NY - Jordan Neely, killed by chokehold in subway during mental health crisis, Manhattan, 1 May 2023 *arrest* #2

[MyBelle]

Have all of the witness statements been released to the public?

No. I'm betting all the witnesses have been asked to remain silent until they testify before a grand jury.

JMO

 

[shotgun09]

No. I'm betting all the witnesses have been asked to remain silent until they testify before a grand jury.

JMO

And that would include the two additional men who helped with restraining Mr Neely, I am pretty sure. I would think they would have much to say about why they chose to assist Daniel Penny, and what exactly was Neely doing prior to them acting.

But here we are..

 

[Lilibet]

Linked below is a timeline of the MTA reporting. NYPD says there were multiple 911 calls, so the calls were getting through.

Jordan Neely's death prompts calls for justice, change; "How can we start saving those that are literally crying for help?"

Calls continue for the arrest of a Marine veteran who put the 30-year-old in a chokehold on the subway.

www.cbsnews.com

New information from sources reveal on Monday afternoon police received five 911 calls reporting a person on an F train, including making threats, an assault underway, and a person with a possible knife or gun. No weapons were found.

Another link below these posts:

Several other people were there. How do you know they didn't call 911? Penny stepped in because LE weren't there and JN's threats and actions were perceived as threatening and violent by those who were there.

JMO

Need 12 to convict. 1 of 12 thinks the ex-Marine‘s best move wasn’t a phone call, and Penny walks. P.s. cellular calls don’t go through in that area of the tunnels. They do in some parts of the NYC subway system, but they don’t in the metal cars at Broadway-Lafayette or in Bleecker or between. Which, as you can imagine, adds to the fear people feel. Waiting for the response that he should’ve done a web-enabled call with Zoom, while that elderly lady prayed.

MTA chairman urges New Yorkers to 'deescalate' on subway

Lieber shared his first comments on Neely's death.

www.ny1.com

According to the NYPD, there were multiple 911 calls.

NY1 also has details on how police were notified by the crew on the train where Neely was choked.

2:25 p.m. - The train operator on that F train called into the MTA’s Rail Control Center to report that there was an unruly passenger being subdued by other passengers. NYPD assistance was requested. This report included an uncorroborated detail that Neely was armed. Neely was not armed.

2:27 p.m. - The Rail Control Center notified police and other MTA personnel.

2:36 p.m. - The train operator reports the NYPD is on scene waiting for EMS and is attempting to revive Neely.

2:47 p.m. - NYPD declares the train car a crime scene.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

BBM. Sorry, but I don't believe the other passengers remained in total silence while this unfolded. On the amateur video I saw, multiple voices can be heard. Plus, a witness did speak to the news media.

JMO

Witness to Jordan Neely chokehold death calls Daniel Penny a ‘hero’ and offers to testify on his behalf

“The rhetoric from Mr. Neely was very frightening, it was very harsh,” the witness told The Post.

nypost.com

The witness told The Post that Neely, 30, went on an explosive tirade just before his caught-on-camera death, telling people he was willing to “kill a motherf—er” and “[take] a bullet” and go to jail.

Neely’s erratic behavior put commuters on the F train subway car on edge as they hurtled between stations in Manhattan, the witness said.

“The rhetoric from Mr. Neely was very frightening, it was very harsh,” the witness told The Post.

That article doesn't say she voiced her concerns out loud at all.

I didn't say nobody was scared or didn't feel threatened.

The only voices I heard in the released video were people concerned Penny was going to kill Neely with his badly performed chokehold.

 

[Lilibet]

Clearly there will be a dispatch record, as to when calls were received. I am also reverting back to my CPR training, and acknowledge that often times someone may direct another to call 911. That may or may not have happened here. A timeline would help.

General timeline posted above.

 

[MyBelle]

And that would include the two additional men who helped with restraining Mr Neely, I am pretty sure. I would think they would have much to say about why they chose to assist Daniel Penny, and what exactly was Neely doing prior to them acting.

But here we are..

Indeed. And we have yet to see a grand jury indictment.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Have all of the witness statements been released to the public?

No, not as far as I am aware, but considering it's been fair game here to comment on Neely's actions based solely on anything reported in MSM, not to mention any of his past crimes, even though they aren't relevant to that moment, on that train, I based my opinion on that information also, or are we only allowed to do that when condemning the actual victim?.

 

[caradana]

Linked below is a timeline of the MTA reporting. NYPD says there were multiple 911 calls, so the calls were getting through.

Jordan Neely's death prompts calls for justice, change; "How can we start saving those that are literally crying for help?"

Calls continue for the arrest of a Marine veteran who put the 30-year-old in a chokehold on the subway.

www.cbsnews.com

New information from sources reveal on Monday afternoon police received five 911 calls reporting a person on an F train, including making threats, an assault underway, and a person with a possible knife or gun. No weapons were found.

Another link below these posts:

MTA chairman urges New Yorkers to 'deescalate' on subway

Lieber shared his first comments on Neely's death.

www.ny1.com

According to the NYPD, there were multiple 911 calls.

NY1 also has details on how police were notified by the crew on the train where Neely was choked.

2:25 p.m. - The train operator on that F train called into the MTA’s Rail Control Center to report that there was an unruly passenger being subdued by other passengers. NYPD assistance was requested. This report included an uncorroborated detail that Neely was armed. Neely was not armed.

2:27 p.m. - The Rail Control Center notified police and other MTA personnel.

2:36 p.m. - The train operator reports the NYPD is on scene waiting for EMS and is attempting to revive Neely.

2:47 p.m. - NYPD declares the train car a crime scene.

