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Agree with your opinion one hundred percent. So sorry about your sexual assaults. I too am thankful to Penny.
NOTGUILTY Daniel Penny on Trial for manslaughter and negligent homicide of Jordan Neely #4
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This comment is not fair at all. No one has become a target and I know of no one with autism who is scared because of this verdict. I have a nephew with autism and he is one of the sweetest people I know. The jury got it right......and I for one am thankful that someone stood up to protect innocent lives.
My goodness. Why aren’t they arresting the people making actual death threats towards DP? This is inside the actual courtroom? Outrageous.
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I doubt Penny is about to become rich. This trial has cost him. The fundraisers will help but that has to all play out. He is facing what will be an expensive civil trial. depending on how assistance is presented to him he may have income taxes on funds he can't realize. If he were to write a book (ghost written) he gets a small percentage of it, and again has taxes to pay. I am sure that he wishes that all things equal, that Mr. Neely and he had never met that day.
This is not a major blow for anyone. No one expected the Prosecution to prevail.
Did anyone really expect that a homeless, anguished, dirty, hungry, thirsty guy was going to prevail against fancy lawyer funded Danny who is a Marine looking out for the ladies?
I, for one, expected nothing less than a full acquittal.
Just because Bragg had a big cry baby in the bath water in the past doesn’t mean the bath water has to be thrown out.
There was a Ponzi scheme originating out of NYC that devastated individuals and businesses in our area that Bragg brought to rights so look into it before condemning the law and those who are assigned to enforce it.
Just another day for mentally ill homeless advocates we will be out there with them just like before this case.
Nothing has changed. Nothing is better.
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Let's be clear -- Mr. Neely had more help than most.
He also had friends and social teams who looked after him for years (Top 50 list of NYC).
More recently, only weeks before his outburst and threats to kill others on the train in May 2023, he'd been given another opportunity in Court on Feb 9, 2023 when he pled guilty to assaulting a woman who received serious facial injuries by Neely and instead of going to jail for his repeat offender crime, Neely was allowed to enter Harbor House for safe shelter and medical treatment.
And what happened to this offer generous offer reserved for Neely? He walked out after only 13 days. Went back to using drugs with unpredictable effects, and threatening others again on the train!
No, "the system" did not fail 30 year old Neely! Neely failed Neely. He broke his promise to the Court, and the people. MOO
www.nytimes.com
5/7/23
“Daniel never intended to harm Mr. Neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death.”
It was a Monday afternoon and a 30-year-old man was ranting on an F train headed through Manhattan. He was a regular on the subway, once a gifted Michael Jackson impersonator, but he was also troubled. City workers had tried to help him for years.
[..]
But Mr. Neely had others watching him, concerned for his safety.
He was well known for years to the social work teams that reach out to homeless people on the subways, and had hundreds of encounters with them, according to an employee of the Bowery Residents’ Committee, a nonprofit organization that does subway outreach for the city.
Mr. Neely was on what outreach workers refer to as the “Top 50” list — a roster maintained by the city of the homeless people living on the street whom officials consider most urgently in need of assistance and treatment. He was taken to hospitals numerous times, both voluntarily and involuntarily, said the employee, who spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss his history.
Mr. Neely racked up more than three dozen arrests. Many were of the sort that people living on the street often accrue while homeless, like turnstile-jumping or trespassing. But at least four were on charges of punching people, two of them in the subway system.
Outreach workers noted that Mr. Neely heavily used K2, the powerful, unpredictable synthetic marijuana.
In June 2019, an outreach worker noticed that Mr. Neely had lost considerable weight and was sleeping upright. Around that time, he was reported to have banged on a booth agent’s door and threatened to kill her, according to the worker’s notes. Then he was gone.
At some point, Mr. Neely became a client of an Intensive Mobile Treatment team — one of the squads of mental health clinicians who minister to people in streets and shelters. In March 2020, the team had Mr. Neely taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he was kept for a week, according to homeless-outreach records. It was not clear what contact the team had with him after that.
[..]
In November 2021, Mr. Neely’s aggression seemed to peak, when he punched a 67-year-old woman in the street on the Lower East Side, the police said. The woman suffered severe facial injuries, including a broken nose, according to court documents. He was charged with assault and, awaiting the resolution of his case, spent 15 months in jail, the police said, though his family said the stint was shorter.
