitter hoping for some news?

I’ve lost count!

 

[Chelly]

I agree, I’m just eager to see the outcome. Forgive my impatience

No problem @StasiaUK . We freely state our opinions. Opinions always accepted. Speaking for myself, I am worried.

 

[otto]

If I were on the jury, I would not appreciate being asked by the judge to work extra long days. Concentrating for 7-8 hours a day is work, and extending that to 9 hours can mean fatigue and less cooperation. In some ways, the Judge politely asking/telling the jury to work longer hours seems like interfering with the process. It is in the hands of the jury and the Judge should stay out of the process that they use to arrive at a decision.

Also, regarding the 14 year old who met Giuffre through her boyfriend's friend, jurors might be struggling with connecting her to Maxwell. Maxwell did not recruit her. Her 17 year old boyfriend delivered her to a pedophile for 4 years, knowing full well what was going on, and had no problem using the money she received for drugs. I'm guessing that Epstein decided whether the 14 year old traveled with him. It's murky, in my opinion.

 

[UK Girl]

One question I have is do you think the Prosecution did a good job of this case? for some reason I thought it would take far longer actually giving evidence than they did actually did given all the evidence they supposedly have against her.

 

[shotgun09]

No problem @StasiaUK . We freely state our opinions. Opinions always accepted. Speaking for myself, I am worried.

I can appreciate your worry, and add my opinion of somewhat 'jaded' . IMO, the protected 'class of the perpetually redacted' leaves too many questions left to achieve true justice.

My friends from Pink Floyd said it best:
"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?"

 

[otto]

One question I have is do you think the Prosecution did a good job of this case? for some reason I thought it would take far longer actually giving evidence than they did actually did given all the evidence they supposedly have against her.

I think it was a question of avoiding landmines. Giuffre is the obvious witness to confirm what went on with recruiting teens for Epstein, yet she is absent from the proceedings. The list of men that she has accused of sexually abusing her is bizarre, and her recollection of whether she was 15 or 17 years old when she met Epstein is problematic. Witnesses who have changed their story, depending on whether they are speaking to FBI, to lawyers for compensation, or to investigators for criminal proceedings - as we heard during trial. The prosecution must have presented the best witnesses they had, and any additional witnesses would have given the defence an opportunity to discredit them, and, by extension, to discredit all witnesses.

Even the comment "frozen in fear" quoted by 3 of the witnesses is problematic - in my opinion. It sounds like they talked with each other, or that phrase was suggested to them. There are many ways to state that someone was very scared, so it's unusual that they all used the exact same phrase.

 

[BUF]

Marta Dhanis
@MartaDhanis

Update: no update! This still stands. No notes today (so far). 7+ uninterrupted hours of deliberations #GhislaineMaxwellTrial

 

[otto]

The judge is pushing the jury into working longer hours. The judge also offered to let them deliberate on days when the court was closed, they declined. I don't agree with the Judge pushing the jury to work according to her wishes rather than standard jury guidelines.

"Judge Alison Nathan said that it was time to consider asking the jury to 'deliberate until a verdict is reached' but did not specify exactly what she meant, saying she would discuss it later.

According to Judge Nathan, none of the six men and six women on the jury panel had objected to sitting an hour extra each day to deliberate - a 'request' she made on Monday -meaning they finish at 6pm instead of 5pm.
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Ghislaine Maxwell jurors as they begin their fifth day of deliberations | Daily Mail Online

 

[sds71]

There s a note from the jury!

They want to adjourn at 5 p.m. and come in at 9 a.m.