Reiterating, different sections of the tunnels have different connectivity, as explained earlier. This was a train in motion. Of note here in the NY1 recap you posted (which is excellent) is that NYPD had beaten EMS to the scene at least nine, arguably eleven minutes after the operator reported an issue. People have this strange belief that EMS can like teleport to scenes. Police were already in that station (mayor had dedicated another $20 million in police presence to subway stations for this fiscal year, before this incident, and there’s still a massive surge in violence by mentally ill homeless) and they still needed nine minutes to collect and report on platform.

 

[kittythehare]

Linked below is a timeline of the MTA reporting. NYPD says there were multiple 911 calls, so the calls were getting through.

Jordan Neely's death prompts calls for justice, change; "How can we start saving those that are literally crying for help?"

Calls continue for the arrest of a Marine veteran who put the 30-year-old in a chokehold on the subway.

www.cbsnews.com

New information from sources reveal on Monday afternoon police received five 911 calls reporting a person on an F train, including making threats, an assault underway, and a person with a possible knife or gun. No weapons were found.

Another link below these posts:

MTA chairman urges New Yorkers to 'deescalate' on subway

Lieber shared his first comments on Neely's death.

www.ny1.com

According to the NYPD, there were multiple 911 calls.

NY1 also has details on how police were notified by the crew on the train where Neely was choked.

2:25 p.m. - The train operator on that F train called into the MTA’s Rail Control Center to report that there was an unruly passenger being subdued by other passengers. NYPD assistance was requested. This report included an uncorroborated detail that Neely was armed. Neely was not armed.

2:27 p.m. - The Rail Control Center notified police and other MTA personnel.

2:36 p.m. - The train operator reports the NYPD is on scene waiting for EMS and is attempting to revive Neely.

2:47 p.m. - NYPD declares the train car a crime scene.

Wow!
Where did the armed report originate, I wonder?
That could be interesting.. if info becomes public.
That's the kind of report that gets victims killed.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

No. I'm betting all the witnesses have been asked to remain silent until they testify before a grand jury.

JMO

Thanks, that's what I thought.

I think it's best to wait for that information to come out before making claims about what all of the witness's said or didn't say.

We just don't have all of the facts on this case yet.

 

[Lilibet]

And once again, he could have chosen a non-lethal method of restraint until LE arrived. He chose a chokehold, which many police aren't allowed to use anymore. He was trained that it's dangerous.

And once again…I do not understand why there is such a failure to acknowledge that Penny had non-lethal options that he CHOSE not to use. Why is a chokehold being held out as his only option when NO ONE knows about the lead-up to the chokehold? It seems that some believe that the VERY FACT that Penny used a chokehold is evidence that he had no other option. Why?

 

[MyBelle]

Reiterating, different sections of the tunnels have different connectivity, as explained earlier. This was a train in motion. Of note here in the NY1 recap you posted (which is excellent) is that NYPD had beaten EMS to the scene at least nine, arguably eleven minutes after the operator reported an issue. People have this strange belief that EMS can like teleport to scenes. Police were already in that station (mayor had dedicated another $20 million in police presence to subway stations for this fiscal year, before this incident, and there’s still a massive surge in violence by mentally ill homeless) and they still needed nine minutes to collect and report on platform.

BBM. Many people have no concept of the volume of traffic in Manhattan. The amount of time that elapsed before EMS was able to get there doesn't surprise me.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Wow!
Where did the armed report originate, I wonder?
That could be interesting.. if info becomes public.
That's the kind of report that gets victims killed.

Perhaps JN claimed to be armed when he was ranting.

JMO

 

[elevatorific]

Perhaps JN claimed to be armed when he was ranting.

JMO

Even the most charitable witness account, and Penny's own account, do not allege that. So probably not.
IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

And once again…I do not understand why there is such a failure to acknowledge that Penny had non-lethal options that he CHOSE not to use. Why is a chokehold being held out as his only option when NO ONE knows about the lead-up to the chokehold? It seems that some believe that the VERY FACT that Penny used a chokehold is evidence that he had no other option. Why?

BBM. I'm confident all the witnesses know about what preceded the chokehold.

JMO

 

[Lilibet]

Waiting for the response that he should’ve done a web-enabled call with Zoom, while that elderly lady prayed.

No one here would say that because NYPD said that five 911 calls got through, even in this difficult area
JMO

 

[Lilibet]

BBM. I'm confident all the witnesses know about what preceded the chokehold.

JMO

I’m sure you could tell from my post that I’m talking about ones who seem to believe that Penny had no other option than a chokehold. “NO ONE” obviously refers to them. I did not mention witnesses in this context.

JMO

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Waiting for the response that he should’ve done a web-enabled call with Zoom, while that elderly lady prayed.

Not at all. What he should have done is not put a man in a dangerous chokehold.

 

[10ofRods]

The journalist who filmed Neely's death himself said that the chokehold lasted 15 minutes

Which journalist? I know of only one man who filmed it, and his video shows a little over 3 minutes. He's not an actual journalist.

Which journalist was actually in that train car when it started? I really want to know. TIA!

(The guy whose video is most often linked here is not a journalist, that's why I'm so curious - has it been posted here before?)

 

[kittythehare]

Which journalist? I know of only one man who filmed it, and his video shows a little over 3 minutes. He's not an actual journalist.

Which journalist was actually in that train car when it started? I really want to know. TIA!

(The guy whose video is most often linked here is not a journalist, that's why I'm so curious - has it been posted here before?)

He calls himself a journalist but he has given different time spans in every interview.
He just filmed approx 4 minutes but he stated it was ongoing for a while before he started filming.
good link here detailing some of the reasons everybody is so fired up

How The Media Made A Villain Out Of Jordan Neely

Anonymous police sources quickly set the narrative after Daniel Penny put Neely in a deadly chokehold on the subway.

www.huffpost.com