He pleaded guilty on Feb. 9 of this year, in a carefully planned strategy between the city and his lawyers to allow him to get treatment and stay out of prison.
“Do you know what the goal is today?” the judge, Ellen M. Biben, asked at the hearing.
“Yes,” Mr. Neely replied.
“What is that goal?”
“To make it physically and mentally to the program.”
He was to go from court to live at a treatment facility in the Bronx, and stay clean for 15 months. In return, his felony conviction would be reduced. He promised to take his medication and to avoid drugs, and not to leave the facility without permission.
“This is a wonderful opportunity to turn things around, and we’re glad to give it to you,” Mary Weisgerber, a prosecutor, said.
“Thank you so much,” Mr. Neely replied.
But just 13 days later, he abandoned the facility. Judge Biben issued a warrant for his arrest.
He also had friends and social teams who looked after him for years (Top 50 list of NYC).
More recently, only weeks before his outburst and threats to kill others on the train in May 2023, he'd been given another opportunity in Court on Feb 9, 2023 when he pled guilty to assaulting a woman who received serious facial injuries by Neely and instead of going to jail for his repeat offender crime, Neely was allowed to enter Harbor House for safe shelter and medical treatment.
And what happened to this offer generous offer reserved for Neely? He walked out after only 13 days. Went back to using drugs with unpredictable effects, and threatening others again on the train!
No, "the system" did not fail 30 year old Neely! Neely failed Neely. He broke his promise to the Court, and the people. MOO
How Two Men’s Disparate Paths Crossed in a Killing on the F Train (Published 2023)
Jordan Neely’s mental health decline played out in public after his mother was strangled. Daniel Penny said he was protecting himself and others when he choked Mr. Neely.
5/7/23
“Daniel never intended to harm Mr. Neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death.”
It was a Monday afternoon and a 30-year-old man was ranting on an F train headed through Manhattan. He was a regular on the subway, once a gifted Michael Jackson impersonator, but he was also troubled. City workers had tried to help him for years.
[..]
But Mr. Neely had others watching him, concerned for his safety.
He was well known for years to the social work teams that reach out to homeless people on the subways, and had hundreds of encounters with them, according to an employee of the Bowery Residents’ Committee, a nonprofit organization that does subway outreach for the city.
Mr. Neely was on what outreach workers refer to as the “Top 50” list — a roster maintained by the city of the homeless people living on the street whom officials consider most urgently in need of assistance and treatment. He was taken to hospitals numerous times, both voluntarily and involuntarily, said the employee, who spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss his history.
Mr. Neely racked up more than three dozen arrests. Many were of the sort that people living on the street often accrue while homeless, like turnstile-jumping or trespassing. But at least four were on charges of punching people, two of them in the subway system.
Outreach workers noted that Mr. Neely heavily used K2, the powerful, unpredictable synthetic marijuana.
In June 2019, an outreach worker noticed that Mr. Neely had lost considerable weight and was sleeping upright. Around that time, he was reported to have banged on a booth agent’s door and threatened to kill her, according to the worker’s notes. Then he was gone.
At some point, Mr. Neely became a client of an Intensive Mobile Treatment team — one of the squads of mental health clinicians who minister to people in streets and shelters. In March 2020, the team had Mr. Neely taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he was kept for a week, according to homeless-outreach records. It was not clear what contact the team had with him after that.
[..]
In November 2021, Mr. Neely’s aggression seemed to peak, when he punched a 67-year-old woman in the street on the Lower East Side, the police said. The woman suffered severe facial injuries, including a broken nose, according to court documents. He was charged with assault and, awaiting the resolution of his case, spent 15 months in jail, the police said, though his family said the stint was shorter.
He pleaded guilty on Feb. 9 of this year, in a carefully planned strategy between the city and his lawyers to allow him to get treatment and stay out of prison.
“Do you know what the goal is today?” the judge, Ellen M. Biben, asked at the hearing.
“Yes,” Mr. Neely replied.
“What is that goal?”
“To make it physically and mentally to the program.”
He was to go from court to live at a treatment facility in the Bronx, and stay clean for 15 months. In return, his felony conviction would be reduced. He promised to take his medication and to avoid drugs, and not to leave the facility without permission.
“This is a wonderful opportunity to turn things around, and we’re glad to give it to you,” Mary Weisgerber, a prosecutor, said.
“Thank you so much,” Mr. Neely replied.
But just 13 days later, he abandoned the facility. Judge Biben issued a warrant for his arrest.
Let's be clear -- Mr. Neely had more help than most.
He also had friends and social teams who looked after him for years (Top 50 list of NYC).
More recently, only weeks before his outburst and threats to kill others on the train in May 2023, he'd been given another opportunity in Court on Feb 9, 2023 when he pled guilty to assaulting a woman who received serious facial injuries by Neely and instead of going to jail for his repeat offender crime, Neely was allowed to enter Harbor House for safe shelter and medical treatment.
And what happened to this offer generous offer reserved for Neely? He walked out after only 13 days. Went back to using drugs with unpredictable effects, and threatening others again on the train!
No, "the system" did not fail 30 year old Neely! Neely failed Neely. He broke his promise to the Court, and the people. MOO
How Two Men’s Disparate Paths Crossed in a Killing on the F Train (Published 2023)
Jordan Neely’s mental health decline played out in public after his mother was strangled. Daniel Penny said he was protecting himself and others when he choked Mr. Neely.
5/7/23
“Daniel never intended to harm Mr. Neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death.”
It was a Monday afternoon and a 30-year-old man was ranting on an F train headed through Manhattan. He was a regular on the subway, once a gifted Michael Jackson impersonator, but he was also troubled. City workers had tried to help him for years.
[..]
But Mr. Neely had others watching him, concerned for his safety.
He was well known for years to the social work teams that reach out to homeless people on the subways, and had hundreds of encounters with them, according to an employee of the Bowery Residents’ Committee, a nonprofit organization that does subway outreach for the city.
Mr. Neely was on what outreach workers refer to as the “Top 50” list — a roster maintained by the city of the homeless people living on the street whom officials consider most urgently in need of assistance and treatment. He was taken to hospitals numerous times, both voluntarily and involuntarily, said the employee, who spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss his history.
Mr. Neely racked up more than three dozen arrests. Many were of the sort that people living on the street often accrue while homeless, like turnstile-jumping or trespassing. But at least four were on charges of punching people, two of them in the subway system.
Outreach workers noted that Mr. Neely heavily used K2, the powerful, unpredictable synthetic marijuana.
In June 2019, an outreach worker noticed that Mr. Neely had lost considerable weight and was sleeping upright. Around that time, he was reported to have banged on a booth agent’s door and threatened to kill her, according to the worker’s notes. Then he was gone.
At some point, Mr. Neely became a client of an Intensive Mobile Treatment team — one of the squads of mental health clinicians who minister to people in streets and shelters. In March 2020, the team had Mr. Neely taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he was kept for a week, according to homeless-outreach records. It was not clear what contact the team had with him after that.
[..]
In November 2021, Mr. Neely’s aggression seemed to peak, when he punched a 67-year-old woman in the street on the Lower East Side, the police said. The woman suffered severe facial injuries, including a broken nose, according to court documents. He was charged with assault and, awaiting the resolution of his case, spent 15 months in jail, the police said, though his family said the stint was shorter.
He pleaded guilty on Feb. 9 of this year, in a carefully planned strategy between the city and his lawyers to allow him to get treatment and stay out of prison.
“Do you know what the goal is today?” the judge, Ellen M. Biben, asked at the hearing.
“Yes,” Mr. Neely replied.
“What is that goal?”
“To make it physically and mentally to the program.”
He was to go from court to live at a treatment facility in the Bronx, and stay clean for 15 months. In return, his felony conviction would be reduced. He promised to take his medication and to avoid drugs, and not to leave the facility without permission.
“This is a wonderful opportunity to turn things around, and we’re glad to give it to you,” Mary Weisgerber, a prosecutor, said.
“Thank you so much,” Mr. Neely replied.
But just 13 days later, he abandoned the facility. Judge Biben issued a warrant for his arrest.
Yes, he did.
That's the very sad part.
But surely its understood that the tragedy in that did not escape Jordan that he also did not want to be who he was when he was sick.
Even those on consistent meds and stable lives struggle with such severe mental illness.
all imo
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My faith in humanity is restored!
I'm sorry for JN -- the world failed him -- but Daniel Penny was always doing the right thing, and it looks as though the jury finally understood the science behind Dr. Chundru's testimony.
I'm sorry for JN -- the world failed him -- but Daniel Penny was always doing the right thing, and it looks as though the jury finally understood the science behind Dr. Chundru's testimony.
the mayor should award him the key to the city.
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I think the Mayor and NYC council should just figure out how to get more transit cops on the trains and platforms to keep people safe.
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From this story in the New Yorker, JN never had a supportive family after his mother was murdered. His dad had abandoned them before his mother died, and JN bounced from his grandmother and an aunt to foster care after that.
As an adult, though, JN saw his dad occasionally. The story mentions JN's dad trying to take JN's money he earned from street dancing, and that's when JN went homeless in a big way. That's what I meant by the world failing him, but I should have said his family failed him. He was given outside chances because, by all measures, he never should have logged 42 arrests. He was a ticking time bomb.
I don't know the answer for the homeless and the mentally ill, but I know the jury made the right decision today!
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Mayor Adams has been supportive of DP. Maybe that will happen.
Meanwhile, he may receive a Congressional Gold Medal.
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JMO, but they don't want to arrest JN's family as they are the ones who made some of the threats.
Neely's family yelled horrendous threats, calling Penny a 'racist c**t' and warning: 'It's a small world, buddy.'
They were escorted out of the courtroom.
Daniel Penny found NOT GUILTY after bombshell trial
The former Marine, 26, faced 15 years in prison for charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally-negligent homicide.
Also from another news article:
Walter 'Hawk' Newsome, who says he is Jordan Neely's uncle, threatened Penny inside the courtroom during the chaos which immediately followed the verdict.
He shouted 'it's a small
king world, buddy.' 
BLM leader calls for 'black vigilantes' as Daniel Penny is acquitted
Walter 'Hawk' Newsome, who says he is Jordan Neely's uncle, said now is the time for 'black vigilantes.' He earlier threatened Daniel Penny in the courtroom.
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That would be horrible if the case. If they made those threats, they should be charged with terroristic threatening and other incitement charges. I hope that authorities are reviewing this with a measure to charging for that deplorable conduct. And IIUC wasn’t it said that threats were made to the jurors, acquitted defendant, and others? Such reprehensible conduct and behavior. SMH. MOOJMO, but they don't want to arrest JN's family as they are the ones who made some of the threats.
Neely's family yelled horrendous threats, calling Penny a 'racist c**t' and warning: 'It's a small world, buddy.'
They were escorted out of the courtroom.
Daniel Penny found NOT GUILTY after bombshell trial
The former Marine, 26, faced 15 years in prison for charges of second-degree manslaughter and criminally-negligent homicide.www.dailymail.co.uk
Also from another news article:
Walter 'Hawk' Newsome, who says he is Jordan Neely's uncle, threatened Penny inside the courtroom during the chaos which immediately followed the verdict.
He shouted 'it's a small *advertiser censored*king world, buddy.'
BLM leader calls for 'black vigilantes' as Daniel Penny is acquitted
Walter 'Hawk' Newsome, who says he is Jordan Neely's uncle, said now is the time for 'black vigilantes.' He earlier threatened Daniel Penny in the courtroom.
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BLM calls for "Black vigilantes" after Daniel Penny verdict
A New York Black Lives Matter leader reacted to Daniel Penny being acquitted on Monday in the killing of Jordan Neely.
www.newsweek.com
It is worth noting that's for sure... I believe you could be right. I hope if he does he shows a tiny bit of remorse and compassion towards Jordan Neely and works to come up with a solution so that this never, ever happens again to anyone else.
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Sadly, this constitutes to devolve. Perhaps Mayor Adams of NYC will now speak publicly about the need for any calls for violence and other threats to cease. MOO
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You have your facts wrong. The case was against Penny, who was defending the straphangers who were in fear of the homeless guy. The case was not against the homeless guy. Facts matter, IMO.
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